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Re: ToTok Trojan Horse!

bill K7WXW
 

for a fascinating look at the totok app, take a look at this forensics post:

https://objective-see.com/blog/blog_0x52.html

as i noted, the issue isn’t what the app hovers from your phone (because all social media apps do much the same, as do weather and other seemingly innocuous apps) it is who gets a copy of your data. tik tok? the chinese. totok? probably the UAE. facebook? the feds.

Re: Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)

Dave Brown
 

Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

 

I do not see my donation. PP Transaction 82L68361N2965683R made on Dec 31, 2019 for $20.

HTH,

Tom

On 1/18/2020 11:57 AM, Dennis Tillman W7PF wrote:
Wrapping up the TekScopes pledge drive, Michael Dunn and I are STUNNED by
your generosity and all the positive comments we received. Your
contributions have exceeded the $340 paid to Groups.io by almost 1,000%. You
sent us 203 contributions totaling $3,341.77!

We agree this is a problem that I will have to fix since it was my bright
idea. I did not realize when I sent my request for help that people would be
so generous. I wrote, "So I am asking for small contributions". What
happened was anything but "small".
Leo Bodnar, a friend, stunned me when he contributed the entire required
amount two days later. This was the first sign I should have chosen a
synonym such as "tiny" or "teeny" instead of small. It was too late at that
point. I could see there was a tsunami headed my way and I had no way to
stop it. I think the contributions have finally stopped. The last one (I
hope) arrived three days ago.

Michael and I have decided that this is far too much money for us to keep on
behalf of TekScopes. The simplest solution is for us to tear up the checks
and return all the PayPal contributions above $10.00 (actually all those
above $10.05) over the next few days, with our sincerest thanks. This will
result in exactly half of the contributions being kept and half being
returned. PayPal allows me to do a total refund very quickly; we considered
partial refunds, but the process would take much longer. If, after you
receive your refund, you would still like to make a contribution to
TekScopes, please don't send more than $10.00. If you do, we'll be forced to
spend it on wine and DMMs.

Thank You,
Dennis Tillman W7PF
Michael Dunn VA1XY

As I promised, here is every contribution I received. The four checking
account contributions are listed in numerical order by their bank account
number. Following those, the 199 PayPal contributions are listed in
numerical order by their transaction number. I double and triple checked the
PayPal notices that came to me or to my wife, Marian, to be sure I didn't
miss any. If I missed your PayPal contribution please let me know so I can
find out what happened to it. The most common contribution was $10.00 and
the average contribution was $15.94.

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Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

toby@...
 

On 2020-01-18 9:13 PM, KeepIt SimpleStupid via Groups.Io wrote:
The amounts are not much more than a magazine subscription.  Get over it.  Pay yourself for footing the past bill too.  Give yourself a little for "processing" the payments/anti-payments.  Hold onto it.

+1 hold it all in trust for the continuity of this wonderful resource.

--Toby





On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 8:12:09 PM EST, Charlie.c <ctconger@...> wrote:

Further research show that to use this feature does result in a  5% processing fee paid to group io but in my mind this is  not much given the possible convenience and the reduction in confusion.




Re: ToTok Trojan Horse!

Tam Hanna
 

Esteemed Quorum,

while I normally try to avoid off-topic posts, here I need to respond. I can still remember that my offer of sourcing some obsolete SRAM I found in Slovakia made technically challenged members believe I was trying to hack them.

Either way, here is my take on this topic as sent to another mailing list:

- - -

Hello,

and, what follows from that?

As someone who did some, um, non-civil work, let me tell you. You can never be 100% safe - you always need to assess the threat direction. If you, say, work for an antisemitic private militia, using an Iranian or DPRK-made IM program should be fine. If you, say, work for the German government, using equipment from Reciprocatingly Farting und Spying is not an issue. And so on.

The UAE is extremely friendly with the US government. The last thing they need is a large-scale bank scammer sitting in their country, especially with the situation being as politically charged as it is now in the middle east.


Sorry to be the party pooper, but I see no real reason to worry here.

Tam


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Re: What Tektronix means to me

Tam Hanna
 

Hello Tillman,

thank you for your generosity - the pics are online here, and we even got a comment already:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7e8g4njLhp/


Thanks from Budapest

Tam


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Re: ToTok Trojan Horse!

Richard R. Pope
 

Dan,
I don't use wifi, blu tooth, cell phones, or smart phones. Too many security holes. You have to intentionally download and install ToTok. It was advertised as a messaging App. Possibly 10 million people in the States installed it and maybe as many as 100 million worldwide installed it.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 1/18/2020 9:30 PM, Dan Cordova via Groups.Io wrote:
I barely started using a smartphone, had a dumbphone for years, and I refuse to carry it with me at all times, despite my wife and kids telling me to "take my phone."


On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 07:22:19 PM PST, Richard R. Pope <mechanic_2@...> wrote:
No! TikTok is a different App. ToTok is Trojan Horse that was published
by the UAE. The Apple App Store and some others had it available. Please
don't confuse the two of them. They are both bad but I believe that
ToTok is the worst of the two. My opinion. If you have it you need to
dump it and your Credit Cards and Passwords have been compromised.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 1/18/2020 9:14 PM, bill K7WXW wrote:
The app is called Tik Tok. The application is owned by a Chinese company and has approximately 500 million active users, with 150 million in China. A lawsuit has been filed in California accusing the company of illegally mining personal data from devices on which the application has been installed, whether or not the user activates it. The lawsuit alleges that the application (along with musical.ly) gathers personally identifiable information along with lists of the apps, photos, videos, contact, location lists, email addresses, and IP addresses. It does not allege theft of passwords or credit card numbers, which are typically encrypted. The data gathered is the sort of stuff that advertisers love to buy but can also be used to track a user without their knowledge. The application also apparently has flaws that make it possible for hackers to divert the data gathered to non-company owned servers. The military has banned the use of TIk Tok and other apps like it on government-issued phones due to concerns about its vulnerabilities.

If you use google, facebook, whatsapp, instagram or almost any social media app, you have given permission to the application's owner to harvest much of this data already. While there are limitations are what personally identifiable information such apps can extract (and Tik Tok allegedly ignored these limitations), the "privacy" these limits provide is largely illusory, as discussed, for example, in a NYT article published on December 19, 2019. Do I trust social media companies like Facebook, Google, etc? Nope. Is Tik Tok doing anything they aren't doing? We will see but probably not, unfortunately.












Re: ToTok Trojan Horse!

Dan Cordova
 

I barely started using a smartphone, had a dumbphone for years, and I refuse to carry it with me at all times, despite my wife and kids telling me to "take my phone."

On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 07:22:19 PM PST, Richard R. Pope <mechanic_2@...> wrote:

No! TikTok is a different App. ToTok is Trojan Horse that was published
by the UAE. The Apple App Store and some others had it available. Please
don't confuse the two of them. They are both bad but I believe that
ToTok is the worst of the two. My opinion. If you have it you need to
dump it and your Credit Cards and Passwords have been compromised.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 1/18/2020 9:14 PM, bill K7WXW wrote:
The app is called Tik Tok. The application is owned by a Chinese company and has approximately 500 million active users, with 150 million in China. A lawsuit has been filed in California accusing the company of illegally mining personal data from devices on which the application has been installed, whether or not the user activates it. The lawsuit alleges that the application (along with musical.ly) gathers personally identifiable information along with lists of the apps, photos, videos, contact, location lists, email addresses, and IP addresses. It does not allege theft of passwords or credit card numbers, which are typically encrypted.  The data gathered is the sort of stuff that advertisers love to buy but can also be used to track a user without their knowledge.  The application also apparently has flaws that make it possible for hackers to divert the data gathered to non-company owned servers. The military has banned the use of TIk Tok and other apps like it on government-issued phones due to concerns about its vulnerabilities.

If you use google, facebook, whatsapp, instagram or almost any social media app, you have given permission to the application's owner to harvest much of this data already.  While there are limitations are what personally identifiable information such apps can extract (and Tik Tok allegedly ignored these limitations), the "privacy" these limits provide is largely illusory, as discussed, for example, in a NYT article published on December 19, 2019.  Do I trust social media companies like Facebook, Google, etc? Nope. Is Tik Tok doing anything they aren't doing?  We will see but probably not, unfortunately.








ToTok Trojan Horse!

Richard R. Pope
 

No! TikTok is a different App. ToTok is Trojan Horse that was published by the UAE. The Apple App Store and some others had it available. Please don't confuse the two of them. They are both bad but I believe that ToTok is the worst of the two. My opinion. If you have it you need to dump it and your Credit Cards and Passwords have been compromised.
GOD Bless and Thanks,
rich!

On 1/18/2020 9:14 PM, bill K7WXW wrote:
The app is called Tik Tok. The application is owned by a Chinese company and has approximately 500 million active users, with 150 million in China. A lawsuit has been filed in California accusing the company of illegally mining personal data from devices on which the application has been installed, whether or not the user activates it. The lawsuit alleges that the application (along with musical.ly) gathers personally identifiable information along with lists of the apps, photos, videos, contact, location lists, email addresses, and IP addresses. It does not allege theft of passwords or credit card numbers, which are typically encrypted. The data gathered is the sort of stuff that advertisers love to buy but can also be used to track a user without their knowledge. The application also apparently has flaws that make it possible for hackers to divert the data gathered to non-company owned servers. The military has banned the use of TIk Tok and other apps like it on government-issued phones due to concerns about its vulnerabilities.

If you use google, facebook, whatsapp, instagram or almost any social media app, you have given permission to the application's owner to harvest much of this data already. While there are limitations are what personally identifiable information such apps can extract (and Tik Tok allegedly ignored these limitations), the "privacy" these limits provide is largely illusory, as discussed, for example, in a NYT article published on December 19, 2019. Do I trust social media companies like Facebook, Google, etc? Nope. Is Tik Tok doing anything they aren't doing? We will see but probably not, unfortunately.







Re: [HOswap on IO] FS: Athearn BB switcher shells

bill K7WXW
 

The app is called Tik Tok. The application is owned by a Chinese company and has approximately 500 million active users, with 150 million in China. A lawsuit has been filed in California accusing the company of illegally mining personal data from devices on which the application has been installed, whether or not the user activates it. The lawsuit alleges that the application (along with musical.ly) gathers personally identifiable information along with lists of the apps, photos, videos, contact, location lists, email addresses, and IP addresses. It does not allege theft of passwords or credit card numbers, which are typically encrypted. The data gathered is the sort of stuff that advertisers love to buy but can also be used to track a user without their knowledge. The application also apparently has flaws that make it possible for hackers to divert the data gathered to non-company owned servers. The military has banned the use of TIk Tok and other apps like it on government-issued phones due to concerns about its vulnerabilities.

If you use google, facebook, whatsapp, instagram or almost any social media app, you have given permission to the application's owner to harvest much of this data already. While there are limitations are what personally identifiable information such apps can extract (and Tik Tok allegedly ignored these limitations), the "privacy" these limits provide is largely illusory, as discussed, for example, in a NYT article published on December 19, 2019. Do I trust social media companies like Facebook, Google, etc? Nope. Is Tik Tok doing anything they aren't doing? We will see but probably not, unfortunately.

Re: What Tektronix means to me

Michael A. Terrell
 

My first use of a Tektronix scope was at Ft. Rucker in 1972 I don't
remember the model numbers, but one was a military packaged bench scope,
and the other was a battery powered that was modified to use as a TDR for
the CATV systems we used to distribute ETV and weather data. I think it was
a 323 or 324, but it's been way too long to remember. My first Tektronix
scope was the 453A that is still in my shop. I paid $400 for it in 1987 at
an Orlando surplus store. The face has 'Property of Telex' screened on the
aluminum. It had no probe, but the front cover was included. I repaired a
lot of C64 Commodore computers with it over the years.
Telex had just shut down their local office that maintained their IBM
mainframe compatible terminals so a lot of test equipment was dumped into
the local market. A few years later I was back when the surplus store's
inventory was auctioned off.

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 11:54 AM Jim Ford <james.ford@...> wrote:

Honorary Tek employee; how cool is that?!Closest I ever came to that was
an interview at HP in Palo Alto in 1988, just before I graduated from Case
Western Reserve University with a BSEE. I took the red-eye flight back to
Cleveland just in time to give my senior project presentation! They hired
another guy who had had a summer job there. I ended up working at the
Lockheed Skunk Works in Burbank after graduation and stayed there for 5
years until I got laid off.Yep, the 7854 is on my wishlist! I'd like one
for trace averaging, among other things. I understand it's possible to
reduce the effective jitter to 0 ps under certain conditions. Plus I
already have a 7B87 and am itching to connect a 10 MHz sampling clock from
my Leo Bodnar GPSDO. Why? Because I can, of course!OTOH, my experience
with my 7904, 7S12, 7S11, S-4 sampling heads, and S-51 or S-53 trigger
heads is not that great. Those things are a real PITA to get working, as
you know well. The prospect of getting a 11800 series scope with the
killer SD-24 sampling/TDR head for $1k or less is looking better and
better. I had such a setup at the 2nd Lockheed company I worked for, and I
don't recall anywhere near as much difficulty with it.We shall see how
things play out. There's always the SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed)
factor. The wife doesn't share my appreciation for vintage and modern test
equipment ("your machines" she calls them, at least to my face!).Great
chatting with you, Dennis, albeit electronically and over a fairly long
distance and timescale. JimSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Dennis Tillman W7PF <
@Dennis_Tillman_W7PF> Date: 1/16/20 12:57 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
TekScopes@groups.io Subject: Re: [TekScopes] What Tektronix means to me
Hi Jim,The job offer letter from Tektronix is laminated on a plaque where
it sits on my wall along side my diplomas. No. I never went to work at Tek.
But in a way I got to become an honorary member of Tek. I have been
embraced by everyone I meet that is a current or ExTek employee. I have
been included in their private mail reflector, I have been a member of the
vintageTEK Museum since before it opened when Stan Griffiths first took me
over to see the empty store front that would soon be its first home. The
biggest surprise was when Michael Dunn asked me to take over as moderator
of TekScopes. Why me?Usually 4 times a year I am in Beaverton visiting my
Tek friends. Somehow one of the most famous design engineers at Tek heard
about me several years ago and quite by accident I introduced myself to him
at the museum. He replied "You're Dennis Tillman!" which stunned me. He is
now one of my best friends. He is so highly regarded among ex-Tek employees
that I will often call him to arrange a lunch with someone at Tek that was
legendary. They never refuse. I have had many fascinating lunches with the
people I might have known if I had become a Tek employee. We often met for
lunch in the Tek cafeteria. Tek closed the cafeteria last month so I'm not
sure where we will have those lunches next.My favorite scope is the 7854.
When I mentioned this to Deane Kidd at a swap meet one day he said the 7854
project manager was in the next room having a bite to eat and he introduced
me to him. A few days later I asked him to autograph the cover of my 7854.
He was puzzled why I would want his autograph.Asking for autographs was
something I had started to do when I was at Microsoft. For each Software
Developer Conference I held I asked all the speakers to autograph their
section of the conference notebooks. Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer's
signatures are in them as are all the Windows developers and many of the
famous software developers of the mid-1980s that attended the
conferences.By now that 7854 cover is so full of autographs of ex-Tek
employees that I have had to switch to the other cover. When I'm all done
with the covers I will give them to the 7854 Project Manager who is now a
good friend of mine that I see every time I'm at a swap meet.Dennis Tillman
W7PF-----Original Message-----From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:
TekScopes@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim FordSent: Thursday, January 16,
2020 6:48 AMTo: TekScopes@...: Re: [TekScopes] What
Tektronix means to meHey, don't keep us in suspense, Dennis! Did you ever
get to work for Tek?Jim Ford Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy
smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Dennis Tillman W7PF <
@Dennis_Tillman_W7PF> Date: 1/15/20 10:36 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
TekScopes@groups.io Subject: Re: [TekScopes] What Tektronix means to me
Hi Harvey,Yes, there is no simple solution to things being too far away but
saying "I never expect to go there" (to the Tek Museum) is not the best way
to start out if your goal is to get there. You never know what you ae
capable of until you try. On more than one occasion I decided to hitch hike
cross country from New Jersey to LA and up to San Francisco. Along the way
I stopped at the St. Louis Gateway Arch, Grand Canyon, Mt Palomar to see
the telescope, and the meteor crater in Arizona. On another trip down to
the Keys I stopped at the new Disney World in Orlando. I've been to Mardi
Gras three times.I had an offer to join Tek in 1968 when I was starting my
junior year in college. But they recommended that I get my degree first and
assured me that the job would still be there when I did. Life took me in a
different direction by the time I got my BS E.E. degree. For the next 20
years I regretted that mistake. Instead I moved into a beach front
apartment on the New Jersey shore and, to my surprise, I became a stained
glass artist and beach comer and I went back to college, this time for a BA
in Fine Arts. When I first heard it was possible to build a computer (a
childhood dream of mine) I changed direction again and began building my
own S-100 microcomputer. There were very few people doing that so I quickly
found a job working on microcomputers. Eventually I became frustrated
because I didn't understand software. That became my next challenge. Once I
learned microcomputer programming I thought it would be smart to broaden my
computer background with some mainframe experience. When I tried to do that
I found out very few head hunters even knew what a microcomputer was. They
were focused on filling the thousands of jobs available in the mainframe
world. So I spent the next 6 months trying to get a mainframe job with no
success. Eventually I was hired by an IBM 370 based time sharing company
which saw there was an opportunity linking microcomputers to mainframes.
That exposed me to IBM's premier operating system: Multiple Virtual Systems
(MVS) and the many different IBM operating systems and applications that
worked under MVS. Three years later someone recommended me for a job with
Digital Research, the creator of CP/M (which I knew well), the industry
standard 8-bit OS on microcomputers. Four years later that led to a job at
Microsoft which I was desperate to get because it would finally bring me to
the Pacific Northwest (Tektronix territory) where I would have been 20
years earlier if I had joined Tek. After 3 years at Microsoft it became
clear I had the wrong background. They had their pick of graduating
students with an MS in Computer Science or an MBA. So I went back to
college a third time for an MS in Software Engineering. While I was getting
that degree, Microsoft went from 500 people which was small enough that I
knew almost everyone too many thousands of people. I don't like big
companies and there were other opportunities for me now that I had an MS
S.E.If you are on the other side of the earth and looking at a very small
map it may appear that Microsoft (a few miles from Seattle), and Tektronix
(a few miles from Portland) are right next to each other. It is a boring 3
1/2 hour trip to get there. Sphere Research is more than twice as far. On
more than one occasion I decided to hitch hike cross country from New
Jersey to LA and up to San Francisco. Along the way I stopped at the St.
Louis Gateway Arch, Grand Canyon, Mt Palomar (to see the telescope), and
the meteor crater in Arizona. On another trip down to the Keys and Key West
I stopped at the new Disney World in Orlando. I've been to Mardi Gras three
times. You shouldn't say things like I never expect to get there. It sounds
like you really want to go. If you can make it to Seattle you have a place
to stay with us. Portland is a train ride away. Beaverton is accesable by
light rail from Portland. Dennis Tillman W7PF-----Original
Message-----From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On
Behalf Of Harvey WhiteSent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:28 PMTo:
TekScopes@...: Re: [TekScopes] What Tektronix means to meI
understand what you say, parallel to an extent, not congruent
experiences.The Tek museum is 3000 miles from me, and I never expect to go
there.Might we have something on the east coast?(and yes, I'm annoyed that
Sphere's "free" days are even further fromme.) Still would like to find a
214 vertical amplifier board because mine has a bad channel A attenuator,
not that I've asked before.)HarveyOn 1/15/2020 5:15 PM, Dennis Tillman W7PF
wrote:> Like everyone here I have created a problem my wife will have to
deal with when I am no longer around. She has the phone number of the
vintageTEK Museum on our refrigerator. Problem solved.>> Now that that's
out of the way I'm not concerned with recyclers and what will come of my
stuff. I plan on enjoying the afterlife with a Tek 214 portable dual-trace
storage scope in my coffin. The Egyptians had the right idea. Take what you
can with you when you go.>> Tektronix gives me a reason to get up every
day. I can explore anything in electronics with the instruments they
designed. I am the beneficiary of the legacy of Tektronix; the standard of
excellence they strove for; and the support they provided for their
products.>> IN 1967 I bought my first Tek scope, a 453, new for $2,000.
What I learned in the next two years by using that scope every night
propelled me to the top of my class. That was the best investment I ever
made. Tektronix instruments were investments in my future. 10 years later I
bought a 7704A / 7A26 / 7B80 / 7B85 and a pair of P6106 probes for $7,000.
I went into debt to do this because I knew it would pay off for me just
like my 453 had. Two years later I bought a 7D01 / DF2 / DL2 for another
$4,000 to study microcomputers. I eagerly learned microcomputer assembly
language to control the microcomputer hardware I was designing. The next 10
years I had a very rewarding career in microcomputers, mainframes,
operating systems, and software marketing.>> Several totally unexpected
things happened starting in the late 1990s that were to enrich my life yet
again. EBay gave me a way to buy all of the Tektronix instruments I could
never afford back in the 1970s. In 2000 Michael Dunn started TekScopes and
I joined 2 years later. Suddenly I was not alone. I had a vast resource of
expertise to help me fix all the Tek instruments I was buying on eBay. 10
years ago Stan Griffiths and Ed Sinclair started the vintageTEK Museum as a
showcase for all the things Tektronix had made possible. The museum is
preserving the Tek legacy for the benefit of all of us. Last but not least
we have our own specialized Wikipedia. TekWiki has become THE professional
repository of Tektronix documents thanks to the tireless work of Kurt
Rosenfeld. Working long hours alone, into the night, feeding every Tek
document he can find into scanners. He has single-handedly assembled those
papers, manuals, photographs, and comments into a beautiful, easy to use,
library at our finger tips. TekWiki is every bit that is the rival of
Wikipedia.>> I'm too busy using my collection of Tek instruments to dwell
on what will happen to it someday. Because of Tektronix, eBay, TekScopes,
the vintageTEK museum, and TekWiki my life is never dull when a Tektronix
scope is within arm's reach.>> Dennis Tillman W7PF>>>-- Dennis Tillman
W7PFTekScopes Moderator-- Dennis Tillman W7PFTekScopes Moderator


TDS3014 -> TDS3054

David Kuhn
 

I purchased a TDS3014/GPIB module off of EBAY for $1000.00. It came with a
scope cover, scope probes, printed manuals, CDs (worthless, but cool), an
NI USB to GPIB Adaptor, bunch of various BNC adaptors, 2 or 3 BNC to clip
leads, six pomona BNC-BNC cables (I was about to order more), etc.

I just successfully upgraded it to a TDS3054 500MHz 5GS/s four channel
scope.

I am thrilled. I do love these damn 20 year old TDS3000 series scopes!!

Dave

Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

KeepIt SimpleStupid
 

The amounts are not much more than a magazine subscription.  Get over it.  Pay yourself for footing the past bill too.  Give yourself a little for "processing" the payments/anti-payments.  Hold onto it.

On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 8:12:09 PM EST, Charlie.c <ctconger@...> wrote:

Further research show that to use this feature does result in a  5% processing fee paid to group io but in my mind this is  not much given the possible convenience and the reduction in confusion.

Re: What Tektronix means to me

Harvey White
 

I seem to remember teaching an assembly language (or C) language variety of this problem.  You needed to implement a main-street side street  traffic light solution.  Lots of timing to be done. We implemented it as a state machine with delays.

Harvey

On 1/18/2020 2:19 AM, Dave Seiter wrote:
I took an assembly language class once where we had to build a working traffic light simulator for a normal intersection using a very simple assembler.  One of the primary objectives was understanding the cycle counts of commands and how they related to the micro's timing.  We discovered that published data is not always correct...
-Dave
On Friday, January 17, 2020, 07:34:48 PM PST, Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:
Software is a series of instructions to an idiot, which follows them as
exactly as it can interpret them.

You need to understand what the instructions do.

You need to understand what the instructions were supposed to do.

You need to understand what the instructions REALLY do.

You need to understand the difference between the last two items.

and yes, you need to understand the instructions.

Harvey



On 1/17/2020 4:52 PM, Abc Xyz wrote:
"Eventually I became frustrated because I didn't understand software." ...
Sounds like me!

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020, 11:15 AM Jim Ford <james.ford@...> wrote:

Crap, Dennis, now you make me want a 7854 even more!  Fortunately I know
several people who will gladly sell me one when the time comes.  Got to
satisfy my frequency domain cravings first.I'm chuckling that HW jocks
would fear the internal Tek SW language!  The one and only time I wrote
software for a living was the summer of 1987 when I worked in a medical
research lab at CWRU.  They had an Apple ][ with 8 inch floppy drives, and
it was ancient even back then.  Turns out Apple stored the program lines
just adjacent to the "hi-res" graphics page.  So as I added features to the
data acquisition program I was writing, I got to the point where these
strange lines appeared on the screen!  A different way of collapsing under
its own weight!  And one sure way to curtail scope creep.Great
story!JimSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Dennis Tillman W7PF <
@Dennis_Tillman_W7PF> Date: 1/16/20  3:36 PM  (GMT-08:00) To:
TekScopes@groups.io Subject: Re: [TekScopes] What Tektronix means to me
The 7854 is both analog (400MHz) and digital. It combines the best of both
worlds.As the very first digital lab scope they did many things that were
ground breaking. Start with the fact that the 7000 series was designed
before the concept of digital scopes could even have be conceived of. It
would have been understandable if the already released 7000 plugins were
not compatible with it but they all work just fine. The 7854 design team
chose to use 10-bit samples when everyone else settled on 8-bits because it
was more efficient and less complicated. 10-bit samples make for a much
SMOOTHER display of stored traces. It has an astounding vector processing
software language built into it that terrified hardware EEs. Tek quickly
removed any reference to it from their marketing materials when they got
negative feedback about this from potential customers. In 1980 nearly 100%
of all hardware engineers viewed programming as black magic. This built in
language for processing waveforms was revolutionary. It is unfortunate that
this was developed decades before engineers were willing and able to use
anything like it. It was the first scope with a GPIB interface so you could
talk to it. I wrote an extensive program in 1993 in MSDOS Quick Basic that
allowed me to do anything I wanted with my 7854. It took advantage of the
GPIB interface to read and store waveforms on disk or to write waveforms
back to the 7854 for later display. I wrote programs using the external
keyboard and ran the programs on the 7854 or saved them for later use on
disk. I could write 20 lines of text on the 7854 CRT. My software
automatically calculated and displayed dozens of parameters about any
waveform I captured and displayed them on my PC monitor alongside the
waveform. As do most BASIC programs it eventually grew so complicated it
collapsed under its own weight when I could no longer keep track of the
interactions between different sections of it.Since I knew you would ask
what did the results looks like I put six waveforms I captured with it (and
all the parameters it calculated) up on TekScopes photo section. They are
in: https://groups.io/g/TekScopes/album?id=238613Dennis Tillman
W7PF-----Original Message-----From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:
TekScopes@groups.io] On Behalf Of Abc XyzSent: Thursday, January 16, 2020
1:29 PMTo: TekScopes@...: Re: [TekScopes] What Tektronix
means to meDennis, I'm curious...of all the Scopes you have been exposed to
you say the 7854 is your Favorite. Why is that? JROn Thu, Jan 16, 2020,
12:57 PM Dennis Tillman W7PF <@Dennis_Tillman_W7PF>wrote:> Hi Jim,> The
job offer letter from Tektronix is laminated on a plaque where it > sits on
my wall along side my diplomas. No. I never went to work at > Tek. But in a
way I got to become an honorary member of Tek.>> I have been embraced by
everyone I meet that is a current or ExTek > employee. I have been included
in their private mail reflector, I have > been a member of the vintageTEK
Museum since before it opened when > Stan Griffiths first took me over to
see the empty store front that > would soon be its first home.>> The
biggest surprise was when Michael Dunn asked me to take over as > moderator
of TekScopes. Why me?>> Usually 4 times a year I am in Beaverton visiting
my Tek friends. > Somehow one of the most famous design engineers at Tek
heard about me > several years ago and quite by accident I introduced
myself to him at > the museum. He replied "You're Dennis Tillman!" which
stunned me. He > is now one of my best friends. He is so highly regarded
among ex-Tek > employees that I will often call him to arrange a lunch with
someone > at Tek that was legendary. They never refuse. I have had many >
fascinating lunches with the people I might have known if I had become > a
Tek employee. We often met for lunch in the Tek cafeteria. Tek > closed the
cafeteria last month so I'm not sure where we will have those lunches
next.>> My favorite scope is the 7854. When I mentioned this to Deane Kidd
at > a swap meet one day he said the 7854 project manager was in the next >
room having a bite to eat and he introduced me to him. A few days > later I
asked him to autograph the cover of my 7854. He was puzzled > why I would
want his autograph.>> Asking for autographs was something I had started to
do when I was at > Microsoft. For each Software Developer Conference I held
I asked all > the speakers to autograph their section of the conference
notebooks. > Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer's signatures are in them as are
all the > Windows developers and many of the famous software developers of
the > mid-1980s that attended the conferences.>> By now that 7854 cover is
so full of autographs of ex-Tek employees > that I have had to switch to
the other cover. When I'm all done with > the covers I will give them to
the 7854 Project Manager who is now a > good friend of mine that I see
every time I'm at a swap meet.>> Dennis Tillman W7PF>> -----Original
Message-----> From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On
Behalf Of > Jim Ford> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 6:48 AM> To:
TekScopes@groups.io> Subject: Re: [TekScopes] What Tektronix means to
me>> Hey, don't keep us in suspense, Dennis!  Did you ever get to work for
Tek?Jim Ford Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone> --------
Original message --------From: Dennis Tillman W7PF < > @Dennis_Tillman_W7PF>
Date: 1/15/20  10:36 PM  (GMT-08:00) To:> TekScopes@groups.io Subject:
Re: [TekScopes] What Tektronix means to > me Hi Harvey,Yes, there is no
simple solution to things being too far > away but saying "I never expect
to go there" (to the Tek Museum) is > not the best way to start out if your
goal is to get there. You never > know what you ae capable of until you
try. On more than one occasion I > decided to hitch hike cross country from
New Jersey to LA and up to > San Francisco. Along the way I stopped at the
St. Louis Gateway Arch, > Grand Canyon, Mt Palomar to see the telescope,
and the meteor crater > in Arizona. On another trip down to the Keys I
stopped at the new > Disney World in Orlando. I've been to Mardi Gras three
times.I had an > offer to join Tek in 1968 when I was starting my junior
year in > college. But they recommended that I get my degree first and
assured > me that the job would still be there when I did. Life took me in
a > different direction by the time I got my BS E.E. degree. For the next >
20 years I regretted that mistake. Instead I moved into a beach front >
apartment on the New Jersey shore and, to my surprise, I became a > stained
glass artist and beach comer and I went back to college, this > time for a
BA in Fine Arts. When I first heard it was possible to > build a computer
(a childhood dream of mine) I changed direction again > and began building
my own S-100 microcomputer. There were very few > people doing that so I
quickly found a job working on microcomputers. > Eventually I became
frustrated because I didn't understand software. > That became my next
challenge. Once I learned microcomputer > programming I thought it would be
smart to broaden my computer > background with some mainframe experience.
When I tried to do that I > found out very few head hunters even knew what
a microcomputer was. > They were focused on filling the thousands of jobs
available in the > mainframe world. So I spent the next 6 months trying to
get a mainframe job with no success. Eventually I was hired by an IBM 370
based time sharing company which saw there was an opportunity linking
microcomputers to mainframes.> That exposed me to IBM's premier operating
system: Multiple Virtual > Systems> (MVS) and the many different IBM
operating systems and applications > that worked under MVS. Three years
later someone recommended me for a > job with Digital Research, the creator
of CP/M (which I knew well), > the industry standard 8-bit OS on
microcomputers. Four years later > that led to a job at Microsoft which I
was desperate to get because it > would finally bring me to the Pacific
Northwest (Tektronix territory) > where I would have been 20 years earlier
if I had joined Tek. After 3 > years at Microsoft it became clear I had the
wrong background. They > had their pick of graduating students with an MS
in Computer Science > or an MBA. So I went back to college a third time for
an MS in > Software Engineering. While I was getting that degree, Microsoft
went > from 500 people which was small enough that I knew almost everyone
too > many thousands of people. I don't like big companies and there were >
other opportunities for me now that I had an MS S.E.If you are on the >
other side of the earth and looking at a very small map it may appear >
that Microsoft (a few miles from Seattle), and Tektronix (a few miles >
from Portland) are right next to each other. It is a boring 3> 1/2 hour
trip to get there. Sphere Research is more than twice as far. > On more
than one occasion I decided to hitch hike cross country from > New Jersey
to LA and up to San Francisco. Along the way I stopped at the St.> Louis
Gateway Arch, Grand Canyon, Mt Palomar (to see the telescope), > and the
meteor crater in Arizona. On another trip down to the Keys and > Key West I
stopped at the new Disney World in Orlando. I've been to > Mardi Gras three
times. You shouldn't say things like I never expect > to get there. It
sounds like you really want to go. If you can make it > to Seattle you have
a place to stay with us. Portland is a train ride > away. Beaverton is
accesable by light rail from Portland. Dennis > Tillman W7PF-----Original>
Message-----From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On >
Behalf Of Harvey WhiteSent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:28 PMTo:>
TekScopes@...: Re: [TekScopes] What Tektronix means to > meI
understand what you say, parallel to an extent, not congruent >
experiences.The Tek museum is 3000 miles from me, and I never expect > to
go there.Might we have something on the east coast?(and yes, I'm > annoyed
that Sphere's "free" days are even further fromme.)  Still > would like to
find a> 214 vertical amplifier board because mine has a bad channel A >
attenuator, not that I've asked before.)HarveyOn 1/15/2020 5:15 PM, >
Dennis Tillman W7PF wrote:> Like everyone here I have created a > problem
my wife will have to deal with when I am no longer around. She > has the
phone number of the vintageTEK Museum on our refrigerator. > Problem
solved.>> Now that that's out of the way I'm not concerned > with recyclers
and what will come of my stuff. I plan on enjoying the > afterlife with a
Tek 214 portable dual-trace storage scope in my > coffin. The Egyptians had
the right idea. Take what you can with you > when you go.>> Tektronix gives
me a reason to get up every day. I can > explore anything in electronics
with the instruments they designed. I > am the beneficiary of the legacy of
Tektronix; the standard of > excellence they strove for; and the support
they provided for their products.>> IN 1967 I bought my first Tek scope, a
453, new for $2,000.> What I learned in the next two years by using that
scope every night > propelled me to the top of my class. That was the best
investment I > ever made. Tektronix instruments were investments in my
future. 10 > years later I bought a 7704A / 7A26 / 7B80 / 7B85 and a pair
of P6106 probes for $7,000.> I went into debt to do this because I knew it
would pay off for me > just like my 453 had. Two years later I bought a
7D01 / DF2 / DL2 for > another> $4,000 to study microcomputers. I eagerly
learned microcomputer > assembly language to control the microcomputer
hardware I was > designing. The next 10 years I had a very rewarding career
in > microcomputers, mainframes, operating systems, and software >
marketing.>> Several totally unexpected things happened starting in > the
late 1990s that were to enrich my life yet again. EBay gave me a > way to
buy all of the Tektronix instruments I could never afford back > in the
1970s. In 2000 Michael Dunn started TekScopes and I joined 2 > years later.
Suddenly I was not alone. I had a vast resource of > expertise to help me
fix all the Tek instruments I was buying on eBay. > 10 years ago Stan
Griffiths and Ed Sinclair started the vintageTEK > Museum as a showcase for
all the things Tektronix had made possible.> The museum is preserving the
Tek legacy for the benefit of all of us. > Last but not least we have our
own specialized Wikipedia. TekWiki has > become THE professional repository
of Tektronix documents thanks to > the tireless work of Kurt Rosenfeld.
Working long hours alone, into > the night, feeding every Tek document he
can find into scanners. He > has single-handedly assembled those papers,
manuals, photographs, and > comments into a beautiful, easy to use, library
at our finger tips. > TekWiki is every bit that is the rival of
Wikipedia.>> I'm too busy > using my collection of Tek instruments to dwell
on what will happen to > it someday. Because of Tektronix, eBay, TekScopes,
the vintageTEK > museum, and TekWiki my life is never dull when a Tektronix
scope is > within arm's reach.>> Dennis Tillman W7PF>>>-- Dennis Tillman >
W7PFTekScopes Moderator>>>>>> --> Dennis Tillman W7PF> TekScopes
Moderator>> >>-- Dennis Tillman W7PFTekScopes Moderator





Re: 2445 EPROMs

Harvey White
 

And I don't know all that much about the 2445/2465.  So I have no idea if they ever used signature analysis in those scopes. However, throughout the TM500 (with CPU) and the TM5000 series, I have seen signature analysis numbers, at least on the ones I have.  Haven't gone too deeply into some of the HP gear, so even though they had a signature analysis tool (5005B for me), can't say which HP equipment there is.

Some work can be done to get an idea of what the signature might be on unknown nodes, but I'm not sure how to do that.  Never needed to do so.

Harvey

On 1/18/2020 4:05 PM, Mark Litwack wrote:
NOP + signature analysis was prevalent for servicing HP gear from that era, but I'm not aware of any signature procedures created for the 2445/2465. (If there is, please share!)

Even without signature analysis, the NOP exerciser in any equipment is a great mode for examining proper functioning of the address lines, decode logic, and other signals related to the processor. All you need is a scope.

-mark

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:34 AM, Harvey White wrote:

that no-op sequence is used for signature analysis.

Harvey


On 1/17/2020 9:47 AM, Mark Litwack wrote:
Hi Chuck and Chris,

The external clock input on the 6802 is divided internally by four to create
an internal two-phase clock (one phase is output as signal "E"). So, with a
5MHz input, the cycle time is actually 800ns, which well within range of the
Intel D27128 with 250ns access time I mentioned before.
There is also the NOP exerciser which can be enabled with jumper P503. This
is good for getting to the bottom of possible processor and/or bus buffer
issues by looking at E, address lines, and other signals as the processor is
looping. Its operation is described in the service manual.
I do recall one instance of a bad processor, but granted, they are rare.

-mark



Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Charlie.c
 

Further research show that to use this feature does result in a 5% processing fee paid to group io but in my mind this is not much given the possible convenience and the reduction in confusion.

Re: Using U-ship for shipping scopes?

Richard R. Pope
 

Hello all,
This is why I offer a very special service. I will pick up any legal item anywhere in the lower 48 and deliver it to anywhere else in the lower 48 for $1/per mile coming and going. No additional boxing is needed for I will carry in my private automobile and it will always be in a climate controlled environment. Not too hot and not too cold. Yes, it is expensive but you will receive it in the same the condition that I receive it when I pick it up. Something to think about!
GOD Bless and Thanks,
Richard R. Pope
1230 19th Street #5
Reedsburg, WI 53959
608-768-7448
mechanic_2@...

On 1/18/2020 7:05 PM, Jamie Ostrowski wrote:
I was looking at shipping up 3 500 series scopes from Texas to here in
Minnesota for a buddy of mine and someone sent me a bid of $250 from u-ship
to transport all three of them in a van wrapped in moving blankets within
the next 5 days. Sounds reasonable, but it's up to my buddy if he wants to
go through with it.

One advantage I see to this platform is that each shipper has a ratings
system so they have a vested interest in protecting the equipment
carefully, unlike other shipment companies where any one item is handled by
who knows how many people in the chain behind a giant wall of obscurity.

The model seems really sound. I can see how someone could load up a small
van with enough packages to make a decent amount for the job. I think it
will be interesting to see how things play out for them as a company and
whether or not it becomes more popular or not.



On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:25 PM Jean-Paul <jonpaul@...> wrote:

Jamie: We NEVER buy/sell out of EU/USA mainland. Scopes are the most
easily damaged, CRT, LCD delicate front panel switches etc.

Uship, Relais Mondial etc are all notorious.

We use ONLY Fed Ex or UPS or DHL, scopes need super packaging double
-triple wall boxes etc.

Count on a cost shipping a scope or large instrument $200-1000
depending on weight, box size, distance, etc.

Easier to just not bid and wait for another.

Good luck,

Jon



Re: Using U-ship for shipping scopes?

Jamie Ostrowski
 

I was looking at shipping up 3 500 series scopes from Texas to here in
Minnesota for a buddy of mine and someone sent me a bid of $250 from u-ship
to transport all three of them in a van wrapped in moving blankets within
the next 5 days. Sounds reasonable, but it's up to my buddy if he wants to
go through with it.

One advantage I see to this platform is that each shipper has a ratings
system so they have a vested interest in protecting the equipment
carefully, unlike other shipment companies where any one item is handled by
who knows how many people in the chain behind a giant wall of obscurity.

The model seems really sound. I can see how someone could load up a small
van with enough packages to make a decent amount for the job. I think it
will be interesting to see how things play out for them as a company and
whether or not it becomes more popular or not.

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:25 PM Jean-Paul <jonpaul@...> wrote:

Jamie: We NEVER buy/sell out of EU/USA mainland. Scopes are the most
easily damaged, CRT, LCD delicate front panel switches etc.

Uship, Relais Mondial etc are all notorious.

We use ONLY Fed Ex or UPS or DHL, scopes need super packaging double
-triple wall boxes etc.

Count on a cost shipping a scope or large instrument $200-1000
depending on weight, box size, distance, etc.

Easier to just not bid and wait for another.

Good luck,

Jon



Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Charlie.c
 

I believe groups io has a facility to accept donations. It is not clear to me whether this is for our group or for groups io in general.
Perhaps this may be a better way to accept contributions to support the use of the site.

Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Kerry Burns
 

Hello Dennis

Good to see this group is so well valued and supported. Just thought I should let you know that I couldn't see my $10 on the list - paypal transaction 5UE83392FH234861P dated 31 December.

Regards

Kerry Burns
Hobart Tasmania
Australia

On 19/1/20, 3:57 am, "Dennis Tillman W7PF" <TekScopes@groups.io on behalf of @Dennis_Tillman_W7PF> wrote:

Wrapping up the TekScopes pledge drive, Michael Dunn and I are STUNNED by
your generosity and all the positive comments we received. Your
contributions have exceeded the $340 paid to Groups.io by almost 1,000%. You
sent us 203 contributions totaling $3,341.77!

We agree this is a problem that I will have to fix since it was my bright
idea. I did not realize when I sent my request for help that people would be
so generous. I wrote, "So I am asking for small contributions". What
happened was anything but "small".

Leo Bodnar, a friend, stunned me when he contributed the entire required
amount two days later. This was the first sign I should have chosen a
synonym such as "tiny" or "teeny" instead of small. It was too late at that
point. I could see there was a tsunami headed my way and I had no way to
stop it. I think the contributions have finally stopped. The last one (I
hope) arrived three days ago.

Michael and I have decided that this is far too much money for us to keep on
behalf of TekScopes. The simplest solution is for us to tear up the checks
and return all the PayPal contributions above $10.00 (actually all those
above $10.05) over the next few days, with our sincerest thanks. This will
result in exactly half of the contributions being kept and half being
returned. PayPal allows me to do a total refund very quickly; we considered
partial refunds, but the process would take much longer. If, after you
receive your refund, you would still like to make a contribution to
TekScopes, please don't send more than $10.00. If you do, we'll be forced to
spend it on wine and DMMs.

Thank You,
Dennis Tillman W7PF
Michael Dunn VA1XY

As I promised, here is every contribution I received. The four checking
account contributions are listed in numerical order by their bank account
number. Following those, the 199 PayPal contributions are listed in
numerical order by their transaction number. I double and triple checked the
PayPal notices that came to me or to my wife, Marian, to be sure I didn't
miss any. If I missed your PayPal contribution please let me know so I can
find out what happened to it. The most common contribution was $10.00 and
the average contribution was $15.94.

CHECKING ACCOUNT
0000*255 $50.00 TO BE REFUNDED
0035*054 $20.00 TO BE REFUNDED
4650*2065 $50.00 TO BE REFUNDED
9179*1067 $50.00 TO BE REFUNDED

PAYPAL TRANSACTION
02079*******9581B $10.00
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05P54*******33704 $20.00 TO BE REFUNDED
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0FX24*******0225D $12.61 TO BE REFUNDED
0GH61*******5321H $10.00
0H164*******7324J $5.00
0HP31*******79205 $10.00
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0XD49*******99831 $10.00
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10F89*******59157 $20.00 TO BE REFUNDED
11D81*******1581M $25.00 TO BE REFUNDED
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16621*******82104 $20.00 TO BE REFUNDED
16T81*******89037 $21.00 TO BE REFUNDED
16U30*******4884J $10.00
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1C179*******04615 $10.00
1C830*******8112P $10.00
1KB10*******35308 $10.00
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1SF61*******75325 $6.28
1U469*******7321A $10.00
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2BB60*******7284T $10.05
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2CF51*******55300 $10.00
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30988*******3613G $10.00
31532*******3440H $25.00 TO BE REFUNDED
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37611*******3481X $30.28 TO BE REFUNDED
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3C222*******60057 $5.00
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3U066*******6064R $10.00
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43V15*******1315P $30.00 TO BE REFUNDED
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4C132*******25402 $20.78 TO BE REFUNDED
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4GU02*******14949 $10.00
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52Y94*******9314H $10.00
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54264*******83607 $20.00 TO BE REFUNDED
54350*******3123J $10.00
56419*******9740B $10.68 TO BE REFUNDED
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62172*******4981K $10.03
62762*******2074B REFUNDED
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