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Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Petru Ulici
 

Hello, Dennis and Michael
Just try to reconsider your decision to return the amount.
Arguments:I think that the fees for the transaction (transfer + return) is not returnable, it will only be Paypal profit.You will spend a lot of time to return the amountThe group tax will definitely increase in the next years.In the future, probably the group will exceed the reserved space and there will be additional costs.All participants do this from hearts and consider this to be one of the best investments.The transfer of  $50 may be less financial effort than $5 from the other member.Everyone trusts you and Michael Dunn.I personally suggest that you and your wife (and Michael, too) spend something for a romantic dinner. This way, we can partially compensate the time spent for this group, not with your family. I think everyone agrees, your contribution to this group is wonderful.
Petru

On Monday, January 20, 2020, 01:59:47 AM GMT+2, Phillip Potter <p.potter@...> wrote:

Soooo, do what others suggest, nice dinner for you, Michael, and your
wives!!!

Phil

On 1/19/2020 1:43 PM, Siggi wrote:
Hey Denis,

looks like many people have reported they don't see their PayPal
transaction IDs in your log. I'm going to guess that PayPal assigns
different transaction IDs for each end of the transaction, at least in the
case where there are fees to pay and/or a currency exchange to be made.

Siggi

Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Dave Brown
 

Dennis
Would prefer you just hang onto the money- you'll need it next time anyway.
International xfers thru paypal always cost something nowadays-best to keep it for next time.
DaveB, NZ

Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Phillip Potter
 

Soooo, do what others suggest, nice dinner for you, Michael, and your wives!!!

Phil

On 1/19/2020 1:43 PM, Siggi wrote:
Hey Denis,

looks like many people have reported they don't see their PayPal
transaction IDs in your log. I'm going to guess that PayPal assigns
different transaction IDs for each end of the transaction, at least in the
case where there are fees to pay and/or a currency exchange to be made.

Siggi

Re: Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)

Tony Fleming
 

Where is the calculator?
I do not want the virus one - someone said that one downloadable calculator
was a virus or bad calculator....
Thank you very much.
Tony

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 9:15 AM Roger Evans via Groups.Io <very_fuzzy_logic=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Albert,

Thanks for pointing that out, the calculator is quite different to what I
had imagined. I thought the resistance would increase in the clockwise
direction and each pot would just be connected as a two terminal variable
resistor. That does rely on having a good approximation to a square law
for the taper of the pot. As you pointed out the resistance increases ccw
and I can't see immediately why the maths works for the combination of
fixed resistor in parallel with the three terminal connected pot. It might
be a rather clever piece of algebra or an approximation that is good enough
for the intended application.

Roger



Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Siggi
 

Hey Denis,

looks like many people have reported they don't see their PayPal
transaction IDs in your log. I'm going to guess that PayPal assigns
different transaction IDs for each end of the transaction, at least in the
case where there are fees to pay and/or a currency exchange to be made.

Siggi

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 11:57 AM Dennis Tillman W7PF <@Dennis_Tillman_W7PF>
wrote:

Wrapping up the TekScopes pledge drive, Michael Dunn and I are STUNNED by
your generosity and all the positive comments we received. Your
contributions have exceeded the $340 paid to Groups.io by almost 1,000%.
You
sent us 203 contributions totaling $3,341.77!

We agree this is a problem that I will have to fix since it was my bright
idea. I did not realize when I sent my request for help that people would
be
so generous. I wrote, "So I am asking for small contributions". What
happened was anything but "small".

Leo Bodnar, a friend, stunned me when he contributed the entire required
amount two days later. This was the first sign I should have chosen a
synonym such as "tiny" or "teeny" instead of small. It was too late at that
point. I could see there was a tsunami headed my way and I had no way to
stop it. I think the contributions have finally stopped. The last one (I
hope) arrived three days ago.

Michael and I have decided that this is far too much money for us to keep
on
behalf of TekScopes. The simplest solution is for us to tear up the checks
and return all the PayPal contributions above $10.00 (actually all those
above $10.05) over the next few days, with our sincerest thanks. This will
result in exactly half of the contributions being kept and half being
returned. PayPal allows me to do a total refund very quickly; we considered
partial refunds, but the process would take much longer. If, after you
receive your refund, you would still like to make a contribution to
TekScopes, please don't send more than $10.00. If you do, we'll be forced
to
spend it on wine and DMMs.

Thank You,
Dennis Tillman W7PF
Michael Dunn VA1XY

As I promised, here is every contribution I received. The four checking
account contributions are listed in numerical order by their bank account
number. Following those, the 199 PayPal contributions are listed in
numerical order by their transaction number. I double and triple checked
the
PayPal notices that came to me or to my wife, Marian, to be sure I didn't
miss any. If I missed your PayPal contribution please let me know so I can
find out what happened to it. The most common contribution was $10.00 and
the average contribution was $15.94.

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--
Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator



Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Paul Amaranth
 

I concur. Consider it an appreciation award from the members of Tekscopes :-)

Paul

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 01:17:54PM -0800, Errick wrote:
A nice dinner for two $250
A couple of bottles of wine $100
Taking care of TekScopes, Priceless!
Dennis and Michael should: Put some of the money in your wallets.
--
Paul Amaranth, GCIH | Manchester MI, USA
Aurora Group of Michigan, LLC | Security, Systems & Software
paul@... | Unix & Windows

Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Errick
 

A nice dinner for two $250
A couple of bottles of wine $100
Taking care of TekScopes, Priceless!
Dennis and Michael should: Put some of the money in your wallets.

Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Richard in Edenton NC
 

Dennis, I did not see mine in the list.

January 1st for $20.00

3SH79206CC5260117 via PayPal

I don't need it back. Please put it in a savings account aside for the future of the group. Or donate to a local ham club. Glad the group is here and I learn lots and enjoy it much.

73 Richard W4MCD

Re: 465 (Late S/N) Timing Board (A7) 670-3467-00?

DaveH52
 

Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

DaveH52
 

Maybe ask for just one dollar next time.
Enjoy your new DMM!

Re: Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)

Albert Otten
 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 09:07 PM, Leo Bodnar wrote:


It's not intuitive but if you do the math it is, indeed works out perfectly
linear - assuming the trim pots are set to the value of 50R.
Whoever designed it, deserves to be an employee of the month.
These days such a gadget would have at least some duino inside it.
Leo
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 05:28 PM, Albert Otten wrote:
Actually the math appears to be surprisingly simple and in theory the
instrument shows EXACT results with LINEAR pots..
This originates I think from the idea that around a maximum or minimum a function is quadratic plus higher order terms.
If you short together both ends of a linear pot then the resistance to the wiper is maximum midway and decreases quadratically (in this case exact, without higher order terms) when moving away from midway. In our instrument consider a wiper as a wiper of a 10 k pot, blocked midway in one direction.
I must confess that I only recognized the trick after further investigation.

Albert

Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

Phillip Potter
 

Hi Dennis,

As a list owner, I can attest to the amount of work that it can be.

PLEASE keep my donation for the future, and even (as someone else said) take your wife and Michael and his wife out to a nice dinner on us.

Best wishes for 2020,

Phil

Re: Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)

Leo Bodnar
 

It's not intuitive but if you do the math it is, indeed works out perfectly linear - assuming the trim pots are set to the value of 50R.
Whoever designed it, deserves to be an employee of the month.
These days such a gadget would have at least some duino inside it.
Leo

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 05:28 PM, Albert Otten wrote:
Actually the math appears to be surprisingly simple and in theory the instrument shows EXACT results with LINEAR pots..

Re: Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)

Chuck Harris
 

Roy, your last two comments make no sense.

Albert has already determined that the taper of the pots is
*linear* and the scales of the two pots are *linear*, and
proved it out mathematically.

Read his description of the math.

And, the schematic is just fine. The negative terminal is
implied.

-Chuck Harris

Roy Thistle wrote:

Hi Dave:
If you have a chance... maybe you can determine the taper of the pots, with an multimer/ohmmeter (they are all identical, stamped 5000, 140416).
You might have to disconnect the wiper lug, and one of the others, on a pot, to avoid a lot of parallel resistance, from the other parts of the circuit.
It would be nice to know, if indeed, they are log taper pots. (The could be quadratic taper... I guess... but, that would be rare?)
Best regards, best wishes.
Roy



Re: Your generosity is STUNNING!

EB4APL
 

Hi,

I'm sure that I'm something wrong, but I don't see the list of contributors. A cue is appreciated.

Ignacio, EB4APL

El 18/01/2020 a las 20:59, Steve Hendrix escribió:
At 2020-01-18 01:07 PM, Colin Herbert via Groups.Io wrote:

I don't see my contribution, which had the transaction number
Likewise for mine, transaction #97334760EC9519925, Dec 31. Glad to donate, I know how much work it is to keep something like this running, and I greatly enjoy all the stories from the "old greybeards" who designed the equipment that I could only drool over during college and afterwards, back in the 70's and 80's. My donation said it went to Marian Tillman, whom you've already explained is your other half. Let us know if we should go complain to PayPal and get the money back to send to you another way.

Steve Hendrix

Re: Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)

Roy Thistle
 

Hi Dave:
If you have a chance... maybe you can determine the taper of the pots, with an multimer/ohmmeter (they are all identical, stamped 5000, 140416).
You might have to disconnect the wiper lug, and one of the others, on a pot, to avoid a lot of parallel resistance, from the other parts of the circuit.
It would be nice to know, if indeed, they are log taper pots. (The could be quadratic taper... I guess... but, that would be rare?)
Best regards, best wishes.
Roy

Re: Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)

Albert Otten
 

Hi GerryR, see for instance https://groups.io/g/TekScopes/message/163507 .
Albert

Re: Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)

Albert Otten
 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 07:54 PM, Roy Thistle wrote:


Hi Albert:
Though it has been mentioned... I think because the pot scales are marked off,
linearly... one needs to use log tapered pots (math won't change, unless you
add in the function(s) necessary to express resistance as a function of shaft
rotation.)
Best wishes and regards
Roy
I'm not sure I understand what you mean Roy. The x in my story is linear in the rotation angle, linear but rescaled to run from 0 (fully ccw) to 1 (fully cw). Of course you can avoid the angle in the expressions when you call the pot parts say R1 (top) and R2 (bottom), with R2 = R - R1. Then in the expressions x has to be replaced by R1/R. You end up with quadratic expressions in R1/R. So the scale has to be linear function of R1/R, otherwise you would not get a quadratic function in the scale reading. The easiest way to draw the markings is linear in angle, which only applies when the pots are linear.

Albert

Re: Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)

GerryR
 

Albert,
That's great, but where do you use such an instrument. I'm trying to figure out where three risetimes, or two as the case may be, react to give me a single total risetime. It's a neat calculator, but where do you use it?
GerryR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Otten" <aodiversen@...>
To: <TekScopes@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)


Actually the math appears to be surprisingly simple and in theory the instrument shows EXACT results with LINEAR pots..
Suppose all fixed (plus their trimpots) and variables have equal resistance R (5 k in our case).
Each pot is in parallel with one fixed resistor.
The wiper of a pot splits the pot resistance in xR (top part) and (1 - x)R (bottom part) where x varies linearly with angle from 0 (ccw) to 1 (cw).
The effective resistance, say z, of one pot circuit is seen between wiper and bottom terminal. The path consists of parallel (1 -x)R and xR + R = (1 + x)R.
Hence z = (1 - x)R*(1 + x)R / [(1 - x)R + (1 + x)R] = (1 - x^2)R^2 / (2R) = R(1 - x^2)/2.
There is the quadratic function we need!
To make it complete:
F branch including the extra R to the meter: R + zF = R + R(1 - xF^2)/2 = (3/2)R - (R/2)*xF^2,
A+B+C branch: zA + zB + zC = R(1 - xA^2)/2 + R(1 - xB^2)/2 + R(1 - xC^2)/2 = (3/2)R - (R/2)*(xA^2 + xB^2 +xC^2)
Balance when xF^2 = xA^2 + xB^2 +xC^2.
Q.E.D.

Albert


On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 04:15 PM, Roger Evans wrote:


Albert,

Thanks for pointing that out, the calculator is quite different to what I had
imagined. I thought the resistance would increase in the clockwise direction
and each pot would just be connected as a two terminal variable resistor.
That does rely on having a good approximation to a square law for the taper of
the pot. As you pointed out the resistance increases ccw and I can't see
immediately why the maths works for the combination of fixed resistor in
parallel with the three terminal connected pot. It might be a rather clever
piece of algebra or an approximation that is good enough for the intended
application.

Roger

Re: Risetime calculator (in tekwiki)

Roy Thistle
 

Hi David, Hi All:
On your schematic posted at
https://vintagetek.org/risetime-calculator/
IMHO you are missing connections to chassis ground (the negative terminal of the battery), for each leg of the bridge, which runs from the (now floating) top lug of the pots.
I think you've demoded, the moded unit (as it appears on Tekwiki, with the 9 volt battery installed)… more on that later.
Best regards and wishes.
P.S. thanks for the schematic... much nicer, and much clearer the one I banged out.