7854 ROM, again ..


testtech@...
 

OK, so I have an early (B01xxx) 7854 with at least one bad MOSTEK chip. My scope has the separate ROM board with four MOSTEK chips, the FPLA and two 2716's.
I have read the posts here, and on Tekscopes2, but am not clear on what the fix is. The ROM images I have located seem to be either newer, or cannot just be burned into the MCM68766 EPROM. I can burn these, and read the MOSTEK chips. And have repaired Fluke and HP instruments with bad ROM in this way.
Does any one have the ROM images, read directly from the MOSTEK chips? The p/n's are:
160-0408-00, 160-0409-00, 160-0410-00, 160-0411-00
Or, does anyone know other step are required to use the available images? I have read about pulling the FPGA and jumpering, in conjunction with some other ROM?
Any help appreciated!


 

You need to split them in two if you are talking about the Pentti Hakka versions.

Here's some ROM images that friend of mine took which may work for you

HtH
Dave

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Subject: [TekScopes] 7854 ROM, again ..




OK, so I have an early (B01xxx) 7854 with at least one bad MOSTEK chip. My scope has the separate ROM board with four MOSTEK chips, the FPLA and two 2716's.
I have read the posts here, and on Tekscopes2, but am not clear on what the fix is. The ROM images I have located seem to be either newer, or cannot just be burned into the MCM68766 EPROM. I can burn these, and read the MOSTEK chips. And have repaired Fluke and HP instruments with bad ROM in this way.
Does any one have the ROM images, read directly from the MOSTEK chips? The p/n's are:
160-0408-00, 160-0409-00, 160-0410-00, 160-0411-00
Or, does anyone know other step are required to use the available images? I have read about pulling the FPGA and jumpering, in conjunction with some other ROM?
Any help appreciated!


Bob Koller <testtech@...>
 

Thanks David! I appreciate it. One of the images, U210 is bad, there is no data...



On Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:52 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:
 
You need to split them in two if you are talking about the Pentti Hakka versions.

Here's some ROM images that friend of mine took which may work for you

HtH
Dave

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From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of testtech@...
Sent: 27 March 2014 18:14
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] 7854 ROM, again ..

OK, so I have an early (B01xxx) 7854 with at least one bad MOSTEK chip. My scope has the separate ROM board with four MOSTEK chips, the FPLA and two 2716's.
I have read the posts here, and on Tekscopes2, but am not clear on what the fix is. The ROM images I have located seem to be either newer, or cannot just be burned into the MCM68766 EPROM. I can burn these, and read the MOSTEK chips. And have repaired Fluke and HP instruments with bad ROM in this way.
Does any one have the ROM images, read directly from the MOSTEK chips? The p/n's are:
160-0408-00, 160-0409-00, 160-0410-00, 160-0411-00
Or, does anyone know other step are required to use the available images? I have read about pulling the FPGA and jumpering, in conjunction with some other ROM?
Any help appreciated!




 

Actually I *think* that is one of the patch ROMs, in which case that is possible - is it binary zeros or all FFx?

Regards,
David Partridge


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From: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Koller
Sent: 27 March 2014 19:46
To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7854 ROM, again ..




Thanks David! I appreciate it. One of the images, U210 is bad, there is no data...





On Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:52 AM, David C. Partridge <david.partridge@perdrix.co.uk> wrote:


You need to split them in two if you are talking about the Pentti Hakka versions.

Here's some ROM images that friend of mine took which may work for you

HtH
Dave

________________________________

From: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of testtech@yahoo.com
Sent: 27 March 2014 18:14
To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TekScopes] 7854 ROM, again ..

OK, so I have an early (B01xxx) 7854 with at least one bad MOSTEK chip. My scope has the separate ROM board with four MOSTEK chips, the FPLA and two 2716's.
I have read the posts here, and on Tekscopes2, but am not clear on what the fix is. The ROM images I have located seem to be either newer, or cannot just be burned into the MCM68766 EPROM. I can burn these, and read the MOSTEK chips. And have repaired Fluke and HP instruments with bad ROM in this way.
Does any one have the ROM images, read directly from the MOSTEK chips? The p/n's are:
160-0408-00, 160-0409-00, 160-0410-00, 160-0411-00
Or, does anyone know other step are required to use the available images? I have read about pulling the FPGA and jumpering, in conjunction with some other ROM?
Any help appreciated!


 

Follow up - I looked at the image here, it isn't blank - have you tried another EPROM?

Regards,
David Partridge


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From: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Koller
Sent: 27 March 2014 19:46
To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7854 ROM, again ..




Thanks David! I appreciate it. One of the images, U210 is bad, there is no data...


Bob Koller <testtech@...>
 

Yes, it is all FFFF


On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:47 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:
 
Follow up - I looked at the image here, it isn't blank - have you tried another EPROM?

Regards,
David Partridge


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From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Bob Koller
Sent: 27 March 2014 19:46
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7854 ROM, again ..

Thanks David! I appreciate it. One of the images, U210 is bad, there is no data...




Bob Koller <testtech@...>
 


I burned U210 and the 2716 PROMS's, but it still reports a ROM failure during POST. I wonder if the FPGA might also be bad? My programmer does not have a profile for the 82S107.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 8:15 AM, Bob Koller wrote:
 
Yes, it is all FFFF


On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:47 AM, David C. Partridge
 
Follow up - I looked at the image here, it isn't blank - have you tried another EPROM?

Regards,
David Partridge


________________________________

From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Bob Koller
Sent: 27 March 2014 19:46
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7854 ROM, again ..

Thanks David! I appreciate it. One of the images, U210 is bad, there is no data...






 

The ROM is bad then as the image for U210 I sent is NOT all FF

Regards,
David Partridge


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From: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Koller
Sent: 28 March 2014 16:23
To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7854 ROM, again ..





I burned U210 and the 2716 PROMS's, but it still reports a ROM failure during POST. I wonder if the FPGA might also be bad? My programmer does not have a profile for the 82S107.





On Friday, March 28, 2014 8:15 AM, Bob Koller <testtech@yahoo.com> wrote:


Yes, it is all FFFF


Bob Koller <testtech@...>
 

Thanks, I will check it out..

On Friday, March 28, 2014 9:30 AM, Bob Koller wrote:
 

I burned U210 and the 2716 PROMS's, but it still reports a ROM failure during POST. I wonder if the FPGA might also be bad? My programmer does not have a profile for the 82S107.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 8:15 AM, Bob Koller wrote:
 
Yes, it is all FFFF


On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:47 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:
 
Follow up - I looked at the image here, it isn't blank - have you tried another EPROM?

Regards,
David Partridge


________________________________

From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Bob Koller
Sent: 27 March 2014 19:46
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7854 ROM, again ..

Thanks David! I appreciate it. One of the images, U210 is bad, there is no data...








davebr@...
 

I'm coming in late on this conversation but I have repaired these for the vintageTEK museum.  The patch ROMs must match the main ROMs and the FPLA.  The best thing to do is to replace the four Mostek ROMs with two 27128s programmed with the .PAT images.  Then you have to reprogram and replace the 2716s so they match with the same version.  Then you must remove the FPLA as that code is embedded in the .PAT images.  Then you need a 24 pin to 28 pin adapter for the 27128 and you have to rewire the CS as you have combined two ROMs into one EPROM.  I put information on my personal web site at http://modularsynthesis.com/elec_repairs/repairs.htm.  It is towards the end of the page.


bogroca
 

Hi,


My experience: from 4x MKxxxx and 2x 2716 to 2x 27256. I have used the Pentti images and salvaged my own patch ROMS. Also got a binary image of the FPLA. As for procedure, I replaced the coresponding bytes from the Pentti ROMs with the ones from the patch ROMs, based on the FPLA image, decoded ALL MANUALLY.


The result is attached (2 files, compressed). The scope has no more error messages.

Regards,

Bogdan


danadak
 

I do not see the attached images ?


Regards, Dana.


 

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I do not see the attached images ?


Regards, Dana.







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testtech@...
 

RE:

The 7854 and ROM issue. I have no more time or interest in this instrument. I installed the Penti ROM set and wiring per Dave, and it will now get past the ROM failure, apparently, and stall on the RTC test failure, and not get past that.
So, before I put this non-functional 7854 up on Ebay, probably parted out, I am offering it complete with the waverform calculator to the Group. S/N is B010126, no plugins, very little apparent use, the CRT HV lead has virtually no black dust accumulated on it. A little surface dirt from years of storage though. Comes with the Penti ROM installed and the original MOSTEK set as well. Looking for $150 + shipping. PM for a shipping quote.


Mark Huffstutter
 

Hello,
          
Could You give me an idea of shipping to Seattle, WA?
specifically
the 98115 area code.

Thank You,
Mark

RE:

The 7854 and ROM issue. I have no more time or
interest in this
instrument. I installed the Penti ROM set and
wiring per Dave, and it will
now get past the ROM failure,
apparently, and stall on the RTC test
failure, and not get past
that.
So, before I put this non-functional 7854 up on Ebay,
probably parted out,
I am offering it complete with the
waverform calculator to the Group. S/N
is B010126, no plugins,
very little apparent use, the CRT HV lead has
virtually no
black dust accumulated on it. A little surface dirt from
years
of storage though. Comes with the Penti ROM installed and the
original MOSTEK set as well. Looking for $150 + shipping. PM for a
shipping quote.

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Mark Huffstutter
 

Sorry, that was supposed to be a PM....

Mark


Hello,
Could You give me an idea of shipping to Seattle, WA?
specifically
the 98115 area code.

Thank
You,
Mark

RE:

The 7854 and ROM issue. I have no more time or
interest in this
instrument. I installed the
Penti ROM set and
wiring per Dave, and it will
now get past the ROM failure,
apparently, and stall on the RTC
test
failure, and not get past
that.
So, before I put this non-functional 7854 up on Ebay,
probably parted out,
I am offering it complete with
the
waverform calculator to the Group. S/N
is
B010126, no plugins,
very little apparent use, the CRT HV lead
has
virtually no
black dust accumulated on it. A
little surface dirt from
years
of storage
though. Comes with the Penti ROM installed and the
original MOSTEK set as well. Looking for $150 + shipping. PM for a
shipping quote.

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portions of this
message have been removed]



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of this message have been removed]