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Re: Mr Carlson's Patreon and test tool designs - was Re: [TekScopes] enclosures for ESR meters

toby@...
 

On 2020-03-23 1:53 PM, David Kuhn wrote:
" It's not obvious to me. My obvious is to ask if 5 people want to go in
together on a set with shipping from oshpark.com or pcbway.com"

Yes! ...but it's Paul's I.P., so, I guess one would have to eat the extra 4
boards and let everyone else order 5 boards each and toss the extras.
Maybe someone could get permission from Paul to have 5 boards made and
share the spare boards?
Yeah I agree it is a grey area if the other people aren't on Patreon. I
didn't think about that angle.

Best thing is to ask him! He seems nice... :)


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:03 AM John Griessen <@jgriessen> wrote:

On 3/22/20 9:01 PM, Mlynch001 wrote:
Mr. Carlson does not usually do commercially produced boards and the
practice is discouraged on Patreon, for obvious reasons.

It's not obvious to me. My obvious is to ask if 5 people want to go in
together on a set with shipping from oshpark.com or pcbway.com





Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 06:21 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:


Mostly it is because it is easier to read. If the
scope continues in its trigger, store, display mode,
the trace hops from trigger to trigger on the screen.
That has been my understanding.

Raymond


Re: Mr Carlson's Patreon and test tool designs - was Re: [TekScopes] enclosures for ESR meters

Eric
 

I have been a member of Paul’s patron since the beginning. Just to be transparent. I have seen this question asked many times. Paul’s response is usually the same. “He strongly recommends that you make the boards using the toner transfer method.” I have done so personally and have learned a staggering amount especially in the QA department having to quality check my own boards. It has also given me a much better understanding of what is really going on. There is a lot of learning building it completely from scratch.

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Subject: Re: Mr Carlson's Patreon and test tool designs - was Re: [TekScopes] enclosures for ESR meters

it would be nice to have a Board.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:52 AM David Kuhn <Daveyk021@...> wrote:

" Mr. Carlson does not usually do commercially produced"

So then I suspect he does not have gerber files to download? It would
be possible to lay it out in CircuitMake/TraxMaker, but if the circuit
uses somewhat modern components, then one would have to create macros for them.
As I said, I think a minimal of 5 proto boards would be needed. So if
the board works, there would be extras. Since it is Paul's i.p. you
would not be able to see those extra boards of five of us wanted to
make the cap tester.

dave

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:02 PM Mlynch001 <@mlynch001> wrote:

Dave,

I built one on Proto-Board my first try. It was tedious, but
worked well. You can build on a breadboard, perf-board or etch your own. Mr.
Carlson does not usually do commercially produced boards and the
practice is discouraged on Patreon, for obvious reasons. I would
not doubt that someone has produced some of these boards, but I do
not know of a source myself.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR






Re: Mr Carlson's Patreon and test tool designs - was Re: [TekScopes] enclosures for ESR meters

Abc Xyz
 

it would be nice to have a Board.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:52 AM David Kuhn <Daveyk021@...> wrote:

" Mr. Carlson does not usually do commercially produced"

So then I suspect he does not have gerber files to download? It would be
possible to lay it out in CircuitMake/TraxMaker, but if the circuit uses
somewhat modern components, then one would have to create macros for them.
As I said, I think a minimal of 5 proto boards would be needed. So if the
board works, there would be extras. Since it is Paul's i.p. you would not
be able to see those extra boards of five of us wanted to make the cap
tester.

dave

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:02 PM Mlynch001 <@mlynch001> wrote:

Dave,

I built one on Proto-Board my first try. It was tedious, but worked
well. You can build on a breadboard, perf-board or etch your own. Mr.
Carlson does not usually do commercially produced boards and the practice
is discouraged on Patreon, for obvious reasons. I would not doubt that
someone has produced some of these boards, but I do not know of a source
myself.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR






Re: Mr Carlson's Patreon and test tool designs - was Re: [TekScopes] enclosures for ESR meters

David Kuhn
 

" It's not obvious to me. My obvious is to ask if 5 people want to go in
together on a set with shipping from oshpark.com or pcbway.com"

Yes! ...but it's Paul's I.P., so, I guess one would have to eat the extra 4
boards and let everyone else order 5 boards each and toss the extras.
Maybe someone could get permission from Paul to have 5 boards made and
share the spare boards?

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:03 AM John Griessen <@jgriessen> wrote:

On 3/22/20 9:01 PM, Mlynch001 wrote:
Mr. Carlson does not usually do commercially produced boards and the
practice is discouraged on Patreon, for obvious reasons.

It's not obvious to me. My obvious is to ask if 5 people want to go in
together on a set with shipping from oshpark.com or pcbway.com




Re: Mr Carlson's Patreon and test tool designs - was Re: [TekScopes] enclosures for ESR meters

David Kuhn
 

" Mr. Carlson does not usually do commercially produced"

So then I suspect he does not have gerber files to download? It would be
possible to lay it out in CircuitMake/TraxMaker, but if the circuit uses
somewhat modern components, then one would have to create macros for them.
As I said, I think a minimal of 5 proto boards would be needed. So if the
board works, there would be extras. Since it is Paul's i.p. you would not
be able to see those extra boards of five of us wanted to make the cap
tester.

dave

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:02 PM Mlynch001 <@mlynch001> wrote:

Dave,

I built one on Proto-Board my first try. It was tedious, but worked
well. You can build on a breadboard, perf-board or etch your own. Mr.
Carlson does not usually do commercially produced boards and the practice
is discouraged on Patreon, for obvious reasons. I would not doubt that
someone has produced some of these boards, but I do not know of a source
myself.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR




Re: enclosures for ESR meters

David Kuhn
 

Paul has over 6200 patreons. That's a minimal of $12400 a month. I don't
know how much patreon takes. He's done well for himself and he is quite
the educator. He deserves it. I will be joining to get the information
for his cap leakage tester. The more test gear the better. Knowing when
to use each, that's a trick in itself - lol.

Dave

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:21 AM Mlynch001 <@mlynch001> wrote:

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 09:08 AM, John Griessen wrote:


On 3/22/20 6:58 PM, Mlynch001 wrote:
Well worth $2 a month and if you don't want a long term commitment,
build
the tester and then you can simply quit Patreon.


Does that mean that patreon's terms don't let you stop an individual
patreon
payment series?
Yes, there is provision for this in the "Manage Membership" menu of your
Subscription. You can increase, decrease or stop supporting any
individual creator at any time. I have changed my subscriptions to
individual creators over time and as I felt the need to do so.



--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR




Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

Chuck Harris
 

Mostly it is because it is easier to read. If the
scope continues in its trigger, store, display mode,
the trace hops from trigger to trigger on the screen.

In roll mode, it just scrolls on by until the trigger
freezes it, that is.

-Chuck Harris

Raymond Domp Frank wrote:

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 05:09 PM, amirb wrote:


all digital scopes go into roll mode as the time base is increased sooner or later. TDS3000s
have a very small memory (10K) so they start the roll mode much earlier than other scopes
Hi Amirb,
Why is it that roll mode becomes more "unavoidable" at low frequencies, slower time/div and especially, smaller memory?

Raymond


Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 05:09 PM, amirb wrote:


all digital scopes go into roll mode as the time base is increased sooner or later. TDS3000s
have a very small memory (10K) so they start the roll mode much earlier than other scopes
Hi Amirb,
Why is it that roll mode becomes more "unavoidable" at low frequencies, slower time/div and especially, smaller memory?

Raymond


Re: Mr Carlson's Patreon and test tool designs - was Re: [TekScopes] enclosures for ESR meters

toby@...
 

On 2020-03-23 10:56 AM, Mlynch001 wrote:
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 09:03 AM, John Griessen wrote:


On 3/22/20 9:01 PM, Mlynch001 wrote:
Mr. Carlson does not usually do commercially produced boards and the
practice is discouraged on Patreon, for obvious reasons.

It's not obvious to me. My obvious is to ask if 5 people want to go in
together on a set with shipping from oshpark.com or pcbway.com
John,

Perhaps I should have simply said that ". . . . the practice of using the schematics to produce boards commercially is prohibited by Mr. Carlson on his channel . . . "? These are the terms and limitations which the creator has placed on the access to and use of his design(s). Not sure if there would be anything that he could do, should someone decide to go against his wishes and do what you propose.
I think somebody could be misunderstanding "produce boards commercially".

Sending one of his layouts out for personal use (or even maybe a small
syndicate if it's not for profit) doesn't seem to be problematic.

Trying to make money off a product based on one of his designs would
seem to be _obviously_ problematic (that's how I read "commercially").

But in any case... If there's any doubt, you can just ask him.

--Toby


Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

amirb
 

all digital scopes go into roll mode as the time base is increased sooner or later.
TDS3000s have a very small memory (10K) so they start the roll mode much earlier than other scopes
it is not only about the memory though, even scope with 10M memory may start the roll mode
at 100ms/div or 200ms/div. but I admit 40ms/div is way too early and I suppose it is because of lack of memory


Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:52 PM, David C. Partridge wrote:


PS don't quite understand the logic even though the book says that's what it
does ...
I don't like it either. Your 'scope becomes some sort of logger by it.

Raymond


Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:48 PM, David C. Partridge wrote:


OK- that's a lot of manual to digest - no need to chew me a new one ...
Hi David,
It's on page 3-32 of my manual 071-0274-01.

Raymond


Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

 

PS don't quite understand the logic even though the book says that's what it does ...

D.

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Sent: 23 March 2020 15:37
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Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:00 PM, David C. Partridge wrote:


If I try to set the timebase to 40ms/div or longer the scope goes into roll
mode as if it cannot trigger on the signal. Why? What did I do wrong? Or?
That's by design. RTFM...

Raymond


Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

 

OK- that's a lot of manual to digest - no need to chew me a new one ...

D.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 23 March 2020 15:37
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:00 PM, David C. Partridge wrote:


If I try to set the timebase to 40ms/div or longer the scope goes into roll
mode as if it cannot trigger on the signal. Why? What did I do wrong? Or?
That's by design. RTFM...

Raymond


Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:00 PM, David C. Partridge wrote:


If I try to set the timebase to 40ms/div or longer the scope goes into roll
mode as if it cannot trigger on the signal. Why? What did I do wrong? Or?
That's by design. RTFM...

Raymond


Re: fuzzy trace, weakish trace

Roy Thistle
 

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 07:49 PM, aldue wrote:


I miss the clean
bright trace.
Hi Aidue:
Yes.. that explains it... the 464 was made... I believe... until around the mid 1980's?
I was thinking most people posting here would have got their Tek used second hand?... I've only met one or two individuals that bought them new. (They were expensive!)
As I recall... to me the 464 trace seemed soft and fuzzy... not clean, sharp and bright... as compared to say a 2200 series scope... like a 2213 or 2235.
Of course, all these terms... softer, fuzzier, etc., are somewhat subjective.
I watched the following YouTube videos showing 464s. The videos appear to show 464s having a softer fuzzier trace that has some ripple too? Perhaps this is "normal" aging of some sort?... or that's the way the 464s were made?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIUE4Lz9e8U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6taEoKCp8o
Best regards and wishes.
Roy


Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

 

No, it works as I expect in Normal mode ...

David

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From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Casey
Sent: 23 March 2020 15:13
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

Does it do this in both Auto and Normal trigger modes?

Dave Casey

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:00 AM David C. Partridge <
@perdrix> wrote:

Grump - the joys of digital scopes ...

I'm feeding the beastie with 100mS (IOW 10Hz) time mark signals fed from my
CG551AP. Signal baseline at 0V, trigger level set at about 1V, signals up
to 2.2V peak.

If I set time/div to 20ms or shorter I get a nice locked trace.

If I try to set the timebase to 40ms/div or longer the scope goes into roll
mode as if it cannot trigger on the signal. Why? What did I do wrong? Or?

Thanks
David







Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

satbeginner
 

Is this where the use of trigger hold-off comes in handy?


Re: Pilot error on TDS3000B or ?

Dave Casey
 

Does it do this in both Auto and Normal trigger modes?

Dave Casey

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:00 AM David C. Partridge <
@perdrix> wrote:

Grump - the joys of digital scopes ...

I'm feeding the beastie with 100mS (IOW 10Hz) time mark signals fed from my
CG551AP. Signal baseline at 0V, trigger level set at about 1V, signals up
to 2.2V peak.

If I set time/div to 20ms or shorter I get a nice locked trace.

If I try to set the timebase to 40ms/div or longer the scope goes into roll
mode as if it cannot trigger on the signal. Why? What did I do wrong? Or?

Thanks
David