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A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace
Excellent work Dennis. One of the best documented projects I have seen.
Charlie Conger
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OCTAL VALVE SOCKETS:
Dennis' comment re octal sockets still being made is of passing interest to me In the late 80's early 90's I designed and part pro typed a "modern" valve tester having a small footprint It used only two octal valve sockets (for valve matching purpose, think KT66/88's) and used old octal valve bases cut from defunct valves as adapters to B7G/B9G sockets epoxied into them 4, 5 pin and others were an extra option. (I wound up with a 44 gallon drum full of defunct octal and other valves at one stage, most sourced from old timer country farmers sheds ) A micro with a user keypad allowed type selection from EPROM's storage and then to EPROM control to programmable PSUs switchers which supplied HT and filament voltages plus g2 along with programmable current limits. Display of gm/u , emission etc by multi line LCD panel. The micro set up the valve connections by means of a matrix of miniature gold plated relays A RS232 port allowed an external PC to display valve curve characteristics as an option via sweeping the programmable grid bias supply and digitizing the valve data by 12bit ADC's into a serial format . The PC screen display software was being written in C, rather than VB Whats relevant here is that I wanted to get new octal sockets at the time and I could not get hold of a reliable quality supply of the same look and make I needed 200 to start with and couldn't source them! (in Western Australia) I had a few dozen NOS and used ones , but not enough of the same "looks" as looks were very important too. Chassis was two 6mm thick anodized Al girder sections milled and mated,with Al end plates, fold back top cover was blue acrylic with safety switch and led lighting dominated the interior....the main market was to be directed to the HIFI crazies (matching of KT66/88) but would be good for anyone wanting accurate data with a valve matching facility....software options were AF valve range as standard, RF and others optional extras ) An unfortunate accident when moving house, the lack of suitable octal socket supplies and the then international situation sort of killed it, but its interesting to note that octal sockets are still being made Do you think, then, that the thing could be re activated and sell in today's market? Eg for old tubed TEK scopes? John
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Bill (Doc) Courtright
John,
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I posted this link earlier but it got lost. Here is what looks like a current version of what you were building and it's stand alone. www.maximatcher.com/ Bill, KB3DKS
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From: face1941 face1941@westnet.com.au [TekScopes] <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> To: TekScopes <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 3:27 am Subject: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace OCTAL VALVE SOCKETS: Dennis' comment re octal sockets still being made is of passing interest to me In the late 80's early 90's I designed and part pro typed a "modern" valve tester having a small footprint It used only two octal valve sockets (for valve matching purpose, think KT66/88's) and used old octal valve bases cut from defunct valves as adapters to B7G/B9G sockets epoxied into them 4, 5 pin and others were an extra option. (I wound up with a 44 gallon drum full of defunct octal and other valves at one stage, most sourced from old timer country farmers sheds ) A micro with a user keypad allowed type selection from EPROM's storage and then to EPROM control to programmable PSUs switchers which supplied HT and filament voltages plus g2 along with programmable current limits. Display of gm/u , emission etc by multi line LCD panel. The micro set up the valve connections by means of a matrix of miniature gold plated relays A RS232 port allowed an external PC to display valve curve characteristics as an option via sweeping the programmable grid bias supply and digitizing the valve data by 12bit ADC's into a serial format . The PC screen display software was being written in C, rather than VB Whats relevant here is that I wanted to get new octal sockets at the time and I could not get hold of a reliable quality supply of the same look and make I needed 200 to start with and couldn't source them! (in Western Australia) I had a few dozen NOS and used ones , but not enough of the same "looks" as looks were very important too. Chassis was two 6mm thick anodized Al girder sections milled and mated,with Al end plates, fold back top cover was blue acrylic with safety switch and led lighting dominated the interior....the main market was to be directed to the HIFI crazies (matching of KT66/88) but would be good for anyone wanting accurate data with a valve matching facility....software options were AF valve range as standard, RF and others optional extras ) An unfortunate accident when moving house, the lack of suitable octal socket supplies and the then international situation sort of killed it, but its interesting to note that octal sockets are still being made Do you think, then, that the thing could be re activated and sell in today's market? Eg for old tubed TEK scopes? John
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Ed Breya
There are a lot more uses for octal sockets than just tubes - there are probably millions of them deployed in industrial controls to mount plug-in relays and various function modules that standardized on them long ago. You can get them in different forms too, such as ones that can be attached to a panel surface or even DIN rails, and have screw terminals for wiring the pins.
There is also a variation of the basic tube base/keying system with 11 pins, which allows a 3PDT relay to fit with all leads accessible, or for more complex control modules. Here are some pictures of various kinds, easily found: https://www.google.com/search?q=octal+socket+relay&lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjV6r-yz-XSAhXLJ5QKHXlUDhAQsAQIngE&biw=1103&bih=758 https://www.google.com/search?q=octal+socket+relay&lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjV6r-yz-XSAhXLJ5QKHXlUDhAQsAQIngE&biw=1103&bih=758 So, you can see, the old-school octal socket is alive and well, even if tubes are not so much. Ed
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YIKES! I had no idea there were so many non-tube uses for the octal socket
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for other than vacuum tubes. BTW What are impossible to find are plugs (the male counterpart) for all the tube sockets (the female counterpart) still widely in use. There may be hundreds of companies making a few styles of sockets (8 pin, 7 pin miniature, 9 pin miniature, 4 pin, 5 pin, compactron, nuvistor) but there are absolutely no companies making the corresponding plugs that go into the sockets. The only plugs you can find are octal. This is very frustrating and causing me problems. I had to make a plug from scratch with 9 pieces of 0.041" bus bar and a cylindrical form I placed the 9 pieces of bus bar in and then potted them. It was slow going and it is very crude. It definitely does not look professional. For octal plugs you can destroy a dead tube and salvage the octal tube plug. But that doesn't work for 7 pin miniature and 9 pin miniature tubes. The pins are encased in the glass of the tube body. Dennis Tillman W7PF
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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:46 AM Subject: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace There are a lot more uses for octal sockets than just tubes - there are probably millions of them deployed in industrial controls to mount plug-in relays and various function modules that standardized on them long ago. You can get them in different forms too, such as ones that can be attached to a panel surface or even DIN rails, and have screw terminals for wiring the pins. There is also a variation of the basic tube base/keying system with 11 pins, which allows a 3PDT relay to fit with all leads accessible, or for more complex control modules. Here are some pictures of various kinds, easily found: https://www.google.com/search?q=octal+socket+relay&lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all&tbm= isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjV6r-yz-XSAhXLJ5QKHXlUDhAQsAQIngE&biw =1103&bih=758 https://www.google.com/search?q=octal+socket+relay&lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all&tbm= isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjV6r-yz-XSAhXLJ5QKHXlUDhAQsAQIngE&biw =1103&bih=758 So, you can see, the old-school octal socket is alive and well, even if tubes are not so much. Ed ------------------------------------ Posted by: edbreya@yahoo.com ------------------------------------
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Ed Breya
I have seen a few 7 and 9 pin subminiature tube style phenolic or Bakelite plugs over the years, but not recently. I think octal won out as a base for lots of things because it's stout enough to hold larger modules like relays. There have been small parts that used the submini tube base though, like the classic Airpax 175 chopper, which goes in a 7-pin. I also have some small signal transformers packaged similarly - hermetically sealed in a can.
I think you can still get the same 7 and 9 pin glass-metal bases, but they are likely quite expensive compared to plastic plug assemblies. Here's an example series that may be close enough. http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html The key to finding these kinds of things is to use "vacuum," "hermetic," or "feedthrough." There are all sorts of connection systems in vacuum work. Even in this arena, octal has been quite successful, and is a common item. Ed
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Thanks for that link. When I get a chance I will look it over. One thing that would exclude them from consideration is cost. I suspect their products are extremely expensive because of their very advanced capabilities. Dennis Tillman W7PF
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace I have seen a few 7 and 9 pin subminiature tube style phenolic or Bakelite plugs over the years, but not recently. I think octal won out as a base for lots of things because it's stout enough to hold larger modules like relays. There have been small parts that used the submini tube base though, like the classic Airpax 175 chopper, which goes in a 7-pin. I also have some small signal transformers packaged similarly - hermetically sealed in a can. I think you can still get the same 7 and 9 pin glass-metal bases, but they are likely quite expensive compared to plastic plug assemblies. Here's an example series that may be close enough. http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html The key to finding these kinds of things is to use "vacuum," "hermetic," or "feedthrough." There are all sorts of connection systems in vacuum work. Even in this arena, octal has been quite successful, and is a common item. Ed ------------------------------------ Posted by: edbreya@yahoo.com ------------------------------------
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Ed Breya
Yes, be prepared for sticker shock. But these are only glass hermetic, made to solder mount versus braze, so maybe not too too bad if what you need is a standard part. The ultra-high vacuum/temperature rated ones use alumina rather than glass, and are way more expensive.
Ed
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Vector used to make 7 & 9 pin plugs. They also sold turret boards and aluminum covers to make plug in modules.
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I used to scrap failed 0Z3 rectifiers to build modules in.
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From: "edbreya@yahoo.com [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> Michael A. Terrell
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John Gord
Try a Google search for "7 pin socket saver". I got some hits. 9 pin socket savers seem to be more common. It looks like at least some of the socket savers could be disassembled.
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--John Gord ---In TekScopes@yahoogroups.com, <mike.terrell@...> wrote : Vector used to make 7 & 9 pin plugs. They also sold turret boards and aluminum covers to make plug in modules. I used to scrap failed 0Z3 rectifiers to build modules in.
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>From: "edbreya@... mailto:edbreya@... [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Mar 21, 2017 1:11 PM >To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace > >I have seen a few 7 and 9 pin subminiature tube style phenolic or Bakelite plugs over the years, but not recently. I think octal won out as a base for lots of things because it's stout enough to hold larger modules like relays. There have been small parts that used the submini tube base though, like the classic Airpax 175 chopper, which goes in a 7-pin. I also have some small signal transformers packaged similarly - hermetically sealed in a can. > >I think you can still get the same 7 and 9 pin glass-metal bases, but they are likely quite expensive compared to plastic plug assemblies. Here's an example series that may be close enough. > >http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html > >The key to finding these kinds of things is to use "vacuum," "hermetic," or "feedthrough." There are all sorts of connection systems in vacuum work. Even in this arena, octal has been quite successful, and is a common item. > >Ed > > > Michael A. Terrell
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Richard Solomon <dickw1ksz@...>
I have been looking for a 7 pin Socket
Saver for my Tube Tester, no joy yet. A Google search shows lots of hits, but none are really 7 pin Socket Savers. 73, Dick, w1KSZ On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:05 PM, johngord@verizon.net [TekScopes] < TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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I had a full set of socket savers in the early '70s, including the one to measure the cathode current in Horizontal output tubes. :)
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From: "johngord@verizon.net [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com>Michael A. Terrell
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John Gord
How about ebay 282369339062 ? --John Gord
---In TekScopes@yahoogroups.com, <dickw1ksz@...> wrote : I have been looking for a 7 pin Socket Saver for my Tube Tester, no joy yet. A Google search shows lots of hits, but none are really 7 pin Socket Savers. 73, Dick, w1KSZ On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:05 PM, johngord@... mailto:johngord@... [TekScopes] < TekScopes@yahoogroups.com mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Try a Google search for "7 pin socket saver". I got some hits. 9 pin > socket savers seem to be more common. It looks like at least some of the > socket savers could be disassembled. > --John Gord > > > ---In TekScopes@yahoogroups.com mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com, <mike.terrell@...> wrote : > > Vector used to make 7 & 9 pin plugs. They also sold tu
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Richard Solomon <dickw1ksz@...>
True Socket Savers have a small thru
hole screw to mount it to the socket on the Tube Tester. Not sure what these things are, but they are not Socket Savers as I was taught they should look like. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:00 PM, johngord@verizon.net [TekScopes] < TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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jim <ab7vf@...>
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On Tue, 3/21/17, edbreya@yahoo.com [TekScopes] <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 11:44 AM Yes, be prepared for sticker shock. But these are only glass hermetic, made to solder mount versus braze, so maybe not too too bad if what you need is a standard part. The ultra-high vacuum/temperature rated ones use alumina rather than glass, and are way more expensive. Ed.. I've got several both 7 and 9 pin headers .. the 7 pin are marked VECTOR .. 9 pin are unmarked Appear to very hard plastic or perhaps baklite Jim
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On Tue, 3/21/17, johngord@verizon.net [TekScopes] <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 5:05 PM Try a Google search for "7 pin socket saver". I got some hits. 9 pin socket savers seem to be more common. It looks like at least some of the socket savers could be disassembled. --John Go Pomona # 1347 7- pin (Pomona Electronics, Calif) GC Electronics Cat.No. 1948 9 pin Both have a long central screw and will come apart Jim
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Hi John,
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Thanks for the suggestion. I know I kept coming across octal socket savers all the time but I never saw a 7 pin or 9 pin socket saver. I will give that a try. Dennis Tillman W7PF
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace Try a Google search for "7 pin socket saver". I got some hits. 9 pin socket savers seem to be more common. It looks like at least some of the socket savers could be disassembled. --John Gord ---In TekScopes@yahoogroups.com, <mike.terrell@...> wrote : Vector used to make 7 & 9 pin plugs. They also sold turret boards and aluminum covers to make plug in modules. I used to scrap failed 0Z3 rectifiers to build modules in. -----Original Message----- >From: "edbreya@... mailto:edbreya@... [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Mar 21, 2017 1:11 PM >To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace > >I have seen a few 7 and 9 pin subminiature tube style phenolic or Bakelite plugs over the years, but not recently. I think octal won out as a base for lots of things because it's stout enough to hold larger modules like relays. There have been small parts that used the submini tube base though, like the classic Airpax 175 chopper, which goes in a 7-pin. I also have some small signal transformers packaged similarly - hermetically sealed in a can. > >I think you can still get the same 7 and 9 pin glass-metal bases, but they are likely quite expensive compared to plastic plug assemblies. Here's an example series that may be close enough. > >http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html http://www.detoronics.com/multi-terminal-headers.html > >The key to finding these kinds of things is to use "vacuum," "hermetic," or "feedthrough." There are all sorts of connection systems in vacuum work. Even in this arena, octal has been quite successful, and is a common item. > >Ed > Michael A. Terrell ------------------------------------ Posted by: johngord@verizon.net ------------------------------------
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Bill (Doc) Courtright
Dennis and all,
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Has everyone been overlooking the best source for tubes and related hardware? https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/tube_accessories Bill KB3DKS
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From: 'Dennis Tillman' dennis@ridesoft.com [TekScopes] <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> To: TekScopes <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 22, 2017 10:06 am Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace Hi John, Thanks for the suggestion. I know I kept coming across octal socket savers all the time but I never saw a 7 pin or 9 pin socket saver. I will give that a try. Dennis Tillman W7PF -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace Try a Google search for "7 pin socket saver". I got some hits. 9 pin socket savers seem to be more common. It looks like at least some of the socket savers could be disassembled. --John Gord
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Hi Bill,
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In my case I needed tube PLUGS that would plug into a tube SOCKET. That is my problem. I am well aware of Tubesandmore. They certainly have a nice selection of 4 pin, 5 pin, 7 pin, 8 pin , and 9 pin tube SOCKETS. Unfortunately other than 8 pin tube PLUGS they, or anyone else for that matter, do not sell 7 pin miniature tube PLUGS or 9 pin miniature PLUGS. Since 7 pin miniature tubes and 9 pin miniature tubes have their pins coming right out of the glass envelope this will make it very hard to get what I need by smashing spent tubes to try and get an intact set of pins around the base of the tube. As John Gord pointed out one way to find some of these is by searching for socket savers. They, too, are scarce these days. Not many people are designing things with tubes. There was a 9 pin and a 7 pin socket saver auction on Ebay and I bid $28 for them but someone outbid me. I have no way to know how high that person's ultimate bid might have been. Dennis Tillman, W7PF
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Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace Dennis and all, Has everyone been overlooking the best source for tubes and related hardware? https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/tube_accessories Bill KB3DKS -----Original Message----- From: 'Dennis Tillman' dennis@ridesoft.com [TekScopes] <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Mar 22, 2017 10:06 am Hi John, Thanks for the suggestion. I know I kept coming across octal socket savers all the time but I never saw a 7 pin or 9 pin socket saver. I will give that a try. Dennis Tillman W7PF -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace Try a Google search for "7 pin socket saver". I got some hits. 9 pin socket savers seem to be more common. It looks like at least some of the socket savers could be disassembled. --John Gord ------------------------------------ Posted by: Doxemf <doxemf@aol.com> ------------------------------------
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Bill (Doc) Courtright
Dennis,
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They have the 9 pin Socket Savers. I did not see any 7 pin. Quite awhile ago there were some cheap car stereo players, maybe eve 8 tracks, I forget, I serviced them once. Anyway, they used a 9 pin male/female connector. I think that the old Calrad or similar brand offered the cable sets. Fair Radio used to have some as well. Someone with a 3D printer could probably spit a bunch out that way. Just have to provide the pins. Bill, KB3DKS
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From: 'Dennis Tillman' dennis@ridesoft.com [TekScopes] <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> To: TekScopes <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Mar 26, 2017 10:46 pm Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace Hi Bill, In my case I needed tube PLUGS that would plug into a tube SOCKET. That is my problem. I am well aware of Tubesandmore. They certainly have a nice selection of 4 pin, 5 pin, 7 pin, 8 pin , and 9 pin tube SOCKETS. Unfortunately other than 8 pin tube PLUGS they, or anyone else for that matter, do not sell 7 pin miniature tube PLUGS or 9 pin miniature PLUGS. Since 7 pin miniature tubes and 9 pin miniature tubes have their pins coming right out of the glass envelope this will make it very hard to get what I need by smashing spent tubes to try and get an intact set of pins around the base of the tube. As John Gord pointed out one way to find some of these is by searching for socket savers. They, too, are scarce these days. Not many people are designing things with tubes. There was a 9 pin and a 7 pin socket saver auction on Ebay and I bid $28 for them but someone outbid me. I have no way to know how high that person's ultimate bid might have been. Dennis Tillman, W7PF -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Re: A Vacuum Tube Curve Tracer for all Tek Semiconductor Curve Trace Dennis and all, Has everyone been overlooking the best source for tubes and related hardware? https://www.tubesandmore.com/products/tube_accessories Bill KB3DKS
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