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Ebay Rip-off ? - "Global Shipping Program"

petertech99h
 

Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get a second billing usually marked  "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of "Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete


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Peter Gottlieb
 

Not sure of your question.

The way this program works is that the seller ships the item to the program's address in the US, billing you for the item and that shipping. Then the program ships the item to the overseas buyer and bills the buyer for that shipment. Thus there are two distinct shipping charges, as the package makes two hops.

I can't say if their rates are reasonable or not, having never paid them.

Peter

On 2/6/2016 1:10 AM, Peter Hildebrandt petertech99h@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get a second billing usually marked "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of "Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete


Brian <brianclarke01@...>
 

Rip-off? You betcha!
Reasonable rates? Perhaps for Pitney Bowes.
This is a producer-oriented, monopolistic system. It is a vertical integration between eBay and Pitney Bowes. Its main beneficiaries are the US seller – no admin involvement with US or other countries’ government authorities – and Pitney Bowes.
Its main victims are buyers overseas from US.
I now find that US vendors are completely unwilling to seek alternate modes of shipping. Under such circumstances, I have now switched off buying from such US vendors, or I get stuff sent to a friend who will find a cheaper shipping method.
It is also possible this system hurts US vendors because overseas buyers are unwilling to be screwed. This is just another nail in the coffin – the first one was all shipping from the US became Air Mail only; great if you run an airline or sell aircraft, or if, as a buyer, you absolutely must have instantaneous gratification – in psych terms, an immature child.
73 de Brian, VK2GCE.

On Saturday, February 06, 2016 5:17 PM, Peter G said:

The way this program works is that the seller ships the item to the program's
address in the US, billing you for the item and that shipping. Then the program
ships the item to the overseas buyer and bills the buyer for that shipment.
Thus there are two distinct shipping charges, as the package makes two hops.

I can't say if their rates are reasonable or not, having never paid them.

Peter

On 2/6/2016 1:10 AM, Peter Hildebrandt petertech99h@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get
a second billing usually marked "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping
to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of
"Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete
Not sure of your question.

The way this program works is that the seller ships the item to the program's
address in the US, billing you for the item and that shipping. Then the program
ships the item to the overseas buyer and bills the buyer for that shipment.
Thus there are two distinct shipping charges, as the package makes two hops.

I can't say if their rates are reasonable or not, having never paid them.

Peter

On 2/6/2016 1:10 AM, Peter Hildebrandt petertech99h@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get
a second billing usually marked "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping
to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of
"Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete

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stefan_trethan
 

The rates are high, but not exorbitant.
It seems they are calculated on something the seller specifies
(weight?) and can vary quite a lot for the same item.

However one thing that is not within reason is that they pay the
import duty and VAT in Ireland, or some such place, where all their
shipments to the EU come through.

This is flat out illegal to do for you as a commercial buyer. You have
to pay the import duty and VAT to the country you import into. Its
iffy for consumers as well, some have been asked to pay double.

Apart from the legal problem as a commercial user you do not pay VAT,
or you can claim it back. However with the GSP you never receive any
bill or statement about the import duty and VAT and you can not claim
it. There is no proof whatsoever in your hands that any duty or tax
was ever paid.

Their solution: TOS now specifically forbid commercial buyers to use the GSP.

It's a total mess and I wish it did not exist.
All it achieves is further discourage sellers to offer reasonable
international shipping.

ST

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Peter Gottlieb hpnpilot@...
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:
Not sure of your question.

The way this program works is that the seller ships the item to the program's
address in the US, billing you for the item and that shipping. Then the program
ships the item to the overseas buyer and bills the buyer for that shipment.
Thus there are two distinct shipping charges, as the package makes two hops.

I can't say if their rates are reasonable or not, having never paid them.

Peter

Colin Herbert
 

As a UK resident, apart from the (sometimes) rather high postal rates, it is quite convenient to have import charges paid without me having to do very much. The British Royal Mail levy a “handling fee” to pay Customs Charges on imported items. One gets a card from Royal Mail stating that you have an imported item which needs a Customs Charge to be paid before they will deliver it. The “handling fee” of £8 is put on top of this. Sometimes, this £8 is actually more than the Customs Charge. The GPS avoids all of this, but I suppose we pay through the nose, either way.

What is rather iniquitous, though, is that eBay trust Pitney-Bowes implicitly and not the purchaser. A while ago, I bought a 7B92A time-base plug-in from a US vendor and it was dispatched using GPS. It never arrived, but a parcel addressed to me did arrive. This parcel contained a watch, not a 7B92A. The vendor quite rightly said that they were sorry for the mix-up, but once the parcel had been delivered to the Dispatch Centre in the US, it was out of their hands. When I contacted eBay and asked for a re-imbursement or the correct item to be delivered, they refused and accused me of dishonesty and idiocy. I even sent them photographs of the packaging, labels and the contents. They were still adamant that I had received the correct item because it had been tracked by Pitney-Bowes. It was fairly obvious the there was no way that either eBay or Pitney-Bowes were going to be held responsible for incompetence.

Somewhere there is someone who has a (possibly faulty) 7B92A instead of a rather blingy watch!

Colin.



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To: TekScopes@...
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Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get a second billing usually marked "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of "Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete

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tek_547
 

I never had experience with this firm, the only thing I know is that the shipping cost to outside the mainland of the USA are much much higher that normal in compare of the rest of the world.
For instance when I let a 7000 scope shipped to the rest of the world by DHL they set you back for about 50 dollar. If I compare this with the extraordinairy shipping cost of several 100 dollars there is something wrong. One time I heard that the postal firms in the States have price fixings with each other to make (much) more profit tham normal.

grtz, René

petertech99h
 

Hi Peter G.
My concern was that in the listings there's no full disclosure of the cost that would  be charged.  Ebay and Pitney Bowes could easily figure that out and post it int he listing when you hit the shipping calculator, etc, unless they don't want you to know!

The fact that my feedbacks disappeared is very fishy - luckily I screen grab everything that does not come back as a email or file so i have a copy of it.
Thanks!
Pete

On Saturday, February 6, 2016 1:17 AM, "Peter Gottlieb hpnpilot@... [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...> wrote:


  Not sure of your question.

The way this program works is that the seller ships the item to the program's
address in the US, billing you for the item and that shipping. Then the program
ships the item to the overseas buyer and bills the buyer for that shipment.
Thus there are two distinct shipping charges, as the package makes two hops.

I can't say if their rates are reasonable or not, having never paid them.

Peter

On 2/6/2016 1:10 AM, Peter Hildebrandt petertech99h@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get
a second billing usually marked "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping
to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of
"Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Peter Gottlieb
 

Pitney Bowes wouldn't be doing this unless there was a very healthy margin. And that's on top of the steep US overseas shipping rates plus another shipping hop. Their practices are designed to maximize their profit and not minimize user cost. Fully disclosing their prices could dampen sales and lead to reduced profits. This is not sustainable, of course. Over time buyers learn to identify sales using that shipping method and adapt their buying to reflect the hidden costs. This has a frictional effect on the market (like a tax) and would tend to push the "profits" for the buyer and seller down while building up those of ebay and their shipping arrangers.

On 2/6/2016 10:42 PM, Peter Hildebrandt petertech99h@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Hi Peter G.
My concern was that in the listings there's no full disclosure of the cost that would be charged. Ebay and Pitney Bowes could easily figure that out and post it int he listing when you hit the shipping calculator, etc, unless they don't want you to know!

The fact that my feedbacks disappeared is very fishy - luckily I screen grab everything that does not come back as a email or file so i have a copy of it.
Thanks!
Pete


On Saturday, February 6, 2016 1:17 AM, "Peter Gottlieb hpnpilot@... [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...> wrote:


Not sure of your question.

The way this program works is that the seller ships the item to the program's
address in the US, billing you for the item and that shipping. Then the program
ships the item to the overseas buyer and bills the buyer for that shipment.
Thus there are two distinct shipping charges, as the package makes two hops.

I can't say if their rates are reasonable or not, having never paid them.

Peter

On 2/6/2016 1:10 AM, Peter Hildebrandt petertech99h@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get
a second billing usually marked "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping
to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of
"Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete


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I always email the seller, and advise him that I am willing to bid, only on condition that the item is sent by Regular Post, and NOT via the Ebay GSP.

Of course, there always follows a "Why?", and then the explanations.


About 50% of the time, the seller agrees, and the deal is done. The other 50%, I just pass - there will always be other opportunities.


The fact is that Pitney Bowes charges a premium of 15% over the regular Postal charge for the privilege of touching the item.
Many times, the item is repackaged to get rid of the "excessive" protective packaging, to save weight, therefore negating the seller's efforts to ensure safe arrival, and the package is more likely to arrive damaged.


I don't know about price-fixing, but USPS's outrageous charges are due entirely to their enormous Pension Fund deficits which must be covered (piss-poor management). This was covered extensively on the web about a year ago. The other carriers (who don't have that overhead) just follow in line.


Menahem Yachad
CondorAudio
Israel

tek_547
 

Interesting info Menahem, thanx for that and good to know...
and btw, I saw a while ago a very informative explanation about recapping a Tek 2465b,
compliments for that !
grtz, René

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Torch Fireman
 

I usually have things sent to my buddy in the US, however, on those odd times when I did not want to wait and have bought something shipped via global shipping, all charges (shipping, brokerage and taxes; to Canada) were listed up front.

On 06/02/2016 10:42 PM, Peter Hildebrandt petertech99h@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Hi Peter G.
My concern was that in the listings there's no full disclosure of the cost that would be charged. Ebay and Pitney Bowes could easily figure that out and post it int he listing when you hit the shipping calculator, etc, unless they don't want you to know!

The fact that my feedbacks disappeared is very fishy - luckily I screen grab everything that does not come back as a email or file so i have a copy of it.
Thanks!
Pete

Torch Fireman
 

On 07/02/2016 12:16 AM, @yachadm [TekScopes] wrote:


I don't know about price-fixing, but USPS's outrageous charges
USPS: outrageous charges???

I wish Canada Post's tarrif was equally outrageous.

honolulusnowwhite
 

As an occasional US seller on eBay, I would not bother to open up sales to potential customers outside the US unless the eBay - Pitney Bowes service existed. It is too much trouble from the seller's perspective to figure out the shipping/customs issues, deal with the occasional lost item, etc. I am very happy with the concept that I am responsible only to get the item safely to the US address where the repackaging occurs.

I've sold three items to international customers: a Tek scope plug-in to an Italian customer, an HP signal generator to a Canadian customer, and a Heath amateur radio transceiver to a South Korean customer. Fortunately all three transactions went well.


Certainly, any international eBay customer should be made fully aware of all relevant transaction costs before s/he commits to the purchase.
73,


Patrick Wong AK6C

---In TekScopes@..., <petertech99h@...> wrote :

Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get a second billing usually marked "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of "Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete

Sergey Kubushyn
 

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016, patwong3@... [TekScopes] wrote:

I'm an occasional US seller on Ebay (and not on Ebay only) myself and I
don't hesitate to sell to customers outside US. As a matter of fact vast
majority of my customers are outside US except for exceptionally big or
bulky items that are too expensive to ship.

I don't understand what trouble are you talking about. It _MIGHT_ be
troublesome in other countries but here in the US it is so easy that there
is almost no difference between shipping domestically or internationally.
Customs -- what customs? What issues a US seller has with the customs?
Unlike other countries it is absolutely transparent here like it doesn't
exist at all. We do _NOT_ deal with customs at all when receiving a parcel
from abroad -- there are no customs dues, taxes, VAT, whatever and
absolutely no forms to fill -- it is simply delivered to your door and
that's it. I only had to fill a form once when got my very first $10K
shipment from Australia and that was a single page application for Importer
ID Number. Then you simply tell the shipper to put that number on their
customs declaration for high price items and you are not asked any questions
at all.

The same is true for outgoing shipments. Unless you are shipping something
exceptionally big or expensive you only fill 1 page declaration telling what
you are shipping, check the "Less than $2500 worth" exception box, print
your forms right off of USPS account shipping page and you are done. There
is no even need to bring that box to the post office -- you schedule a
pickup from that same USPS account page and leave the box on your porch.

That entire Pitney Bowes thing is totally absurd, as stupid as that
SmartPost or whatever they call it when you give your package to FedEx and
they deliver it to the customer's _US Post Office_ which makes actual
delivery...

Sure things are different for a big business shipping hundreds of packages
every day -- you need a commercial license and additional paperwork -- but
for an occasional shipment it makes almost no difference whether you ship
domestically or internationally.

As an occasional US seller on eBay, I would not bother to open up sales to
potential customers outside the US unless the eBay - Pitney Bowes service
existed. It is too much trouble from the seller's perspective to figure
out the shipping/customs issues, deal with the occasional lost item, etc. I am very happy with the concept that I am responsible only to get the
item safely to the US address where the repackaging occurs.

I've sold three items to international customers: a Tek scope plug-in to
an Italian customer, an HP signal generator to a Canadian customer, and a
Heath amateur radio transceiver to a South Korean customer. Fortunately
all three transactions went well.


Certainly, any international eBay customer should be made fully aware of
all relevant transaction costs before s/he commits to the purchase.
73,


Patrick Wong AK6C

---In TekScopes@..., <petertech99h@...> wrote :

Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get a second billing usually marked "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of "Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete
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honolulusnowwhite
 

Hi Colin,

I would have expected that the recipient of the 7B92A, expecting a blingy watch instead, also would have complained to eBay. I'm wondering whether eBay would then be smart enough to match the two complaints to recognize your concern was honest and accurately stated?


Patrick Wong AK6C

---In TekScopes@..., <colingherbert@...> wrote :

...
What is rather iniquitous, though, is that eBay trust Pitney-Bowes implicitly and not the purchaser. A while ago, I bought a 7B92A time-base plug-in from a US vendor and it was dispatched using GPS. It never arrived, but a parcel addressed to me did arrive. This parcel contained a watch, not a 7B92A. The vendor quite rightly said that they were sorry for the mix-up, but once the parcel had been delivered to the Dispatch Centre in the US, it was out of their hands. When I contacted eBay and asked for a re-imbursement or the correct item to be delivered, they refused and accused me of dishonesty and idiocy. I even sent them photographs of the packaging, labels and the contents. They were still adamant that I had received the correct item because it had been tracked by Pitney-Bowes. It was fairly obvious the there was no way that either eBay or Pitney-Bowes were going to be held responsible for incompetence.

Somewhere there is someone who has a (possibly faulty) 7B92A instead of a rather blingy watch!

Colin.

John Griessen
 

On 02/07/2016 06:45 PM, Sergey Kubushyn @KSI [TekScopes] wrote:
here in the US it is so easy that there
is almost no difference between shipping domestically or internationally.
Customs -- what customs?
Same experience here. Global shipping "tax" is just stopping buyers from choosing your item.

Peter Gottlieb
 

Many times I've received the wrong item and not once did I ever end up receiving the correct one. Not ever. Ebay's rules have improved a bit, so lately when that's happened I got a full refund, but previously I've had to ship the wrong item back (at my expense) and even then didn't always get refunded. I don't know about now, but back then if a seller "left the system" ebay would tell you there's nothing they could do and you lost the money.

On 2/7/2016 8:24 PM, patwong3@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Hi Colin,

I would have expected that the recipient of the 7B92A, expecting a blingy watch instead, also would have complained to eBay. I'm wondering whether eBay would then be smart enough to match the two complaints to recognize your concern was honest and accurately stated?


Patrick Wong AK6C

---In TekScopes@..., <colingherbert@...> wrote :

...
What is rather iniquitous, though, is that eBay trust Pitney-Bowes implicitly and not the purchaser. A while ago, I bought a 7B92A time-base plug-in from a US vendor and it was dispatched using GPS. It never arrived, but a parcel addressed to me did arrive. This parcel contained a watch, not a 7B92A. The vendor quite rightly said that they were sorry for the mix-up, but once the parcel had been delivered to the Dispatch Centre in the US, it was out of their hands. When I contacted eBay and asked for a re-imbursement or the correct item to be delivered, they refused and accused me of dishonesty and idiocy. I even sent them photographs of the packaging, labels and the contents. They were still adamant that I had received the correct item because it had been tracked by Pitney-Bowes. It was fairly obvious the there was no way that either eBay or Pitney-Bowes were going to be held responsible for incompetence.

Somewhere there is someone who has a (possibly faulty) 7B92A instead of a rather blingy watch!

Colin.






 

Hi,


I have a potential customer in Portugal who does not want to use GPS as he can get a customs refund if it is shipped directly to him. I gave him a USPS cost but he says he cannot buy as my item is GPS. Looking at my listing I do not see a way to avoid GPS. Is there a magic trick to solve this? How did some label get on my item? I would love to see this guy get to buy but I do not understand all this custom crap and with zero profit I don't need the grief.


Jerry Massengale

-----Original Message-----
From: Sergey Kubushyn @KSI [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...>
To: patwong3@... [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...>
Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2016 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Re: Ebay Rip-off ? - "Global Shipping Program"






On Sun, 7 Feb 2016, patwong3@... [TekScopes] wrote:

I'm an occasional US seller on Ebay (and not on Ebay only) myself and I
don't hesitate to sell to customers outside US. As a matter of fact vast
majority of my customers are outside US except for exceptionally big or
bulky items that are too expensive to ship.

I don't understand what trouble are you talking about. It _MIGHT_ be
troublesome in other countries but here in the US it is so easy that there
is almost no difference between shipping domestically or internationally.
Customs -- what customs? What issues a US seller has with the customs?
Unlike other countries it is absolutely transparent here like it doesn't
exist at all. We do _NOT_ deal with customs at all when receiving a parcel
from abroad -- there are no customs dues, taxes, VAT, whatever and
absolutely no forms to fill -- it is simply delivered to your door and
that's it. I only had to fill a form once when got my very first $10K
shipment from Australia and that was a single page application for Importer
ID Number. Then you simply tell the shipper to put that number on their
customs declaration for high price items and you are not asked any questions
at all.

The same is true for outgoing shipments. Unless you are shipping something
exceptionally big or expensive you only fill 1 page declaration telling what
you are shipping, check the "Less than $2500 worth" exception box, print
your forms right off of USPS account shipping page and you are done. There
is no even need to bring that box to the post office -- you schedule a
pickup from that same USPS account page and leave the box on your porch.

That entire Pitney Bowes thing is totally absurd, as stupid as that
SmartPost or whatever they call it when you give your package to FedEx and
they deliver it to the customer's _US Post Office_ which makes actual
delivery...

Sure things are different for a big business shipping hundreds of packages
every day -- you need a commercial license and additional paperwork -- but
for an occasional shipment it makes almost no difference whether you ship
domestically or internationally.

As an occasional US seller on eBay, I would not bother to open up sales to
potential customers outside the US unless the eBay - Pitney Bowes service
existed. It is too much trouble from the seller's perspective to figure
out the shipping/customs issues, deal with the occasional lost item, etc.
I am very happy with the concept that I am responsible only to get the
item safely to the US address where the repackaging occurs.

I've sold three items to international customers: a Tek scope plug-in to
an Italian customer, an HP signal generator to a Canadian customer, and a
Heath amateur radio transceiver to a South Korean customer. Fortunately
all three transactions went well.


Certainly, any international eBay customer should be made fully aware of
all relevant transaction costs before s/he commits to the purchase.
73,


Patrick Wong AK6C

---In TekScopes@..., <petertech99h@...> wrote :

Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get a second billing usually marked "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of "Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete
---
******************************************************************
* KSI@home KOI8 Net < > The impossible we do immediately. *
* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************

Sergey Kubushyn
 

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016, jerry massengale @jmassen418 [TekScopes] wrote:

Ah, it is a part of their extortion program :) There is a checkbox for GPS
when you are making your listing _BUT_ it gets disabled once your item had a
bid on it or XXX other weird reasons. I usually talk with my customers
directly and let them know I would ship it USPS Priority and give them a
price if I accidentally checked that. Then I just send 'em an invoice.

As for the label (if it is GPS label) I don't know; never used it and not
going to. Ebay would probably require to use their service to create such
label which will fail to work with anything but Windoze as usual and they
will probably charge yet another fee for such a great service.

If it is about USPS -- it is easy. You need an account with them that is a
good thing to do anyways. You create a shipping label from your account be
it domestic or international. It is a very simple form -- you fill in the
shipping address, give them you credit card when done with all shipping
labels, and they output the labels in PDF ready to print. You can save those
or just send 'em straight to your printer. When you're done with that they
give you an option to schedule a pickup which is free if done next day
during regular mail delivery time. You don't have to be present -- just
leave the package[s] at your front door and your mailman will pick 'em up.

For international shipping you also have to enter goods descriptions with
their values. It does not have to be very specific or matched to any
particular registered numbers or codes, just put whatever you think
appropriate there. Then you just check a box for export exception and choose
one from a drop-down list. It is almost always "Less than $2500 worth" one.
It won't apply if you are sending something more expensive but you would
probably face other issues if you are.

Everything else is the same with only difference that resulting PDF will be
not a regular USPS label but a set of 2 pages of customs forms. You cut
them on dotted lines, take one piece that is your copy for your records,
put the rest into USPS provided clear adhesive-backed envelope (get some at
your post office to have a supply) and stick it to your package. Everything
else, including pickup, is the same as for domestic shipment.

Hi,


I have a potential customer in Portugal who does not want to use GPS as he
can get a customs refund if it is shipped directly to him. I gave him a
USPS cost but he says he cannot buy as my item is GPS. Looking at my
listing I do not see a way to avoid GPS. Is there a magic trick to solve
this? How did some label get on my item? I would love to see this guy
get to buy but I do not understand all this custom crap and with zero
profit I don't need the grief.


Jerry Massengale


-----Original Message-----
From: Sergey Kubushyn @KSI [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...>
To: patwong3@... [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...>
Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2016 6:45 pm
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Re: Ebay Rip-off ? - "Global Shipping Program"

On Sun, 7 Feb 2016, patwong3@... [TekScopes] wrote:

I'm an occasional US seller on Ebay (and not on Ebay only) myself and I
don't hesitate to sell to customers outside US. As a matter of fact vast
majority of my customers are outside US except for exceptionally big or
bulky items that are too expensive to ship.

I don't understand what trouble are you talking about. It _MIGHT_ be
troublesome in other countries but here in the US it is so easy that there
is almost no difference between shipping domestically or internationally.
Customs -- what customs? What issues a US seller has with the customs?
Unlike other countries it is absolutely transparent here like it doesn't
exist at all. We do _NOT_ deal with customs at all when receiving a parcel
from abroad -- there are no customs dues, taxes, VAT, whatever and
absolutely no forms to fill -- it is simply delivered to your door and
that's it. I only had to fill a form once when got my very first $10K
shipment from Australia and that was a single page application for Importer
ID Number. Then you simply tell the shipper to put that number on their
customs declaration for high price items and you are not asked any questions
at all.

The same is true for outgoing shipments. Unless you are shipping something
exceptionally big or expensive you only fill 1 page declaration telling what
you are shipping, check the "Less than $2500 worth" exception box, print
your forms right off of USPS account shipping page and you are done. There
is no even need to bring that box to the post office -- you schedule a
pickup from that same USPS account page and leave the box on your porch.

That entire Pitney Bowes thing is totally absurd, as stupid as that
SmartPost or whatever they call it when you give your package to FedEx and
they deliver it to the customer's _US Post Office_ which makes actual
delivery...

Sure things are different for a big business shipping hundreds of packages
every day -- you need a commercial license and additional paperwork -- but
for an occasional shipment it makes almost no difference whether you ship
domestically or internationally.

As an occasional US seller on eBay, I would not bother to open up sales to
potential customers outside the US unless the eBay - Pitney Bowes service
existed. It is too much trouble from the seller's perspective to figure
out the shipping/customs issues, deal with the occasional lost item, etc.
I am very happy with the concept that I am responsible only to get the
item safely to the US address where the repackaging occurs.

I've sold three items to international customers: a Tek scope plug-in to
an Italian customer, an HP signal generator to a Canadian customer, and a
Heath amateur radio transceiver to a South Korean customer. Fortunately
all three transactions went well.


Certainly, any international eBay customer should be made fully aware of
all relevant transaction costs before s/he commits to the purchase.
73,


Patrick Wong AK6C

---In TekScopes@..., <petertech99h@...> wrote :

Hi all,
Anyone have Ebay / Paypal extra billing where you order something and you get a second billing usually marked "Pitneybowes" after you already paid shipping to the seller?
I left some feedback on this problem and a few days later any mention of "Global Shipping Program" disappeared off the feedbacks!

any thoughts?
Pete
---
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* Las Vegas NV, USA < > Miracles require 24-hour notice. *
******************************************************************

David DiGiacomo
 

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Sergey Kubushyn <@KSI> wrote:
If it is about USPS -- it is easy. You need an account with them that is a
good thing to do anyways. You create a shipping label from your account be
it domestic or international. It is a very simple form -- you fill in the
shipping address, give them you credit card when done with all shipping
labels, and they output the labels in PDF ready to print. You can save those
or just send 'em straight to your printer. When you're done with that they
give you an option to schedule a pickup which is free if done next day
during regular mail delivery time. You don't have to be present -- just
leave the package[s] at your front door and your mailman will pick 'em up.
Note, you no longer get any discount when you buy postage from USPS
(Click-n-Ship). It's better to use PayPal shipping.