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Re: Tek 2215

 

Not forgetting the Vertical amp in the 7904 which has two *very* marginally
specified 1W resistors snugged right up the to the PCB, and which are almost
always out of specification.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...]
Sent: 26 January 2016 12:41
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Tek 2215

Maybe mounting such resistors directly to the board was part of the
new low-cost process Tektronix was using for the 2213/2215 scopes? All
of the boards apart from the preregulator add-on board
were
made from a single panel which was snapped apart after soldering and
all of the components had
their
leads clenched to hold them into the boards during the wave soldering
process.

Nope - the 7000 series is exactly the same. Main culprits are the x
amplifier in most, and HT resistor stack on the 7704A (Tek changed the
design of that many times - earlier versions carbonised the PCB).

Craig

Re: help wanted ..console port or service port for TDSxxx

David Thomas
 

Hi "bddich",
you need a board with a 68xxx compatible UART chip and some
decode logic to do this. From there, you will get a pretty standard
RS232 connection into Hyperterminal.

There are circuits around on the Tek site - main problem is that the
original UART they used is a bit hard to find nowadays - there are
others which I think are compatible at a register level...

I have been thinking about making one of these for myself - if I do, any
interest from the group for PCBs, or finished boards?

Best Regards

David T

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On 25/01/2016 22:54, bddicch@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Hello can someone help me out and tell me how to connect to the
console port from my tds scope.
it is the 2x10 edge connector on the processor PCB.


building an adapter to connect the RS232/Centronics board (option 13)
to that connector. required pin assigment is:

Console port -Opt Board - Signal Name
A10 - 1 (D24)
B10 - 3 (D25)
A9 - 5 (D26)
B9 - 7 (D27)
B8 - 2 (D28)
A7 - 4 (D29)
B7 - 6 (D30)
A6 - 8 (D31)

B1 - 21 (A1)
A1 - 23 (A2)
B2 - 25 (A3)
A2 - 22 (A4)
+5V 24 (A5)
GND 26 (A6)

B5 - 12 (INT#)
B4 - 15 (IOCS#)
A5 - 16 (SYSRESET#)
A4 - 17 (RNW)
+5V - 18
+5V - 11

A8 GND
B6 +5V


but these are the pins from the console port connector. My question
howto connect to this port to my laptop and open a terminal console
over the RS232 port.


any body can help me out and give more info?

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Re: Viable alternative to Yahoo

Torch Fireman
 

<lol> Ok, I get the message: Members reserve the right to bitch about the Yahoo for sport. Kind of like Canadians complaining about the weather. If the problems were fixed the sport would be spoiled.

Seriously, I do get the point about the new guy being untrusted. "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" and all. Nobody would want to make the switch and then discover the new forum disappeared overnight. There is also the consideration that this group is a well known resource with links pointing to it from many related forums -- that's how I found you. Moving would result in dead links and frustrated potential new blood. So there are some really good reasons not to move.

So I'll just ignore any further complaints about Yahoo.

(Just for the record, I've been listowner elsewhere for 14 years and website admin for a group of sites for 10. I'm just new to you guys. ;-) )

On 26/01/2016 7:05 AM, @DavidG [TekScopes] wrote:

SPOT ON , Stefan!!!

"Short story is, as much as people dislike and distrust yahoo, in the
end it turns out they distrust you even more (hard truth, I know).

And they definitely do not like change, at all.

Until yahoo croaks for good (which is likely) you are wasting your time."

Re: Viable alternative to Yahoo

stefan_trethan
 

Doesn't matter about the new guy thing, or your experience, given the
prior attempts to make things better.

You could be struck by lightning tomorrow.
It is unlikely that all the Yahoo guys are struck by lightning, no
matter how many people want that ;-).

You just have to ignore the complaints, and the regular offers to do
something about it.

ST

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Dwayne Verhey tekscopes@...
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:
<lol> Ok, I get the message: Members reserve the right to bitch about
the Yahoo for sport. Kind of like Canadians complaining about the
weather. If the problems were fixed the sport would be spoiled.

Seriously, I do get the point about the new guy being untrusted. "A bird
in the hand is worth two in the bush" and all. Nobody would want to make
the switch and then discover the new forum disappeared overnight. There
is also the consideration that this group is a well known resource with
links pointing to it from many related forums -- that's how I found you.
Moving would result in dead links and frustrated potential new blood. So
there are some really good reasons not to move.

So I'll just ignore any further complaints about Yahoo.

(Just for the record, I've been listowner elsewhere for 14 years and
website admin for a group of sites for 10. I'm just new to you guys. ;-) )


On 26/01/2016 7:05 AM, @DavidG [TekScopes] wrote:

SPOT ON , Stefan!!!

"Short story is, as much as people dislike and distrust yahoo, in the
end it turns out they distrust you even more (hard truth, I know).

And they definitely do not like change, at all.

Until yahoo croaks for good (which is likely) you are wasting your time."


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Posted by: Dwayne Verhey <tekscopes@...>
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Yahoo Groups Links


Re: Tek 2215

Jay
 

Re: Tek 2215

 

I would go over it with a soldering iron after lightly sanding the
surfaces. Assuming that you can remove it easily from the printed
circuit board, dilute HCl can be used if wetting is a problem.

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:04:28 +0100, you wrote:

You might be able to tin the sheetmetal using 60/40 solder and a big
soldering iron or a hotplate or something.
That would solve the problem for good.

(Although light brushing and painting with some acrylic laquer would
probably suffice to eliminate any issues during your lifetime).

ST

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Tothwolf tothwolf@...
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:

One other issue I noticed which I forgot to mention in my posts to the
list last year was the metal bracket that the focus control is mounted to
was showing signs of tin whisker growth in all 3 of my 2213 scopes. While
I had it and the potentiometer removed so I could replace the 6 1M ohm
resistors, I lightly abraded the surface of the bracket to knock the tin
whiskers down, but I know if I leave the plating as-is, they will without
a doubt eventually return. I am considering using electrolysis to strip
the tin plating and then replate the steel bracket with nickel. You can
just barely see eruptions in the tin plating on the right side of the
bracket in this photo, but up close, 3-5mm long tin whiskers were pretty
easy to see.

http://strudel.ignorelist.com/~tothwolf/photos/Tektronix_2213/Tektronix_2213_3/1600/IMG_9288.1600.jpg

Re: Tek 2215

Craig Sawyers <c.sawyers@...>
 

Have you guys seen this ??

Mod Kits, Parts Replacement Kits and other documents http://hakanh.com/dl/kits.htm
Hakan is one of the good guys on this list - but I actually did not know (or have forgotten) that he
had an archive of Tek data.

Craig

Re: Hello from new member w 2465A issues

Armin Schon
 

After confirming that C1016 and C018 have blown up I wonder why they would fail within seconds of each other. Is that to be expected they way this circuit works, or does it point to the failure of another component, which cause the caps to blow out?

Re: Tek 2215

 

I have but last time I looked the actual PDF files were not linked; it
was just a list.

"This modification kit contains the parts and instructions for
installing a fan system [into] a standard 7603 Oscilloscope. The fan
provides cooling for improved reliability, especially when high power
consumption plug-ins are used in the mainframe."

That's the fan I have! 7603 fan mystery solved!

Re: Hello from new member w 2465A issues

Ed Breya
 

I haven't been following this story, but if the blown caps are the main raw DC filters after the rectifiers, you should always check the rectifiers or bridge before turning it back on with fresh caps. A shorted rectifier may quickly ruin a new cap.


If you have a curve tracer, you can run up the AC input to the PS with it and get a good idea of what's going on.


Ed

Tek Type M Four Trace Preamp F.S.

Bill (Doc) Courtright
 

More house cleaning, I have a fairly nice Type M 4 trace preamp P.I., nuvistor based with a couple of tubes. It was last used about 20 years ago when I had a nice working 547. That got left behind when moving to MA but I kept the PI hoping to find another mainframe.
It is complete and in nice condition but will need detailed cleaning and cleaner on the switches as I can see that the silver plated contacts have tarnished. There is also some soot filming that cleans off easily with alcohol.
Asking $45 plus shipping from 01247 via USPS for about 5.5 lbs.
Thanks,
Bill
KB3DKS

Tek Type M Four Trace Preamp F.S.

Bill (Doc) Courtright
 

More house cleaning, I have a fairly nice Type M 4 trace preamp P.I., nuvistor based with a couple of tubes. It was last used about 20 years ago when I had a nice working 547. That got left behind when moving to MA but I kept the PI hoping to find another mainframe.
It is complete and in nice condition but will need detailed cleaning and cleaner on the switches as I can see that the silver plated contacts have tarnished. There is also some soot filming that cleans off easily with alcohol.
Asking $45 plus shipping from 01247 via USPS for about 5.5 lbs.
Thanks,
Bill
KB3DKS

Tek Type M Four Trace Preamp F.S.

Bill (Doc) Courtright
 

More house cleaning, I have a fairly nice Type M 4 trace preamp P.I., nuvistor based with a couple of tubes. It was last used about 20 years ago when I had a nice working 547. That got left behind when moving to MA but I kept the PI hoping to find another mainframe.
It is complete and in nice condition but will need detailed cleaning and cleaner on the switches as I can see that the silver plated contacts have tarnished. There is also some soot filming that cleans off easily with alcohol.
Asking $45 plus shipping from 01247 via USPS for about 5.5 lbs.
Thanks,
Bill
KB3DKS

Tek Type M Four Trace Amplifier P.I. F.S.

Bill (Doc) Courtright
 

More house cleaning, I have a fairly nice Type M 4 trace preamp P.I., nuvistor based with a couple of tubes. It was last used about 20 years ago when I had a nice working 547. That got left behind when moving to MA but I kept the PI hoping to find another mainframe.
It is complete and in nice condition but will need detailed cleaning and cleaner on the switches as I can see that the silver plated contacts have tarnished. There is also some soot filming that cleans off easily with alcohol.
Asking $45 plus shipping from 01247 via USPS for about 5.5 lbs.
Thanks,
Bill
KB3DKS

Sorry about the multiple posts.

Bill (Doc) Courtright
 

I don't know what happened but I kept receiving 'error cannot send message'
I apologize again,
Thanks,
Bill
KB3DKS

Re: Hello from new member w 2465A issues

 

The OEM caps C1016 and C1018 are made of metalized paper with plastic cases.  The cases eventually crack and become susceptible to moisture intrusion which permeates the paper, creates leakage, which creates heat.  My guess is the scope was recently submitted to high humidity without being powered.  Once power was applied both of the old caps heated rapidly and failed explosively.
The modern solution is to use plastic film caps of similar ratings.  The modern plastics are less likely to crack and if it does, the plastic film is not so susceptible to moisture intrusion.  My advice is to always replace these caps as part of the "recapping" of  24X5 series scopes. 


From: "armin.schon@... [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...>
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Hello from new member w 2465A issues

  After confirming that C1016 and C018 have blown up I wonder why they would fail within seconds of each other. Is that to be expected they way this circuit works, or does it point to the failure of another component, which cause the caps to blow out?



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Re: Hello from new member w 2465A issues

Ed Breya
 

Please disregard my previous post about raw DC filter caps. I commented earlier on the paper caps (#124531), and didn't realize this discussion was still about them. Duh.


Ed

Re: Viable alternative to Yahoo

John Griessen
 

On 01/25/2016 11:36 PM, Stefan Trethan stefan_trethan@... [TekScopes] wrote:
even
if it comes down to communicating in morse code by clicking on
advertisements.
Ha ha ha...

Re: Viable alternative to Yahoo

Jack Reynolds
 

Given the profusion of Call Signs one sees attached to signatures, a very large percentage of members would be quite comfortable using this new media. They can probably send morse faster than they can type!!
Jack Reynolds

Re: Viable alternative to Yahoo

Carl Hallberg
 

Very funny! Carl W9CJH
--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 1/26/16, jackreynolds196@... [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Viable alternative to Yahoo
To: TekScopes@...
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2016, 3:17 PM


 









Given the profusion of Call Signs one sees attached
to signatures, a very large percentage of members would be
quite comfortable using this new media. They can probably
send morse faster than they can type!!

Jack Reynolds



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