Succession plans and wills - Re: [TekScopes] How Many Scopes?


G Hopper
 

I think that's the value in 'bundles'. A couple of pieces of 'stuff' along
with the one gem. It's not an unreasonable approach.

I do agree that the "you have to take it all" approach can be off-putting
to some, though for me, I've always been willing because I can then put
pieces into the hands of people that need or can make good use of things
and I have both the time and space to make this happen. If it's the 'all
or nothing' there will be people that take the all. In that case and when
the goal is to clear things out, that approach works too.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:10 PM Dave Seiter <d.seiter@att.net> wrote:

It's fairly common on CL too- if you want the high end/useful goodies in
a freebie pile, you have to take the whole pile.
-Dave
On Tuesday, December 18, 2018, 5:49:14 PM PST, EricJ via Groups.Io
<wyzkydd2358=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

It's pretty easy to understand really. If they want to capitalize on
getting some free stuff then they have to do the work of clearing out the
rest. If nobody is willing to do that then you don't have a whole lot more
work to do than you already did.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.






Dave Seiter
 

It's fairly common on CL too- if you want the high end/useful goodies in a freebie pile, you have to take the whole pile.  
-Dave

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018, 5:49:14 PM PST, EricJ via Groups.Io <wyzkydd2358=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

It's pretty easy to understand really. If they want to capitalize on getting some free stuff then they have to do the work of clearing out the rest. If nobody is willing to do that then you don't have a whole lot more work to do than you already did.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


EricJ
 

It's pretty easy to understand really. If they want to capitalize on getting some free stuff then they have to do the work of clearing out the rest. If nobody is willing to do that then you don't have a whole lot more work to do than you already did.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------From: "Bob Albert via Groups.Io" <bob91343=yahoo.com@groups.io> Date: 12/18/18 5:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TekScopes@groups.io Subject: Re: Succession plans and wills - Re: [TekScopes] How Many Scopes?
I can't understand the 'you have to take it all' rule.  How many people have room for some of these collections?  Wouldn't it be nice just to get rid of as much as possible?  Then what's left probably has minimal value and can be scrapped.
Bob
    On Tuesday, December 18, 2018, 3:11:35 PM PST, Artekmedia <manuals@artekmanuals.com> wrote:

Wish I had thought of that one when I invited my late wife's friends
over to go through her shoes and clothes after she passed

Dave
manuals@artekmanuals.com
( PS : Picked up a new 7A13 and a AM503 today to help complete my
collection..... :-) )

On 12/18/2018 5:46 PM, redarlington wrote:
My plan is simple.  Anybody can have anything they want.  But you have to
take it all.

-Bob

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 5:36 PM <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote:

On 2018-12-08 2:38 PM, oliver johnson via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all I for one have more scopes than i can or will ever use , but for
some strange reason i keep getting them . For me it just fixing them that i
enjoy and once fixed it goes in the pile that i have , speaking of pile i
am looking for one last tek to complete my dual beam collection,  7844 is
the last tek needed for dual beam collection,  if anyone has one reasonable
please let me know,  thanks and keep the hobby going .


This thread really makes me wonder how many collectors have a succession
plan for when we can't take care of them all any more.

How many have lined up a Will, or executor who will successfully be able
to rehome your collection to a museum or suitably responsible individual?

The "wife seeks to get rid of 97 of husband's instruments by Sunday,
local pickup only", that we see semi-regularly now, is far from the
worst case scenario.

--Toby


Disclaimer: I haven't




    On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 1:39 PM, TomC<tomc@viclink.com> wrote:  On
12/7/2018 3:15 PM, Craig Sawyers wrote:
Now just what do I do if I have to display more than 12 waveforms at
once ?
Ah - you can do that with a single 7844
How?










--
Dave
Manuals@ArtekManuals.com
www.ArtekManuals.com


Bob Albert
 

I can't understand the 'you have to take it all' rule.  How many people have room for some of these collections?  Wouldn't it be nice just to get rid of as much as possible?  Then what's left probably has minimal value and can be scrapped.
Bob

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018, 3:11:35 PM PST, Artekmedia <manuals@artekmanuals.com> wrote:

Wish I had thought of that one when I invited my late wife's friends
over to go through her shoes and clothes after she passed

Dave
manuals@artekmanuals.com
( PS : Picked up a new 7A13 and a AM503 today to help complete my
collection..... :-) )

On 12/18/2018 5:46 PM, redarlington wrote:
My plan is simple.  Anybody can have anything they want.  But you have to
take it all.

-Bob

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 5:36 PM <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote:

On 2018-12-08 2:38 PM, oliver johnson via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all I for one have more scopes than i can or will ever use , but for
some strange reason i keep getting them . For me it just fixing them that i
enjoy and once fixed it goes in the pile that i have , speaking of pile i
am looking for one last tek to complete my dual beam collection,  7844 is
the last tek needed for dual beam collection,  if anyone has one reasonable
please let me know,  thanks and keep the hobby going .


This thread really makes me wonder how many collectors have a succession
plan for when we can't take care of them all any more.

How many have lined up a Will, or executor who will successfully be able
to rehome your collection to a museum or suitably responsible individual?

The "wife seeks to get rid of 97 of husband's instruments by Sunday,
local pickup only", that we see semi-regularly now, is far from the
worst case scenario.

--Toby


Disclaimer: I haven't




    On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 1:39 PM, TomC<tomc@viclink.com> wrote:  On
12/7/2018 3:15 PM, Craig Sawyers wrote:
Now just what do I do if I have to display more than 12 waveforms at
once ?
Ah - you can do that with a single 7844
How?










--
Dave
Manuals@ArtekManuals.com
www.ArtekManuals.com


Artekmedia <manuals@...>
 

Wish I had thought of that one when I invited my late wife's friends over to go through her shoes and clothes after she passed

Dave
manuals@artekmanuals.com
( PS : Picked up a new 7A13 and a AM503 today to help complete my collection..... :-) )

On 12/18/2018 5:46 PM, redarlington wrote:
My plan is simple. Anybody can have anything they want. But you have to
take it all.

-Bob

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 5:36 PM <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote:

On 2018-12-08 2:38 PM, oliver johnson via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all I for one have more scopes than i can or will ever use , but for
some strange reason i keep getting them . For me it just fixing them that i
enjoy and once fixed it goes in the pile that i have , speaking of pile i
am looking for one last tek to complete my dual beam collection, 7844 is
the last tek needed for dual beam collection, if anyone has one reasonable
please let me know, thanks and keep the hobby going .


This thread really makes me wonder how many collectors have a succession
plan for when we can't take care of them all any more.

How many have lined up a Will, or executor who will successfully be able
to rehome your collection to a museum or suitably responsible individual?

The "wife seeks to get rid of 97 of husband's instruments by Sunday,
local pickup only", that we see semi-regularly now, is far from the
worst case scenario.

--Toby


Disclaimer: I haven't




On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 1:39 PM, TomC<tomc@viclink.com> wrote: On
12/7/2018 3:15 PM, Craig Sawyers wrote:
Now just what do I do if I have to display more than 12 waveforms at
once ?
Ah - you can do that with a single 7844
How?









--
Dave
Manuals@ArtekManuals.com
www.ArtekManuals.com


redarlington
 

My plan is simple. Anybody can have anything they want. But you have to
take it all.

-Bob

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 5:36 PM <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote:

On 2018-12-08 2:38 PM, oliver johnson via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all I for one have more scopes than i can or will ever use , but for
some strange reason i keep getting them . For me it just fixing them that i
enjoy and once fixed it goes in the pile that i have , speaking of pile i
am looking for one last tek to complete my dual beam collection, 7844 is
the last tek needed for dual beam collection, if anyone has one reasonable
please let me know, thanks and keep the hobby going .


This thread really makes me wonder how many collectors have a succession
plan for when we can't take care of them all any more.

How many have lined up a Will, or executor who will successfully be able
to rehome your collection to a museum or suitably responsible individual?

The "wife seeks to get rid of 97 of husband's instruments by Sunday,
local pickup only", that we see semi-regularly now, is far from the
worst case scenario.

--Toby


Disclaimer: I haven't




On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 1:39 PM, TomC<tomc@viclink.com> wrote: On
12/7/2018 3:15 PM, Craig Sawyers wrote:
Now just what do I do if I have to display more than 12 waveforms at
once ?

Ah - you can do that with a single 7844
How?











Tom Gardner
 

One of the less bad routes is to a local hackspace/makerspace. My local one has had a Tek 2245 , a Telequipment DM63, and lots of drawers of components.

A problem is that youngsters think digital==good, and analogue=="where's the autoset button?".

Overall I think it is best to dispose of /stuff/ while you can. There's an ebayer in the UK who does that with an accurate description of what does and doesn't work.

I'd love to be let loose in his manshed - two walls of glowing Tek/HP equipment. As it was I picked up a couple of CRTs for £10 (one worked, one didn't) and a Tek 485 with an entertaining intermittent fault that I eventually traced.

On 09/12/18 01:16, John Griessen wrote:
On 12/8/18 6:36 PM, toby@telegraphics.com.au wrote:
The "wife seeks to get rid of 97 of husband's instruments by Sunday,
local pickup only", that we see semi-regularly now, is far from the
worst case scenario.

WCS = surviving wife driving tractor over instruments?

WCS = Son calling the "got junk?" company?

WCS = survivors putting craigslist ad for $500 per instrument, and one sells, rest go to estate sale buyer for $75.

WCS = daughter delegates to her daughter, who calls local donations nonprofit that is expert at appraising silverware and furniture and clothing.  Instruments go to Salvation Army and are forwarded to e-waste company.

etc, etc...


G Hopper
 

As an estate and probate attorney and one who has handled several
significant estates from engineers who continued to work well past
retirement (and thus had more than a casual amount of stuff), the
assumptions that most testators (people that are making a plan for passing
and dealing with their stuff), make regarding the desirability and
marketability of their stuff is sadly inaccurate. As an example, several
times I've had clients tell me that their computer collections are worth
quite a lot and they'll just donate for a tax benefit. And I agree that
some of the collections have rare items and are indeed quite extensive. I
suggest to them to go get an appraisal (like if they would be getting it
insured) as well as having a frank discussion with organizations that
they'd have their executor donate to.

I do this because mostly no one thinks at all about the executor having to
actually deal with the stuff (or the attorney for that matter) and presume
that everyone is as knowledgeable and aware as they are about their stuff.

The results of that investigation usually disabuse people of the notion
that 1) any organization wants more than a few select pieces of a
collection, and/or 2) it's worth even a fraction of what they think it is.
When organizations are willing to take more than a small bit, it's usually
to sell the other items to raise cash. I'm also the attorney for a number
of smaller non-profits so I see the other side of the equation and most
groups don't have the volunteer expertise and time to deal with the items
that are proposed to be dumped off on them. Often the cost of dealing with
the 'donations' and the hassle of discarding electronics created policies
of not accepting 'enmasss' donations.

Collections of parts is an even worse situation. In fact I've been dealing
with one for going on two years as a charity case and this collection of
test gear, hardware, intellectual property, and parts was of substantial
value (purchase prices.) Who actually wants to buy a bank of parts drawers
containing resistors, capacitors, transistors, etc.? Pretty much no one.
They'll take it for free and add to their mess... that someone else down
the road will have to deal with and pass on yet again.

In the case of this estate, I'd estimate that in one set of drawers there
is something close to $20,000 retail of various kinds of newer* memory
devices. I've tried shopping it around and pretty much had no serious
takers. Offers of "we'll pay shipping" or "ship it to us and we'll
appraise it and send you a check..." Another set of drawers and boxes has
CPUs and microprocessors a plenty.... Other drawers hold other current
production devices. Same answers for most all the stuff.

I had similar results (pennies on the dollar) for some of the more
expensive and unusual test and manufacturing equipment. As an example,
there is a international power systems power supply that even includes
400Hz aircraft power in its capability. New units of similar design run
around $2000 to 2600. This one would seem to appraise out at $900-1000,
going for slightly more in the hands of a used equipment dealer (listing at
$1600.) I got one offer for $100.

*The engineer worked for a significant design and manufacturing company,
and did so from his home lab as a subcontractor after her retired young and
very well off. He died rather quickly (and young) with his parts inventory
being substantial due to (his) low volume production of several new
products ongoing.

Based on a repeat of these sorts of stories and experiences my advice has
been: get rid of stuff while you're still alive if you care about the stuff
getting into hands of people that truly appreciate it. And if you don't,
track down someone that understands the hardware and cares enough about you
to not let the stuff get tipped into a dumpster once you're gone. That
last thing has happened far more frequently than I like thinking about.

Hope this gives people some food for thought.
Grant

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 4:36 PM <toby@telegraphics.com.au> wrote:

On 2018-12-08 2:38 PM, oliver johnson via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all I for one have more scopes than i can or will ever use , but for
some strange reason i keep getting them . For me it just fixing them that i
enjoy and once fixed it goes in the pile that i have , speaking of pile i
am looking for one last tek to complete my dual beam collection, 7844 is
the last tek needed for dual beam collection, if anyone has one reasonable
please let me know, thanks and keep the hobby going .


This thread really makes me wonder how many collectors have a succession
plan for when we can't take care of them all any more.

How many have lined up a Will, or executor who will successfully be able
to rehome your collection to a museum or suitably responsible individual?

The "wife seeks to get rid of 97 of husband's instruments by Sunday,
local pickup only", that we see semi-regularly now, is far from the
worst case scenario.

--Toby


Disclaimer: I haven't




On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 1:39 PM, TomC<tomc@viclink.com> wrote: On
12/7/2018 3:15 PM, Craig Sawyers wrote:
Now just what do I do if I have to display more than 12 waveforms at
once ?

Ah - you can do that with a single 7844
How?











David Slipper
 

Hehe - the charity shops in the UK get all sorts, but I'm yet to find
any Tek or HP instruments :-(

I have found an excellent Access Point, a camera, a scanner, and various
other goodies all at silly prices.

When I "pop my clogs" my executors have my suggestions as to what to do
with my stuff but since I wont be there to care they can give it away if
that gives them joy. My brother is a "ham" and develops covetous eyes
when he visits but his wife keeps him on a short leash ;-)

I am also a member of a ham radio club so I guess a "silent key" sale
may be an option.

Dave


Dave Seiter
 

The fourth one is probably the most common.
-Dave

From: John Griessen <john@ecosensory.com>
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Succession plans and wills - Re: [TekScopes] How Many Scopes?

On 12/8/18 6:36 PM, toby@telegraphics.com.au wrote:
The "wife seeks to get rid of 97 of husband's instruments by Sunday,
local pickup only", that we see semi-regularly now, is far from the
worst case scenario.

WCS = surviving wife driving tractor over instruments?

WCS = Son calling the "got junk?" company?

WCS = survivors putting craigslist ad for $500 per instrument, and one sells, rest go to estate sale buyer for $75.

WCS = daughter delegates to her daughter, who calls local donations nonprofit that is expert at appraising silverware and
furniture and clothing.  Instruments go to Salvation Army and are forwarded to e-waste company.

etc, etc...


John Griessen
 

On 12/8/18 6:36 PM, toby@telegraphics.com.au wrote:
The "wife seeks to get rid of 97 of husband's instruments by Sunday,
local pickup only", that we see semi-regularly now, is far from the
worst case scenario.

WCS = surviving wife driving tractor over instruments?

WCS = Son calling the "got junk?" company?

WCS = survivors putting craigslist ad for $500 per instrument, and one sells, rest go to estate sale buyer for $75.

WCS = daughter delegates to her daughter, who calls local donations nonprofit that is expert at appraising silverware and furniture and clothing. Instruments go to Salvation Army and are forwarded to e-waste company.

etc, etc...


toby@...
 

On 2018-12-08 2:38 PM, oliver johnson via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all I for one have more scopes than i can or will ever use , but for some strange reason i keep getting them . For me it just fixing them that i enjoy and once fixed it goes in the pile that i have , speaking of pile i am looking for one last tek to complete my dual beam collection,  7844 is the last tek needed for dual beam collection,  if anyone has one reasonable please let me know,  thanks and keep the hobby going .

This thread really makes me wonder how many collectors have a succession
plan for when we can't take care of them all any more.

How many have lined up a Will, or executor who will successfully be able
to rehome your collection to a museum or suitably responsible individual?

The "wife seeks to get rid of 97 of husband's instruments by Sunday,
local pickup only", that we see semi-regularly now, is far from the
worst case scenario.

--Toby


Disclaimer: I haven't




On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 1:39 PM, TomC<tomc@viclink.com> wrote: On 12/7/2018 3:15 PM, Craig Sawyers wrote:
Now just what do I do if I have to display more than 12 waveforms at once ?
Ah - you can do that with a single 7844
How?