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Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Artekmedia <manuals@...>
 

ST
Your right :-)
If I was willing to jump through all the hoops Evil-Bay would recognize and allow me to sell downloads for some manufacturers manuals for which we have hard copy licenses and releases (HP and Tektronix are the big dogs) . The problem arises for companies that are no longer in business ( A lot!) eBay has no way ( or desire) to wade through all of that ..had this conversation with them years ago. And offering downloads for some and not for others just confuses the customer base and I would end up spending hours answering emails about why if I can provide a download for company A why cant I supply  a download for company B. It is easier in the long run to just quietly steer folks to to our web site where they can order a download to begin with.

Cheers
-DC

On 5/1/2018 2:29 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Well, perhaps Ebay didn't agree that you hold any copyright to those
Manuals Dave. ;-)
Just pulling your chain! Please let's not get into that again.

Looks like the Ebay policy is quite restrictive in the land of the
free, but it is possible to sell some non-physical goods:

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/digitally-delivered-goods-policy?id=4289

Memberships aren't mentioned specifically, but no plaintiff, no judge,
as they say....
And if any donor filed an "item not received" claim he should be
banned for life anyway!


ST





On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Artekmedia <manuals@artekmanuals.com> wrote:
I don think you can sell a "membership" on Ebay. As I recall the rules state
that it must be a physical item that ships via UPS, USPS or FEDEX as an
example. I know they wont let me sell "downloads" ..gotta be a CD ... as an
example. Even at $1 eBay collects a listing fee and commission fee for every
sale plus the PayPal tax so you can end up sending 20% or more of your
"sales" into the bonus plans for the senior pirates at Ebay Corporate

-DC
manuals@artekmanuals.com
--
Dave
Manuals@ArtekManuals.com
www.ArtekManuals.com


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Bill Riches
 

Hi Dennis,

How do we reply just to you??

73,

Bill, WA2DVU

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@groups.io <TekScopes@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Tillman W7PF
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 11:19 PM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: [TekScopes] PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

stefan_trethan
 

Well, perhaps Ebay didn't agree that you hold any copyright to those
Manuals Dave. ;-)
Just pulling your chain! Please let's not get into that again.

Looks like the Ebay policy is quite restrictive in the land of the
free, but it is possible to sell some non-physical goods:

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/digitally-delivered-goods-policy?id=4289

Memberships aren't mentioned specifically, but no plaintiff, no judge,
as they say....
And if any donor filed an "item not received" claim he should be
banned for life anyway!


ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Artekmedia <manuals@artekmanuals.com> wrote:
I don think you can sell a "membership" on Ebay. As I recall the rules state
that it must be a physical item that ships via UPS, USPS or FEDEX as an
example. I know they wont let me sell "downloads" ..gotta be a CD ... as an
example. Even at $1 eBay collects a listing fee and commission fee for every
sale plus the PayPal tax so you can end up sending 20% or more of your
"sales" into the bonus plans for the senior pirates at Ebay Corporate

-DC
manuals@artekmanuals.com


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

David Berlind
 

In response to whoever said the likelihood is that you'll get funding from
.1% of members each of whom contributes more than $1, personally speaking,
the value I've gotten out of this group (as a noob to oscopes and
electronics) greatly exceeds the amounts we're discussing here. I will
gladly contribute $1 if getting $1 from 100 members works. But if in
the end, it's just
a whole lot easier to go to the .1%, please put me down for whatever is needed
up to the full amount (at least for the next turn of the crank if not longer.

I'm not interested in credit. Just more of the same education
and help that I've been getting and which would have cost significantly more
than $100 to acquire anywhere else.

On May 1, 2018 1:43:24 PM "Artekmedia" <manuals@artekmanuals.com> wrote:

I don think you can sell a "membership" on Ebay. As I recall the rules
state that it must be a physical item that ships via UPS, USPS or FEDEX
as an example. I know they wont let me sell "downloads" ..gotta be a CD
... as an example. Even at $1 eBay collects a listing fee and commission
fee for every sale plus the PayPal tax so you can end up sending 20% or
more of your "sales" into the bonus plans for the senior pirates at Ebay
Corporate

-DC
manuals@artekmanuals.com

On 5/1/2018 1:22 PM, Jack Reynolds wrote:
I believe that Stefan has hit the nail on the head twice as shown below:

The"contributing membership" thing can be an annual event whenever the
bill is about to come due. Therefore it could be done by either
Dennis or Michael. Raise the cost of a membership to $5 so that
whoever is collecting it can deal with a minimal no. of eBay
responses. Make the first year sufficient to cover what has already
been paid and the coming year as well as eBay and Paypal fees.
Contributors will receive a confirmation from Paypal with no hassle
for Dennis or Michael. If there are people who need recognition on
the list for their contribution, DON"t BOTHER! Save the bandwidth for
something important like Jerry's bull and electric fence controller!
There will be no excess funds to deal with. The annual free for all
to get one of the "contributing memberships" will be something to look
forward to. It will be open to all who use eBay and Paypal already
and that likely is a very large majority(despite all of the acid
remarks about eBay!). The eBay posting will make it obvious to
everyone the total which is being collected by the no. of shares
offered and the cost. (Think of it in terms of Ohm's Law)
Jack Reynolds
On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:


Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

--
Dave
Manuals@ArtekManuals.com
www.ArtekManuals.com




Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Artekmedia <manuals@...>
 

I don think you can sell a "membership" on Ebay. As I recall the rules state that it must be a physical item that ships via UPS, USPS or FEDEX as an example. I know they wont let me sell "downloads" ..gotta be a CD ... as an example. Even at $1 eBay collects a listing fee and commission fee for every sale plus the PayPal tax so you can end up sending 20% or more of your "sales" into the bonus plans for the senior pirates at Ebay Corporate

-DC
manuals@artekmanuals.com

On 5/1/2018 1:22 PM, Jack Reynolds wrote:
I believe that Stefan has hit the nail on the head twice as shown below:

The"contributing membership" thing can be an annual event whenever the bill is about to come due.  Therefore it could be done by either Dennis or Michael.  Raise the cost of a membership to $5 so that whoever is collecting it can deal with a minimal no. of eBay responses.  Make the first year sufficient to cover what has already been paid and the coming year as well as eBay and Paypal fees. Contributors will receive a confirmation from Paypal with no hassle for Dennis or Michael.  If there are people who need recognition on the list for their contribution, DON"t BOTHER! Save the bandwidth for something important like Jerry's bull and electric fence controller!  There will be no excess funds to deal with.  The annual free for all to get one of the "contributing memberships" will be something to look forward to.  It will be open to all who use eBay and Paypal already and that likely is a very large majority(despite all of the acid remarks about eBay!). The eBay posting will make it obvious to everyone the total which is being collected by the no. of shares offered and the cost. (Think of it in terms of Ohm's Law)
Jack Reynolds
On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:


Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.


--
Dave
Manuals@ArtekManuals.com
www.ArtekManuals.com


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Larry DeVito
 

I sent a message to groups.io to ask if they will be banker.
I did NOT mention TekScopes in my message to them.  I will
report back here when they reply.

The concept is groups .io accepts PayPal payments as small
as $1 from many different sources.  Then when they collect more than the $110 needed,  they keep track of credit balance.  So next year
our credit balance goes from $700 to $600, then in following year... well, you get the idea.

This does not address the issue of reimbursing Dennis for the
first $110 payment he already made.

Have a nice day.

Larry


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Siggi
 

On Tue, 1 May 2018 at 12:50 machineguy59 via Groups.Io <machineguy59=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The PayPal "Donate" button is a simple and effective method.
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/fundraising All you need to do is
find a place to host that donate button and tell members where it is.
+1 for PayPal "Donate" or something like it, and +1 for simplicity. Having
donations to cover a few years running of the group sounds quite sane.
Perhaps groups.io will even discount their fee if it's paid 2-3 years in
advance...


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Jack Reynolds
 

I believe that Stefan has hit the nail on the head twice as shown below:

The"contributing membership" thing can be an annual event whenever the bill is about to come due.  Therefore it could be done by either Dennis or Michael.  Raise the cost of a membership to $5 so that whoever is collecting it can deal with a minimal no. of eBay responses.  Make the first year sufficient to cover what has already been paid and the coming year as well as eBay and Paypal fees. Contributors will receive a confirmation from Paypal with no hassle for Dennis or Michael.  If there are people who need recognition on the list for their contribution, DON"t BOTHER!  Save the bandwidth for something important like Jerry's bull and electric fence controller!  There will be no excess funds to deal with.  The annual free for all to get one of the "contributing memberships" will be something to look forward to.  It will be open to all who use eBay and Paypal already and that likely is a very large majority(despite all of the acid remarks about eBay!).  The eBay posting will make it obvious to everyone the total which is being collected by the no. of shares offered and the cost.  (Think of it in terms of Ohm's Law)
Jack Reynolds

On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:


Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Renée
 

I have been reading and glad I waited to chime in, my initial thoughts are just as Rick stated.
KISS principle.  Having been treasurer for a few groups in the past, Rick is pretty much on the mark.

 Someone still will need to "play" book keeper/accountant and log the activity just for the one person who must see where it all goes...simple spread sheet would/should suffice.
WE are not trying to run a business, just pay the maintenance fees.
Again KISS principle
Renée

On 2018-05-01 09:20 AM, Hawker wrote:
While I understand what your thinking, and appreciate your desire to be fair I really think you are overthinking this.
I run some other large groups that have expenses and what I have found is very few donate, but those that do have $$$ and will donate a lot because they can and are not worried about accountability as they see you are doing well. Your input and value is more than just paying for this group, don't sell yourself short. Your gut of $1 from each of 10% of members is probably not realistic. More like $20-$100 each from 0.1% of members is what you will get based on my past experience. You may also get someone who privately messages you and offers to just pay for it all, or pay for a few years up front and be done with it.

My advice, set up a pay pall account and KISS. Let folks know here they can throw in a few $$$ to pay for the group and any other expenses. Let it collect to be at least 3x the annual cost and your past expenses so you don't have to keep fundraising. To avoid issues just be public about in general what you are getting in vs expenses but you don't need to prove exact accounting as that is way to much overhead to be expected.
But is this really the only expense? It seems you do a lot for the community that may inure other direct or indirect expenses that can be compensated.

If for some reason you get a ton of $$$ (which I doubt) then ask the group what is fair to do with it. My gut is there are other tek groups like the tek manual scanning group that could use some funds. Who pays for Tek Wiki webspace? How is that funded?



Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

stefan_trethan
 

I'm sure they already have all that and more, it's a Paypal company.

#2 Just says you need a US phone that can do text messages.
Probably how the money transfer works, I've heard of a similar system
being very popular in Africa.

-

The paypal donate button sounds cool too, if you can really set it up
this easily.
You can even pay through paypal without setting up an account
(although most of us probably have one anyway to purchase more junk).

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:47 PM, Artekmedia <manuals@artekmanuals.com> wrote:
And #2 ???

Do they collect ANY personal information ? Name? Address? Bank or Credit
card number?

-DC
manuals@artekmanuals.com


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Artekmedia <manuals@...>
 

Vince
I happen to be in the NON -excluded group .. I would just like to know ST's #2. I have a lot of (good) experience with ST's opinion and past judgement. Next time I will be more direct about WHO I am addressing the comment to.
-DC
manuals@artekmanuals.com

On 5/1/2018 12:49 PM, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Don't need #2, #1 excludes a large portion of the group.

Vince.



On 05/01/2018 12:47 PM, Artekmedia wrote:
And #2 ???

Do they collect ANY personal information ? Name? Address? Bank or Credit
card number?

-DC
manuals@artekmanuals.com

On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Quote from the Venmo website:
There are two main requirements for using Venmo:
1. You must be physically located in the United States


Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 5:58 PM, John Griessen <john@ecosensory.com>
wrote:
On 05/01/2018 10:28 AM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Given that the supply of money will (for once) outstrip demand I
didn't think giving Ebay or even the tax man a cut was an issue, at
least for the first year. You'll be surprised how quickly the
generosity runs dry when you make this an annual event.

OK.  So maybe we come back to a leaner way in a year or two.
Easy button it is.

Dennis did mention he didn't want extra money accumulated is the
only reason I suggested servers and scripts...  and it does not
require new
sign ups by members.

Venmo might be good -- except for the "does not require new sign ups by
members".

Looking back, "does not require new sign ups by members" did not come
from
Dennis...
Venmo might work.  Stops extra money accumulating.
Concept matches.  Just needs donators to sign up for something new.



--
Dave
Manuals@ArtekManuals.com
www.ArtekManuals.com


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Vince Vielhaber
 

If this method is chosen, I can offer up web space. I already do webhosting so the servers are already there and running.

Vince.

On 05/01/2018 12:50 PM, machineguy59 via Groups.Io wrote:
The PayPal "Donate" button is a simple and effective method. https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/fundraising All you need to do is find a place to host that donate button and tell members where it is. They go to that web location and click on "Donate". They will even give you a separate PayPal account for the donations. Don't worry about accounting unless its running dry, then tell us. If you feel obligated to keep an accounting then put an estimate of fund supply (example: "we have 14 months of funds stored up") on the web page next to the Donate button. If you get enough to say "we have 360 months of funds stored up", then shut off the button. I don't like that PayPal gets 3% of the funds but its a small amount and worth it to keep your efforts small.


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

 

The PayPal "Donate" button is a simple and effective method. https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/fundraising All you need to do is find a place to host that donate button and tell members where it is. They go to that web location and click on "Donate". They will even give you a separate PayPal account for the donations. Don't worry about accounting unless its running dry, then tell us. If you feel obligated to keep an accounting then put an estimate of fund supply (example: "we have 14 months of funds stored up") on the web page next to the Donate button. If you get enough to say "we have 360 months of funds stored up", then shut off the button. I don't like that PayPal gets 3% of the funds but its a small amount and worth it to keep your efforts small.


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Vince Vielhaber
 

Don't need #2, #1 excludes a large portion of the group.

Vince.

On 05/01/2018 12:47 PM, Artekmedia wrote:
And #2 ???

Do they collect ANY personal information ? Name? Address? Bank or Credit
card number?

-DC
manuals@artekmanuals.com

On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Quote from the Venmo website:
There are two main requirements for using Venmo:
1. You must be physically located in the United States


Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 5:58 PM, John Griessen <john@ecosensory.com>
wrote:
On 05/01/2018 10:28 AM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Given that the supply of money will (for once) outstrip demand I
didn't think giving Ebay or even the tax man a cut was an issue, at
least for the first year. You'll be surprised how quickly the
generosity runs dry when you make this an annual event.

OK. So maybe we come back to a leaner way in a year or two.
Easy button it is.

Dennis did mention he didn't want extra money accumulated is the
only reason I suggested servers and scripts... and it does not
require new
sign ups by members.

Venmo might be good -- except for the "does not require new sign ups by
members".

Looking back, "does not require new sign ups by members" did not come
from
Dennis...
Venmo might work. Stops extra money accumulating.
Concept matches. Just needs donators to sign up for something new.




Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Artekmedia <manuals@...>
 

And #2 ???

Do they collect ANY personal information ? Name? Address? Bank or Credit card number?

-DC
manuals@artekmanuals.com

On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Quote from the Venmo website:
There are two main requirements for using Venmo:
1. You must be physically located in the United States


Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 5:58 PM, John Griessen <john@ecosensory.com> wrote:
On 05/01/2018 10:28 AM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Given that the supply of money will (for once) outstrip demand I
didn't think giving Ebay or even the tax man a cut was an issue, at
least for the first year. You'll be surprised how quickly the
generosity runs dry when you make this an annual event.

OK. So maybe we come back to a leaner way in a year or two.
Easy button it is.

Dennis did mention he didn't want extra money accumulated is the
only reason I suggested servers and scripts... and it does not require new
sign ups by members.

Venmo might be good -- except for the "does not require new sign ups by
members".

Looking back, "does not require new sign ups by members" did not come from
Dennis...
Venmo might work. Stops extra money accumulating.
Concept matches. Just needs donators to sign up for something new.


--
Dave
Manuals@ArtekManuals.com
www.ArtekManuals.com


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Vince Vielhaber
 

So far I think this is the best idea. If someone doesn't do ebay they can always get an ebay gift card, I've seen those at the grocery store. This idea is simple, easy to do and accomplishes the task at hand with minimal effort.

Helluva lot better than getting groups.io to charge all their users $1 for every group they're in.

Vince.

On 05/01/2018 01:29 AM, stefan_trethan wrote:
Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Robert Simpson via Groups.Io
<go_boating_fast=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
A. Donate extra to the Tektronix museum.

B. As mentioned, work out a deal with other moderators as like so many of you, I am also a member of many technical forums.

Or anything like that.
And
Thank you for setting this up,
Bob



Re: OT : How About A Group For

Colin Herbert
 

As Jeff posted a little later, he has renamed his group to:

https://groups.io/g/TestgearNotTekScopes/settings

That group _does_ exist....
Colin.

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On Behalf Of Craig
Sawyers
Sent: 01 May 2018 16:59
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] OT : How About A Group For

'Sorry, but that group does not exist.'
We can but hope ;-)


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

stefan_trethan
 

Quote from the Venmo website:
There are two main requirements for using Venmo:
1. You must be physically located in the United States


Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 5:58 PM, John Griessen <john@ecosensory.com> wrote:
On 05/01/2018 10:28 AM, stefan_trethan wrote:

Given that the supply of money will (for once) outstrip demand I
didn't think giving Ebay or even the tax man a cut was an issue, at
least for the first year. You'll be surprised how quickly the
generosity runs dry when you make this an annual event.


OK. So maybe we come back to a leaner way in a year or two.
Easy button it is.

Dennis did mention he didn't want extra money accumulated is the
only reason I suggested servers and scripts... and it does not require new
sign ups by members.

Venmo might be good -- except for the "does not require new sign ups by
members".

Looking back, "does not require new sign ups by members" did not come from
Dennis...
Venmo might work. Stops extra money accumulating.
Concept matches. Just needs donators to sign up for something new.



Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

Hawker
 

While I understand what your thinking, and appreciate your desire to be fair I really think you are overthinking this.
I run some other large groups that have expenses and what I have found is very few donate, but those that do have $$$ and will donate a lot because they can and are not worried about accountability as they see you are doing well. Your input and value is more than just paying for this group, don't sell yourself short. Your gut of $1 from each of 10% of members is probably not realistic. More like $20-$100 each from 0.1% of members is what you will get based on my past experience. You may also get someone who privately messages you and offers to just pay for it all, or pay for a few years up front and be done with it.

My advice, set up a pay pall account and KISS. Let folks know here they can throw in a few $$$ to pay for the group and any other expenses. Let it collect to be at least 3x the annual cost and your past expenses so you don't have to keep fundraising. To avoid issues just be public about in general what you are getting in vs expenses but you don't need to prove exact accounting as that is way to much overhead to be expected.
But is this really the only expense? It seems you do a lot for the community that may inure other direct or indirect expenses that can be compensated.

If for some reason you get a ton of $$$ (which I doubt) then ask the group what is fair to do with it. My gut is there are other tek groups like the tek manual scanning group that could use some funds. Who pays for Tek Wiki webspace? How is that funded?


Re: PAYING FOR GROUPS.IO

 

I haven't bothered to get a bank account for some time after my bankruptcy. I can, but they started charging me an inactivity fee even after I told them it would be dormant for a time depending on what happened in court. They eventually closed the account, and it pissed me off.

So, if someone wanted to say, send a postal money order, where would they send it and to whom ?

(I wouldn't send an elcheapo MO from a convenience store, unless it was the kind truckers use)

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