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Re: Unique Scope Option

Jim Ford
 

Sharpness at the expense of brightness?  Blue phosphors (assumption on my part) too bright and eye-fatiguing anyway?Jim Ford Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Eric <ericsp@...> Date: 3/17/20 7:40 AM (GMT-08:00) To: TekScopes@groups.io Subject: [TekScopes] Unique Scope Option So I am rebuilding a fairly neglected 7603 that has been in storage for quite some time. I had to evict a few once living tenants. This one is a little curious and it has a smoked color implosion shield. I am used to the clear and blue color plastic shields. But I have never seen one that was so dark and blacked out. I looked at the edges of the plastic and it is not dirt it appears to have been made that way. I am curious as to the why? It cuts a LOT of brightness from the CRT. Anyone have any Ideas?


Unique Scope Option

Eric
 

So I am rebuilding a fairly neglected 7603 that has been in storage for quite some time. I had to evict a few once living tenants. This one is a little curious and it has a smoked color implosion shield. I am used to the clear and blue color plastic shields. But I have never seen one that was so dark and blacked out. I looked at the edges of the plastic and it is not dirt it appears to have been made that way. I am curious as to the why? It cuts a LOT of brightness from the CRT. Anyone have any Ideas?


Re: Type O plugin

Roger Evans
 

Might it have been the difficulty of getting the useful bandwidth of the opamp anywhere near the 100MHz - 500Mhz capability of the normal signal input?

Roger


Re: Type O plugin

Jean-Paul
 

Bonjour Chris, in 1964 we used Burr Brown dual 12AX7 opamp modules, in huge analog computer.

I suggest to get textbooks on operational amplifier and analogy computing first. Analog Devices is a great source of app notes and books.

Much easier than type O, Use any IC opamp, eg 741, make a breadboard or use vector /Vero board

Ideal limlters, rectification, filters and 2ond order systems are the most frequently used for experiments.

Bon Chance


Jean-Paul


Re: recommended ESR meters these days

Randy.AB9GO
 

EDS-88A CapAnalyzer Series II

If you do alot of repair work it is the best ESR meter hands down. It's
not cheap but worth it. I own one and it's great. Mercedelectronics.com

Randy AB9GO




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locked Re: Tesla Coil help needed: NOT RELEVANT TO TEKTRONIX

 

Bob,

Thanks for pointing us to this EEVblog.
I had no idea such a site exists on Youtube.
But it seems very dangerous. It can suck out an enormity of our free time!

Regards,
Ernesto


Re: Tek 576 Curve Tracer HV Replacement Transformer

Jean-Paul
 

Michel good work, I have a finest 576 no issues but like to have a spare transformer

Forgotten the cost, and compatibility, any photos the finished unit or serial numbers range of compatible 576?

Many thanks

Jean-Paul


locked Re: Tesla Coil help needed: NOT RELEVANT TO TEKTRONIX

 

Denis,

This is fine.
Now that I know, I will restrict my posts in this group to issues about classic Tektronix test equipment.
There is plenty to discuss about them.

Regards,
Ernesto


locked Re: Tesla Coil help needed

Greg Muir
 

Tony,

Excuse me while I butt in here for a moment.

Tesla coil information is very easy to find. Simply Google “Tesla coil groups” and you will find tons of information out there including Tesla coil discussion groups..

Thanks in advance for cooperating and helping us keep this group more focused on the matter at hand.


Greg


locked Re: Tesla Coil help needed: NOT RELEVANT TO TEKTRONIX

Tom Gardner
 

I suggest EEVBlog forum.

The denizens are welcoming and have significant experience in many topics. There are many cross-posts between here and there.

On 16/03/20 22:24, Tony Fleming wrote:
Sorry, I don't know where to ask my Tesla Coil question.
Please let me know where to do so.
Thank you very much.


locked Re: Tesla Coil help needed

Tony Fleming
 

Wow, you had interesting job!
I also had interesting jobs, designed stuff for Implement Deals like John
Deere... Engine stands, tire stands.... I also invented shop crane that
lifter 6000 Lb 21 FT high and you were able to push it around the repair
shop....
Made a smaller engine lift crane that was not patented but is sold in may
auto parts stores in these days! Too bad I did not have the resources or
the Gill Meyers who hired me when I was in the USA only 3 month with very
limited English.
I had lots more "brain" than but not much is left in these days... ha ha ha
Electronics, electricity and works with CNC machines as a service man back
in 70's was also lots of fun, but I've escaped from Czechoslovakia in sumer
1981 to Lincoln, Nebraska, before working for Gill.
In mid 80's I was also a photographer for football team at University of
Nebraska, that was also interesting. work.
There is more but it isn't time for that now.
Over 10 years ago I started to play with Arduino and it let to today, where
I have so many hobbies I can't take on any other interests.
But you had to be smart to work with the "components, powered by a 30 kHz
oscillator through a small pot core transformer" and other stuff you made.
It would be nice to have you as neighbor and you could teach me lot more
than I know.
Thank you again Ernesto!

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:33 AM Ernesto <ebordon@...> wrote:

Hi Tony,

It's my pleasure!

When I was still working I designed a 100 kV supply, and it was fun. Its
purpose was to power up a minitron tube used in oil well logging.
It was a ladder of nearly 30 stages, made with conventional components,
powered by a 30 kHz oscillator through a small pot core transformer.
It all fitted into a narrow long tube filled with SF6 gas to improve
dielectric insulation.
There were no sparks, and any disturbance was irrelevant because it worked
in an oil well at thousands of feet deep
and because of the depth it had to work at high temperatures up to 350
degF.
There could have been danger. The minitron tube is a source of neutrons
(radioactivity) that can be lethal.
But i survived, ha ha ha

Regards
Ernesto




locked Re: Tesla Coil help needed: NOT RELEVANT TO TEKTRONIX

Bob Albert
 

I suggest you go to EEVblog where almost any topic can appear.

On Monday, March 16, 2020, 03:25:06 PM PDT, Tony Fleming <czecht@...> wrote:

Sorry, I don't know where to ask my Tesla Coil question.
Please let me know where to do so.
Thank you very much.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:24 AM Dennis Tillman W7PF <@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF>
wrote:

AS IT CLEARLY SAYS IN OUR HOME PAGE:
TekScopes is all about classic Tektronix test equipment, its use, repair,
and collecting.

THIS IS IN NO WAY RELATED TO TEKTRONIX

This has already been pointed out to you by other members of TekScopes.

Please take your discussion about Tesla Coils off line or start a group of
your own.

Thank You,

Dennis Tillman W7pF
TekScopes Moderator



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locked Re: Tesla Coil help needed: NOT RELEVANT TO TEKTRONIX

Tony Fleming
 

Sorry, I don't know where to ask my Tesla Coil question.
Please let me know where to do so.
Thank you very much.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 10:24 AM Dennis Tillman W7PF <@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF>
wrote:

AS IT CLEARLY SAYS IN OUR HOME PAGE:
TekScopes is all about classic Tektronix test equipment, its use, repair,
and collecting.

THIS IS IN NO WAY RELATED TO TEKTRONIX

This has already been pointed out to you by other members of TekScopes.

Please take your discussion about Tesla Coils off line or start a group of
your own.

Thank You,

Dennis Tillman W7pF
TekScopes Moderator



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Re: recommended ESR meters these days

Tony Fleming
 

Sorry, I do not know what it is about. You need to tell me exactly what you
like to say - I'm little slow at times.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 7:37 PM Bob Albert via Groups.Io <bob91343=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Did you read this?
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On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 05:08:48 PM PDT, Tony Fleming <
czecht@...> wrote:

Thank you very much for a very quick reply!
I'm not as smart in these fields as you are, but I love to play with stuff
and make some sample "demo units" that would put a "growing seed" in some
person or a kid's head, like it happen to me, when I was young. I think the
hands-on and some sound (or any visual effect) created by the
experiment is very powerful. At least it was in my brain, but life took me
to a different route and I had to take care of my family and ..... Now,
when kids are on their own for a while, is the time to play with my toys!
Everything to me is a toy because I'm young in my heart and brain - not the
body.... I love oscilloscopes and DMM's or special meters that I own. I'm
very visual, photography was and is my other hobby and even
professional work in the past .... so seeing something that we aren't
equipped to see, electrons + many other like oxygen....is something that I
love. I love to show this to anyone who wants to, because I love people
very much. I also play with Arduino and ESP32/8266.... Raspberry PI.... but
it is hard for me to remember stuff. Dyslexia and Fibromyalgia with PTSD
combination ++ some other health stuff is slowing my brain down, but I try
and try again, until I get it or not.
I've made some simple Jacob Ladders with neon sign transformer or from a
Microwave Oven Transformers.... but I don't know how to make stuff on my
own, without having schema and I love to have a video also, of the project
when I can. So I can "copy" someone's design but now I can't make complex
stuff on my own.
Example is my Tesla Kit, that my friend gave me - it is here on the
youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt4y6j-foyY&list=PLv52A7rm-UViZEOlzZfZOB9Gl8cjS3ze5&index=2&t=0s
(I
also started not long ago a website: https://tonysfun.com/ )
I have the parts (not knowing if all parts are there or not for sure, but
most are there) and one sheet of some instructions, but that is all. I've
asked many youtube people, who made these powerful Tesla Coils, but nobody
answered at this time.
Would you be willing to take me one step at a time and make a schema that I
can follow?
I'm very careful and take many precaushions before playing with Kilovolts
or even just with any voltage, since I hate to burn or break anything....
I' also on Skype (under czecht@... - I was born in Czechoslovakia
but I escaped in 1981 to USA) so we could see each other while talking
about anything you like me to know.
One of the scopes I have is older Tektronix 2465 DMM, it came busted but a
simple switch cleaning fixed that problem.
Also I have a modern 100 Mhz color scope, Aktakom - I think it is a copy of
and a OWON.... can't remember the model number- and a Aktakom
generator...+ many more "gizmos", as I call them.
But I would not know how to make a oscilloscope from parts, but I do
desolder many boards, TV's ... whatever I find on the curb or someone gives
me, so I can get parts I can use.
I'm willing to learn if you like to share your time and knowledge, since I
work for myself as a computer repairman.... Another hobby that became
business, but I love computers like my Oscilloscopes....
Sorry for a long email and thanks again for your reply.
Have a great weekend.
Tony


On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 12:04 PM Ernesto <ebordon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 09:07 AM, Tony Fleming wrote:


Thanks for your information. I'm not an engineer in electronics, but I
do what
I can, including buying meters that I use. I do have couple scopes,
but I
usually just pull out my meter for the job at hand..... By same tocan
I'm
interested in learning electronics, after 50+ years of hiatus so it is
little
harder to learn than when I was young.
If you have a place where I can learn stuff like you've mentioned, I'm
all
ears.
Have a great weekend.
Hi Tony,

First of all, there is no reason you cannot learn electronics after a 50+
hiatus. I keep learning electronics, some of it from this group, after
70++ years of existence. Instead being harder, as seniors we have more
patience and perseverance.

I assume you have a good background in physics, electricity. To progress
to "electronics" it is best to have some passion. Nothing inspires this
passion better than the oscilloscope, the KING of the electronic
instruments.
The oscilloscope is the only means to VISUALIZE the abstract electrical
signals. This visualization stays with us all life long and makes
electronics something CONCRETE and familiar.

So if you want to become expert in electronics, my advice is: BUILD AN
OSCILLOSCOPE FROM SCRATCH (with some nice CRT tube, of course)

Right after college I did this for a couple of months, designing and
building with an old 4 inch CRT an oscilloscope in the style of
Tektronix.
It was a dual-channel with all options, triggered with all options plus
an
X-Y display, and built 100% with transistors in 1971. With an 1800 V
high-voltage supply running at 35 Khz, I designed and built the HV
transformer and even the 50 Hz (in my country) transformer from their
basic
materials. All with little money, ha ha!

This launched my career of designer of analog electronics. At that time
the progressive introduction of integrated circuits allowed me to learn
the
digital stuff, and I became a champion of designing WITH ECONOMY
(minimum
number of components). This economy stopped being an issue shortly
thereafter, so I changed to optimum functionality no matter what, and the
field of firmware, microprocessors and programmable LSI gave me a lust
for
complexity. Finally I became a software programmer, "software architect"
and now... happily retired... I am finally back at tinkering with
hardware
and oscilloscopes.

There is a reason why some electrical engineers are attracted to a
"TekScopes" grouop instead of "Power Distribution" or "High Voltage
Transmission Lines" discussion groups.

Ernesto










locked Re: Tesla Coil help needed: NOT RELEVANT TO TEKTRONIX

 

Ernesto,
AS IT CLEARLY SAYS IN OUR HOME PAGE:
TekScopes is all about classic Tektronix test equipment, its use, repair, and collecting.

IT IS NOT ABOUT TESLA COILS!
Please take you conversation about Tesla Coils off line. In other words contact the others directly, or start a group of your own.
Thank you in advance for restricting you interest to Tektronix products
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TekScopes Moderator


Re: Tektronix Probe Tips DIY

Bert Haskins
 

On 3/16/2020 4:30 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:
Similar techniques can be extended to add a low-inductance ground bayonet/spear to a probe, as found in the HP10020 1.5GHz passive resistive divider probe:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/fifty-ohm-probes/?action=dlattach;attach=135831;PHPSESSID=lohekcsu194l3qpirrh4ps38p2
or the hp10431 "high" impedance passive probe:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/how-much-should-i-pay-for-a-500mhz-10x-passive-oscilloscope-probe/?action=dlattach;attach=109603;image

Suitable materials are Shapeways' nylon (slightly flexible), or DirtyPCB's SLA (smooth high resolution). The latter is stunningly cheap, but takes a while to arrive.


On 16/03/20 02:45, Harvey White wrote:
One of the major problems with both Tektronix and HP probes is frequently the lack of tips. I do digital logic work, and after quite a while I managed to find a pair (both different) Tektronix tips which terminate in a wire with a connector suitable for a 0.025 inch (standard wirewrap) pin.

I got tired of not having more. I looked at Mouser (where I could find the equivalent ground leads for 5 mm diameter Tek & HP probes), I looked on Ebay. Nothing.

So I decided to see what I could do on my own. The average female/female jumper cable (available cheaply on Amazon or Ebay) fits well enough over the probe tip, but the piece of plastic is a bit harder (read impossible) to find.

Fortunately, I do have a 3D printer. So you start with a cylinder, hollow it out enough to fit over the ground barrel of a 5.0 mm probe, put a square hole in it to hold the one pin connector plastic for a female dupont connector, taper the tip, and make a through hole that’s large enough to allow the connector (minus plastic) to fit through. Do that, push the plastic on one end into the cap, put the plastic part back on, and then you have a probe tip that allows you to put the tip on a standard 5mm probe.

If the connector for the probe tip has a limited life, the jumper wires are quite cheap. You could also put one in for a female to male and connect directly to a breadboard.

If anyone wants the .stl files, please email me. I’ll also give you the .scad files if you wish. This is available for non-commercial use. I’m not posting the files here since anything posted becomes the property of groups.io.


Harvey


All of the .025 (2.54mm) female header clip connectors that I have been able to buy lately are worse than !@#$ !!!!!.
After as little as three insertions they will fall right off of the pin.

These are sold as Dupont 2.54mm.

This is an example of what I am using:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/610pcs-2-54mm-Dupont-Housing-Connectors-Pin-Header-Male-Female-Crimp-Pins-Kit/264156238323?hash=item3d80f051f3:g:-EEAAOSw5YlcRsNs.


I have a very few of the US made ones from several years ago that I ration out for just the type of applications that you are talking about.

I have an ongoing need for custom cables (headers ) that use these pins but the extremely low quality of the clips is causing me fits.

An even worse example is when the the female pin is use on a board like Arduinos.

Does anyone know where to get clips of anything like decent quality?

Thanks,

  Bert



locked Re: Tesla Coil help needed

 

Hi Tony,

It's my pleasure!

When I was still working I designed a 100 kV supply, and it was fun. Its purpose was to power up a minitron tube used in oil well logging.
It was a ladder of nearly 30 stages, made with conventional components, powered by a 30 kHz oscillator through a small pot core transformer.
It all fitted into a narrow long tube filled with SF6 gas to improve dielectric insulation.
There were no sparks, and any disturbance was irrelevant because it worked in an oil well at thousands of feet deep
and because of the depth it had to work at high temperatures up to 350 degF.
There could have been danger. The minitron tube is a source of neutrons (radioactivity) that can be lethal.
But i survived, ha ha ha

Regards
Ernesto


Re: Tektronix Probe Tips DIY

 

Hi Harvey,
This is a nice application of 3D Printers. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Dennis Tillman W7pF

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On Behalf Of Harvey White
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 7:46 PM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: [TekScopes] Tektronix Probe Tips DIY

One of the major problems with both Tektronix and HP probes is frequently the lack of tips. I do digital logic work, and after quite a while I managed to find a pair (both different) Tektronix tips which terminate in a wire with a connector suitable for a 0.025 inch (standard
wirewrap) pin.

I got tired of not having more. I looked at Mouser (where I could find the equivalent ground leads for 5 mm diameter Tek & HP probes), I looked on Ebay. Nothing.

So I decided to see what I could do on my own. The average female/female jumper cable (available cheaply on Amazon or Ebay) fits well enough over the probe tip, but the piece of plastic is a bit harder (read
impossible) to find.

Fortunately, I do have a 3D printer. So you start with a cylinder, hollow it out enough to fit over the ground barrel of a 5.0 mm probe, put a square hole in it to hold the one pin connector plastic for a female dupont connector, taper the tip, and make a through hole that’s large enough to allow the connector (minus plastic) to fit through. Do that, push the plastic on one end into the cap, put the plastic part back on, and then you have a probe tip that allows you to put the tip on a standard 5mm probe.

If the connector for the probe tip has a limited life, the jumper wires are quite cheap. You could also put one in for a female to male and connect directly to a breadboard.

If anyone wants the .stl files, please email me. I’ll also give you the .scad files if you wish. This is available for non-commercial use. I’m not posting the files here since anything posted becomes the property of groups.io.


Harvey







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Dennis Tillman W7PF
TekScopes Moderator


locked Tesla Coil help needed: NOT RELEVANT TO TEKTRONIX

 

AS IT CLEARLY SAYS IN OUR HOME PAGE:
TekScopes is all about classic Tektronix test equipment, its use, repair, and collecting.

THIS IS IN NO WAY RELATED TO TEKTRONIX

This has already been pointed out to you by other members of TekScopes.

Please take your discussion about Tesla Coils off line or start a group of your own.

Thank You,

Dennis Tillman W7pF
TekScopes Moderator



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TekScopes Moderator


Re: Type O plugin

Albert Otten
 

I think the AM501 for the TM frames should be considered as successor.
Albert