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PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

 

To Jack, and the many others who have gently reminded me I need to recover the modest annual cost of hosting our data on Groups.io. Thank you. I think it is time to explain my inaction.

The short explanation is I have been avoiding it. I'm probably overthinking this but I just realized the TekScopes members can probably firure out solutions to every one of my concerns. Below are my concerns in no particular order. By writing them down here I am asking for your help. When the replies dwindle to a trickle I will distill down the best ideas and if necessary put them up for a vote.

The annual cost is ~$100. I paid for the first year to get us started without further delay because it appeared Yahoo would shut us down at any moment.

THIS IS GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF MESSAGE TRAFFIC SO PLEASE ONLY REPLY AFTER READING ALL OF THE PRIOR POSTS AND REPLY ONLY IF YOU HAVE A CONTRIBUTION. I am concerned that there will be too much traffic so keep your replies short and to the point, and avoid unnecessary back and forth that might keep the thread going longer than necessary.

MY CONCERNS / QUESTIONS / ISSUES / RANDOM THOUGHTS:

* Any request for funds is going to result in more than $100 being sent to me. For example if we have 7,000 members and 10% are active at any given moment and they each sent in $1 that would be 7 years' worth of Groups.io storage costs.
* Michael Dunn and I would both have control over the funds so in the event something happens to one of us the other could carry on alone.
* What do we do with the excess donations? Where should they be kept? Commercial banks charge too many fees. Perhaps a credit union is the answer. What about the Tektronix Credit Union? Can I apply if I was not an employee of Tek?
* Donating less than $1 is impractical.
* Fairness dictates that the cost be spread evenly so everybody contributed equally. This is also impractical.
* Everyone should have access to the donation list of who contributed and how much for total transparency. That way everyone can confirm their donation contributed to the total.
* There needs to be an automated way to accept and post the donations to the donation list because my wife and I do not have the time to do it. I have no idea how to do that part of this, but maybe somebody has the answer.
* I am hopeful whatever mechanism is chosen it accepts PayPal and checks. It is impractical to send a money order for $1. It is also not a good idea to send $1 in cash.
* How do foreign donations get handled? Maybe the automated system I alluded to above has the answer to that.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
Jack Reynolds wrote on Monday, April 30, 2018 4:36 PM
<snips>
Hello all and especially Dennis,
I remember reading for a while
before the switch to groups.io that there were going to be some modest
financial costs for the switch and for the maintenance of the groups.io
group which would be dealt with after the switchover.
Dennis, would you be so kind as to update us on the who, where and how much, etc.?
Thanks,
Jack Reynolds


--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator

Sergey Kubushyn
 

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Dennis Tillman W7PF wrote:

I would happily shell out $10 or even more.

The solution might be simple but it would require cooperation and
organization (maybe contact groups.io guys?)

The thing is most of us are participants in several groups, not just one.
There is HP-Agilent, Lecroy and some others. If we could somehow split our
payments of, say, $10 between those all groups we are members of that would
solve the problem of excessive funds.

Maybe we should ask groups.io administrators if they could charge members,
not moderators something like $1 per group per year?

Just an idea...

To Jack, and the many others who have gently reminded me I need to recover
the modest annual cost of hosting our data on Groups.io. Thank you. I
think it is time to explain my inaction.

The short explanation is I have been avoiding it. I'm probably
overthinking this but I just realized the TekScopes members can probably
firure out solutions to every one of my concerns. Below are my concerns
in no particular order. By writing them down here I am asking for your
help. When the replies dwindle to a trickle I will distill down the best
ideas and if necessary put them up for a vote.

The annual cost is ~$100. I paid for the first year to get us started
without further delay because it appeared Yahoo would shut us down at any
moment.

THIS IS GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF MESSAGE TRAFFIC SO PLEASE ONLY REPLY
AFTER READING ALL OF THE PRIOR POSTS AND REPLY ONLY IF YOU HAVE A
CONTRIBUTION. I am concerned that there will be too much traffic so keep
your replies short and to the point, and avoid unnecessary back and forth
that might keep the thread going longer than necessary.

MY CONCERNS / QUESTIONS / ISSUES / RANDOM THOUGHTS:

* Any request for funds is going to result in more than $100 being sent to
me. For example if we have 7,000 members and 10% are active at any given
moment and they each sent in $1 that would be 7 years' worth of Groups.io
storage costs. * Michael Dunn and I would both have control over the
funds so in the event something happens to one of us the other could carry
on alone. * What do we do with the excess donations? Where should they
be kept? Commercial banks charge too many fees. Perhaps a credit union
is the answer. What about the Tektronix Credit Union? Can I apply if I
was not an employee of Tek?
* Donating less than $1 is impractical.
* Fairness dictates that the cost be spread evenly so everybody
contributed equally. This is also impractical. * Everyone should have
access to the donation list of who contributed and how much for total
transparency. That way everyone can confirm their donation contributed to
the total. * There needs to be an automated way to accept and post the
donations to the donation list because my wife and I do not have the time
to do it. I have no idea how to do that part of this, but maybe somebody
has the answer. * I am hopeful whatever mechanism is chosen it accepts
PayPal and checks. It is impractical to send a money order for $1. It is
also not a good idea to send $1 in cash. * How do foreign donations get
handled? Maybe the automated system I alluded to above has the answer to
that.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
Jack Reynolds wrote on Monday, April 30, 2018 4:36 PM
<snips>
Hello all and especially Dennis,
I remember reading for a while
before the switch to groups.io that there were going to be some modest
financial costs for the switch and for the maintenance of the groups.io
group which would be dealt with after the switchover.
Dennis, would you be so kind as to update us on the who, where and how much, etc.?
Thanks,
Jack Reynolds


--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
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Please re-send after the details have been ironed out.

Gary


On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Dennis Tillman W7PF <@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF>
wrote:

To Jack, and the many others who have gently reminded me I need to recover
the modest annual cost of hosting our data on Groups.io. Thank you. I think
it is time to explain my inaction.

The short explanation is I have been avoiding it. I'm probably
overthinking this but I just realized the TekScopes members can probably
firure out solutions to every one of my concerns. Below are my concerns in
no particular order. By writing them down here I am asking for your help.
When the replies dwindle to a trickle I will distill down the best ideas
and if necessary put them up for a vote.

The annual cost is ~$100. I paid for the first year to get us started
without further delay because it appeared Yahoo would shut us down at any
moment.

THIS IS GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF MESSAGE TRAFFIC SO PLEASE ONLY REPLY
AFTER READING ALL OF THE PRIOR POSTS AND REPLY ONLY IF YOU HAVE A
CONTRIBUTION. I am concerned that there will be too much traffic so keep
your replies short and to the point, and avoid unnecessary back and forth
that might keep the thread going longer than necessary.

MY CONCERNS / QUESTIONS / ISSUES / RANDOM THOUGHTS:

* Any request for funds is going to result in more than $100 being sent to
me. For example if we have 7,000 members and 10% are active at any given
moment and they each sent in $1 that would be 7 years' worth of Groups.io
storage costs.
* Michael Dunn and I would both have control over the funds so in the
event something happens to one of us the other could carry on alone.
* What do we do with the excess donations? Where should they be kept?
Commercial banks charge too many fees. Perhaps a credit union is the
answer. What about the Tektronix Credit Union? Can I apply if I was not an
employee of Tek?
* Donating less than $1 is impractical.
* Fairness dictates that the cost be spread evenly so everybody
contributed equally. This is also impractical.
* Everyone should have access to the donation list of who contributed and
how much for total transparency. That way everyone can confirm their
donation contributed to the total.
* There needs to be an automated way to accept and post the donations to
the donation list because my wife and I do not have the time to do it. I
have no idea how to do that part of this, but maybe somebody has the
answer.
* I am hopeful whatever mechanism is chosen it accepts PayPal and checks.
It is impractical to send a money order for $1. It is also not a good idea
to send $1 in cash.
* How do foreign donations get handled? Maybe the automated system I
alluded to above has the answer to that.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
Jack Reynolds wrote on Monday, April 30, 2018 4:36 PM
<snips>
Hello all and especially Dennis,
I remember reading for a while
before the switch to groups.io that there were going to be some modest
financial costs for the switch and for the maintenance of the groups.io
group which would be dealt with after the switchover.
Dennis, would you be so kind as to update us on the who, where and how
much, etc.?
Thanks,
Jack Reynolds


--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator




--
Gary Robert Bosworth
@grbosworth
Tel: 310-317-2247

Robert Simpson
 

A. Donate extra to the Tektronix museum.

B. As mentioned, work out a deal with other moderators as like so many of you, I am also a member of many technical forums.

Or anything like that.
And
Thank you for setting this up,
Bob

stefan_trethan
 

Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Robert Simpson via Groups.Io
<go_boating_fast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A. Donate extra to the Tektronix museum.

B. As mentioned, work out a deal with other moderators as like so many of you, I am also a member of many technical forums.

Or anything like that.
And
Thank you for setting this up,
Bob


tom jobe <tomjobe@...>
 

Stefan's eBay plan is brilliantly simple!
But I say it should be extended to $200, so there are ample funds for the eBay and PayPal fees and other administrative costs (such as a nice lunch for Dennis and his wife, etc).
Do not give any accounting of the funds other than to say the first year is paid for.
Forget the list of donors and forget giving credit to anyone who contributed.
If anyone requires a 'pat on the back', or any kind of accounting, then that person should not contribute anything, and just say he did if it makes him feel better.
Then when the time nears for the second year payment to Groups.IO do it again for double whatever the Groups.IO charges are at that time.
tom jobe...

On 4/30/2018 10:29 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Robert Simpson via Groups.Io
<go_boating_fast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A. Donate extra to the Tektronix museum.

B. As mentioned, work out a deal with other moderators as like so many of you, I am also a member of many technical forums.

Or anything like that.
And
Thank you for setting this up,
Bob


JJ
 

Nice idea, Stefan.

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 1:29 AM, stefan_trethan <stefan_trethan@...>
wrote:

Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Robert Simpson via Groups.Io
<go_boating_fast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A. Donate extra to the Tektronix museum.

B. As mentioned, work out a deal with other moderators as like so many
of you, I am also a member of many technical forums.

Or anything like that.
And
Thank you for setting this up,
Bob




David Berlind
 

As a frequent user of eBay, just keep in mind that whoever administers that will get a tax document shortly after the year is over and it will be treated as income.

On May 1, 2018 7:58:01 AM "tom jobe" <tomjobe@...> wrote:

Stefan's eBay plan is brilliantly simple!
But I say it should be extended to $200, so there are ample funds for
the eBay and PayPal fees and other administrative costs (such as a nice
lunch for Dennis and his wife, etc).
Do not give any accounting of the funds other than to say the first year
is paid for.
Forget the list of donors and forget giving credit to anyone who
contributed.
If anyone requires a 'pat on the back', or any kind of accounting, then
that person should not contribute anything, and just say he did if it
makes him feel better.
Then when the time nears for the second year payment to Groups.IO do it
again for double whatever the Groups.IO charges are at that time.
tom jobe...

On 4/30/2018 10:29 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Robert Simpson via Groups.Io
<go_boating_fast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A. Donate extra to the Tektronix museum.

B. As mentioned, work out a deal with other moderators as like so many of
you, I am also a member of many technical forums.

Or anything like that.
And
Thank you for setting this up,
Bob




EricJ
 

They don't do this unless you cross a certain threshold of sales. You have to BOTH sell more than $20,000.00 worth of goods AND have more than 200 sales transactions or they do not do this. If you don't hit both of these marks they send nothing.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8.

-------- Original message --------From: David Berlind <david@...> Date: 5/1/18 7:56 AM (GMT-06:00) To: TekScopes@groups.io, tom jobe <tomjobe@...> Subject: Re: [TekScopes] PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO
As a frequent user of eBay, just keep in mind that whoever administers that
will get a tax document shortly after the year is over and it will be
treated as income.

On May 1, 2018 7:58:01 AM "tom jobe" <tomjobe@...> wrote:

Stefan's eBay plan is brilliantly simple!
But I say it should be extended to $200, so there are ample funds for
the eBay and PayPal fees and other administrative costs (such as a nice
lunch for Dennis and his wife, etc).
Do not give any accounting of the funds other than to say the first year
is paid for.
Forget the list of donors and forget giving credit to anyone who
contributed.
If anyone requires a 'pat on the back', or any kind of accounting, then
that person should not contribute anything, and just say he did if it
makes him feel better.
Then when the time nears for the second year payment to Groups.IO do it
again for double whatever the Groups.IO charges are at that time.
tom jobe...

On 4/30/2018 10:29 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Robert Simpson via Groups.Io
<go_boating_fast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A. Donate extra to the Tektronix museum.

B. As mentioned, work out a deal with other moderators as like so many of
you, I am also a member of many technical forums.

Or anything like that.
And
Thank you for setting this up,
Bob




David Berlind
 

I didn't come close to that level. I left out one detail... It is PayPal that sends the document to you if you process the payments through PayPal. I probably sold a little less than $1K worth of stuff. I don't know if PayPal has minimal thresholds or not.

On May 1, 2018 9:04:33 AM "EricJ via Groups.Io" <wyzkydd2358=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

They don't do this unless you cross a certain threshold of sales. You have to BOTH sell more than $20,000.00 worth of goods AND have more than 200 sales transactions or they do not do this. If you don't hit both of these marks they send nothing.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8.
-------- Original message --------From: David Berlind <david@...> Date: 5/1/18 7:56 AM (GMT-06:00) To: TekScopes@groups.io, tom jobe <tomjobe@...> Subject: Re: [TekScopes] PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO
As a frequent user of eBay, just keep in mind that whoever administers that
will get a tax document shortly after the year is over and it will be
treated as income.

On May 1, 2018 7:58:01 AM "tom jobe" <tomjobe@...> wrote:

Stefan's eBay plan is brilliantly simple!
But I say it should be extended to $200, so there are ample funds for
the eBay and PayPal fees and other administrative costs (such as a nice
lunch for Dennis and his wife, etc).
Do not give any accounting of the funds other than to say the first year
is paid for.
Forget the list of donors and forget giving credit to anyone who
contributed.
If anyone requires a 'pat on the back', or any kind of accounting, then
that person should not contribute anything, and just say he did if it
makes him feel better.
Then when the time nears for the second year payment to Groups.IO do it
again for double whatever the Groups.IO charges are at that time.
tom jobe...

On 4/30/2018 10:29 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Robert Simpson via Groups.Io
<go_boating_fast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A. Donate extra to the Tektronix museum.

B. As mentioned, work out a deal with other moderators as like so many of
you, I am also a member of many technical forums.

Or anything like that.
And
Thank you for setting this up,
Bob










EricJ
 

Hmm, something else must have happened there I think. I sold considerably more than $1,000 on eBay and through a message forum directly and never received anything from either one.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8.

-------- Original message --------From: David Berlind <david@...> Date: 5/1/18 8:18 AM (GMT-06:00) To: TekScopes@groups.io, "EricJ via Groups.Io" <wyzkydd2358=yahoo.com@groups.io> Subject: Re: [TekScopes] PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO
I didn't come close to that level. I left out one detail... It is PayPal
that sends the document to you if you process the payments through PayPal.
I probably sold a little less than $1K worth of stuff.  I don't know if
PayPal has minimal thresholds or not.

On May 1, 2018 9:04:33 AM "EricJ via Groups.Io"
<wyzkydd2358=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

They don't do this unless you cross a certain threshold of sales. You have
to BOTH sell more than $20,000.00 worth of goods AND have more than 200
sales transactions or they do not do this. If you don't hit both of these
marks they send nothing.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S8.
-------- Original message --------From: David Berlind <david@...>
Date: 5/1/18  7:56 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: TekScopes@groups.io, tom jobe
<tomjobe@...> Subject: Re: [TekScopes] PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO
As a frequent user of eBay, just keep in mind that whoever administers that
will get a tax document shortly after the year is over and it will be
treated as income.

On May 1, 2018 7:58:01 AM "tom jobe" <tomjobe@...> wrote:

Stefan's eBay plan is brilliantly simple!
But I say it should be extended to $200, so there are ample funds for
the eBay and PayPal fees and other administrative costs (such as a nice
lunch for Dennis and his wife, etc).
Do not give any accounting of the funds other than to say the first year
is paid for.
Forget the list of donors and forget giving credit to anyone who
contributed.
If anyone requires a 'pat on the back', or any kind of accounting, then
that person should not contribute anything, and just say he did if it
makes him feel better.
Then when the time nears for the second year payment to Groups.IO do it
again for double whatever the Groups.IO charges are at that time.
tom jobe...

On 4/30/2018 10:29 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Robert Simpson via Groups.Io
<go_boating_fast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A. Donate extra to the Tektronix museum.

B. As mentioned, work out a deal with other moderators as like so many of
you, I am also a member of many technical forums.

Or anything like that.
And
Thank you for setting this up,
Bob










Phil
 

1)going through ebay with small donations will do more to swell ebays coffers than the group. Better to just use paypal.
2)I think paypal will do the currency conversion (and charge) I need to check.
3) I do not need or want a credit for donation, if others do I would prefer to be lumped under 'anonymous'
Phil

John Griessen
 

auto-generate a list of contributors:

On 05/01/2018 12:29 AM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.
ebay is so tight with the data -- I don't see auto generate.
paypal.com is not very helpful either -- their "statements" do not have credit or bank account payment details or emails.
A list of who paid has to come from the many individual emails sent as paypal process payments.

The individual paypal "You've got money" emails could be processed as a batch using an email reader
like thunderbird first. Using thunderbird so all paypals to
a certain email go in a folder/directory you can select them all in a date range that you want, then do a save as to a directory already created for them to land in and they all go into files with ridiculously long names like:

'Re: [TekScopes] PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO - "Gary Robert Bosworth" <@grbosworth> - 2018-04-30 2346.eml'
'Re: [TekScopes] PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO - "Robert Simpson via Groups.Io" <go_boating_fast=yahoo.com@groups.io> - 2018-04-30 2354.eml'
'Re: [TekScopes] PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO - "Sergey Kubushyn" <@KSI> - 2018-04-30 2330.eml'

That directory full of data could be processed by a script to extract name, email, and amount paid. probably a bash script or python script would be low effort.

paypal You've got money emails contain these same lines every time:

x sent you $x
Money received $x.xx USD

sed commands could strip out name, email, and amount paid in a bash script of a few lines.

John Griessen
 

On 05/01/2018 09:01 AM, Phil wrote:
1)going through ebay with small donations will do more to swell ebays coffers than the group. Better to just use paypal.
I agree. Mentioning on this email list is plenty to get donations to come in.
Paypal can have problems too though. If you are paid, they take out some money even if you then refund it.
People can choose gift or product usually when they send.

There is a receiver generated donate button that can be done with a web site that needs some research.

Here is an example of it:

https://sponsor.pcbrnd.repo.hu/

By turning that button on/off you could control over active donating completely. The person,(volunteer), in charge of
that turn on/off function could do so by logging into the server the website is on, run a script to turn on, stay logged in,
tell folks on the list, see donations reach enough to pay the bill, run a script to turn off, logout.

When done by the fixed donation amount, any extra donations could be refunded so the amount is exact each year, making
bookkeeping easy.

ykochcal
 

Ok read all the posts

1. I would not mind if there was something like 5 year buffer.

2. If some how too much was collected there are other sites that I think all
most anyone on this site would support (kurts w140.com/tekwiki/ ......) that
the extra could be sent to

3. lots of stuff is sold through this site worded like "two left hand
threaded calibration fittings for rare scope for the postage" first two
direct emails gets it.

So get a extra email post it with a note "first lucky 200 people can donate"
and then send them the paypal info.

With a little luck and the good nature of people on this site you should end
up with good few years of funds.

And that would be a pittance compared to the value of your time and effort
of the moderators to moderate the site.

And I think we could all feel good about that.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Griessen
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 7:58 AM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

On 05/01/2018 09:01 AM, Phil wrote:
1)going through ebay with small donations will do more to swell ebays
coffers than the group. Better to just use paypal.

I agree. Mentioning on this email list is plenty to get donations to come
in.
Paypal can have problems too though. If you are paid, they take out some
money even if you then refund it.
People can choose gift or product usually when they send.

There is a receiver generated donate button that can be done with a web site
that needs some research.

Here is an example of it:

https://sponsor.pcbrnd.repo.hu/

By turning that button on/off you could control over active donating
completely. The person,(volunteer), in charge of
that turn on/off function could do so by logging into the server the website
is on, run a script to turn on, stay logged in,
tell folks on the list, see donations reach enough to pay the bill, run a
script to turn off, logout.

When done by the fixed donation amount, any extra donations could be
refunded so the amount is exact each year, making
bookkeeping easy.

stefan_trethan
 

I hate to break it to you John, but normal people do not run scripts.
They just click on stuff, mostly by accident. ;-)
It needs to be easy, otherwise Dennis would probably not be asking us
jokers for ideas....

Given that the supply of money will (for once) outstrip demand I
didn't think giving Ebay or even the tax man a cut was an issue, at
least for the first year. You'll be surprised how quickly the
generosity runs dry when you make this an annual event.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 4:57 PM, John Griessen <@jgriessen> wrote:
On 05/01/2018 09:01 AM, Phil wrote:

1)going through ebay with small donations will do more to swell ebays
coffers than the group. Better to just use paypal.

I agree. Mentioning on this email list is plenty to get donations to come
in.
Paypal can have problems too though. If you are paid, they take out some
money even if you then refund it.
People can choose gift or product usually when they send.

There is a receiver generated donate button that can be done with a web site
that needs some research.

Here is an example of it:

https://sponsor.pcbrnd.repo.hu/

By turning that button on/off you could control over active donating
completely. The person,(volunteer), in charge of
that turn on/off function could do so by logging into the server the website
is on, run a script to turn on, stay logged in,
tell folks on the list, see donations reach enough to pay the bill, run a
script to turn off, logout.

When done by the fixed donation amount, any extra donations could be
refunded so the amount is exact each year, making
bookkeeping easy.


David Berlind
 

one other solution ... it is often used to split the bill at restaurants ..
is Venmo. I don't know if groups.io accepts payment from Venmo. Even if
they don't now, we could pitch them on the idea and they might do it given
how much sense it makes for the communities they serve. Venmo would solve
the problem with no side effects.

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 11:28 AM, ykochcal <Kochcal@...> wrote:

Ok read all the posts

1. I would not mind if there was something like 5 year buffer.

2. If some how too much was collected there are other sites that I think
all
most anyone on this site would support (kurts w140.com/tekwiki/ ......)
that
the extra could be sent to

3. lots of stuff is sold through this site worded like "two left hand
threaded calibration fittings for rare scope for the postage" first two
direct emails gets it.

So get a extra email post it with a note "first lucky 200 people can
donate"
and then send them the paypal info.

With a little luck and the good nature of people on this site you should
end
up with good few years of funds.

And that would be a pittance compared to the value of your time and effort
of the moderators to moderate the site.

And I think we could all feel good about that.

John
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From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Griessen
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 7:58 AM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

On 05/01/2018 09:01 AM, Phil wrote:
1)going through ebay with small donations will do more to swell ebays
coffers than the group. Better to just use paypal.

I agree. Mentioning on this email list is plenty to get donations to come
in.
Paypal can have problems too though. If you are paid, they take out some
money even if you then refund it.
People can choose gift or product usually when they send.

There is a receiver generated donate button that can be done with a web
site
that needs some research.

Here is an example of it:

https://sponsor.pcbrnd.repo.hu/

By turning that button on/off you could control over active donating
completely. The person,(volunteer), in charge of
that turn on/off function could do so by logging into the server the
website
is on, run a script to turn on, stay logged in,
tell folks on the list, see donations reach enough to pay the bill, run a
script to turn off, logout.

When done by the fixed donation amount, any extra donations could be
refunded so the amount is exact each year, making
bookkeeping easy.







Adrian
 

Completely agree, the aim must surely be to do this without any further increase in hassle for the folk (and their spouses?) who put in all the effort for the benefit of us all.

If that means we pay a bit to the people who do take on that extra hassle - well that's how this world works as far as I'm concerned, so what's the problem?

Adrian

On 5/1/2018 4:28 PM, ykochcal wrote:
With a little luck and the good nature of people on this site you should end
up with good few years of funds.

And that would be a pittance compared to the value of your time and effort
of the moderators to moderate the site.

And I think we could all feel good about that.

John Griessen
 

On 05/01/2018 10:28 AM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Given that the supply of money will (for once) outstrip demand I
didn't think giving Ebay or even the tax man a cut was an issue, at
least for the first year. You'll be surprised how quickly the
generosity runs dry when you make this an annual event.

OK. So maybe we come back to a leaner way in a year or two.
Easy button it is.

Dennis did mention he didn't want extra money accumulated is the
only reason I suggested servers and scripts... and it does not require new sign ups by members.

Venmo might be good -- except for the "does not require new sign ups by members".

Looking back, "does not require new sign ups by members" did not come from Dennis...
Venmo might work. Stops extra money accumulating.
Concept matches. Just needs donators to sign up for something new.

John Griessen
 

On 05/01/2018 10:28 AM, ykochcal wrote:
So get a extra email post it with a note "first lucky 200 people can donate"
and then send them the paypal info.
This task could be handled by a volunteer separate from Dennis and John Dunn since it
is all done by receiving emails and passing out info without money passwords at all.