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TM5003 and TM5006 Rear Interface PWB Connections Diagram

Egge Siert <eggeja@...>
 

Hi to All,

I'am still looking for the TM5003 and TM5006 Rear Interface PWB Connection Diagrams. This will ease the cabling between the Modules.
As far as I know only the TM5006A Manual(page 8-5) has such a diagram, which will also cover the Rear Interface PWB Connections used with the TM506A.

When you open for example a TM5003 Option 02 it is quite a puzzle (for me) to investigate which pins belongs to which positions of the Card Edge Connector.

Egge-Siert


Re: Storing Scopes

stefan_trethan
 

See, that's exactly what I'm talking about, you just don't have enoough pinball machines yet.
Put another pinball machine in _here_ and there wouldn't be any awkward questions:
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeriellsworth/2919582667/>

ST


On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Chris Moore <chris2phermoore@...> wrote:


LOL! I just wasn't able to do that with the pinball machine I brought home awhile back. Still haven't heard the end of it.


From: Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...>
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 5:32 AM

Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Storing Scopes

 
Sometimes it is best to hide them in plain sight and pretend they have
always been there.

Most advantageous are places where they blend in, so it helps if you
already prepared the surroundings with a good number of similar items.

ST

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Craig Sawyers
<c.sawyers@...> wrote:
>> which are just too darn big to have to explain "where did those come from...?".
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>>Dave
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Re: Storing Scopes

Chris Moore <chris2phermoore@...>
 

LOL! I just wasn't able to do that with the pinball machine I brought home awhile back. Still haven't heard the end of it.


From: Stefan Trethan
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Storing Scopes

 
Sometimes it is best to hide them in plain sight and pretend they have
always been there.

Most advantageous are places where they blend in, so it helps if you
already prepared the surroundings with a good number of similar items.

ST

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Craig Sawyers
<c.sawyers@...> wrote:
>> which are just too darn big to have to explain "where did those come from...?".
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>>Dave
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> That seems to be a geographical invariant.  The quest is to find somewhere to hide things before they are spotted - the consequence of failing in the quest is the inevitable awkward questions.
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Re: Tek 475A No Display

Craig Sawyers <c.sawyers@...>
 

Portugese.
Wow - thanks for clarifying that. From the UK, I ought to at least
recognise the difference between Spanish and Portugese (even though they are
close).

Craig


Re: Tek 475A No Display

Mendel Pearl <mypearl@...>
 

Portugese.

On 13-6-2011 11:11, Craig Sawyers wrote:
It is in Italian
Sorry to the Italians and Spanish - it looks to be in Spanish!

Craig



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Re: Storing Scopes

stefan_trethan
 

Sometimes it is best to hide them in plain sight and pretend they have
always been there.

Most advantageous are places where they blend in, so it helps if you
already prepared the surroundings with a good number of similar items.

ST

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Craig Sawyers
<c.sawyers@...> wrote:
which are just too darn big to have to explain "where did those come from...?".
Dave
<Grin> That seems to be a geographical invariant.  The quest is to find somewhere to hide things before they are spotted - the consequence of failing in the quest is the inevitable awkward questions.

Craig



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Re: Storing Scopes

Craig Sawyers <c.sawyers@...>
 

which are just too darn big to have to explain "where did those come from...?".
Dave
<Grin> That seems to be a geographical invariant. The quest is to find somewhere to hide things before they are spotted - the consequence of failing in the quest is the inevitable awkward questions.

Craig


Re: Tek 475A No Display

Craig Sawyers <c.sawyers@...>
 

It is in Italian
Sorry to the Italians and Spanish - it looks to be in Spanish!

Craig


Re: Tek 475A No Display

Gala Dragos
 

The scope is not for the bin. The HV multiplier can be repaired, albeit it will not be very cheap. You will need HV diodes, HV caps, HV meter probes, and some very steady hands!

You could also check out the usual "suspects" like vernonianorthern or sphere for Tektronix parts.
 


From: Craig Sawyers
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Tek 475A No Display

 
> Any help welcomed.

There is a guy here http://www.py2bbs.qsl.br/pm3540.php who restored his
Philips scope by reverse engineering the EHT multiplier. It is in Italian,
but at least it gives the drift, and Babelfish-ing should give more detail.

Craig




Re: Tek 475A No Display

Craig Sawyers <c.sawyers@...>
 

Any help welcomed.
There is a guy here http://www.py2bbs.qsl.br/pm3540.php who restored his
Philips scope by reverse engineering the EHT multiplier. It is in Italian,
but at least it gives the drift, and Babelfish-ing should give more detail.

Craig


Re: Storing Scopes

d.seiter@...
 

I think my storage shed (slab/stucco) is probably safer than my garage, but it still has spiders that refuse to die.  The better items get wrapped in pallet wrap, but I have a stack of scopes in front of a sliding glass door(rear facing), so I'm not sure if they are getting faded/plastic degraded, etc.  The garage is a generally cooler, but more humid environment due to the washer/dryer.  Rodents have never been an issue with scopes, even when they found a way to get in and get into the attic.  I keep all the best stuff in the house, except for the 519s, which are just too darn big to have to explain "where did those come from...?".

Dave



From: "Robert"
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 3:54:26 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Storing Scopes

 

My Tek Scope collection somehow keeps growing and my garage is running out of room. Do any of you store scopes in an outside shed? If so any special considerations?
Bob


Tek 475A No Display

colinmacalpine@btinternet.com
 

Hi - I have had a 475 sitting as a stand by for many years since I bought it in 1979 - used it intermittantlty in between. Great basic scope.

However switching it on after maybe 2 years it worked fine - after contact cleaning some of the switch contacts again. Then left it running for a couple of days planning to lend it to a young enthusisasric guy just starting in electronics.

So next day switched it on to show him - zip - nothing no display.

All the low voltage dc supplies are great ( I have the original manual with diagrams ) and the scope lights up ,bar the trace as expected, so I suspected no eht ( ciould not see heaters glowing either ) So a ilooked at the drive waveform on the TP 1318 and only see asine wave of amplitute 5 volts itting with its peak at around 25 volts - any ideas - obviously q138 is woirking or there would be zilch. I am reluctant to start the huge eercise of stripping the unit down to get at the HV volrtage multiplier to have a look if the faukt wont be there - and if I can prove it is then I sustepcet the scoop is for the bin anyway as I hear HV multipliers are simply not available...or could I wedge in a TV one ?

Any help welcomed.

Colin

Newbe to this forum.


Re: Newbie shopping questions

Craig Sawyers <c.sawyers@...>
 

I'm looking for a scope that's repairable (I don't mean broken). I read
on
some site that I think it was the 454 was the last model that didn't use
proprietary Tektronix-made ICs. I don't have anything against them in
principle, if they were guaranteed to be available for the next 30 years
or so.
I've seen Tek scopes still running at 50 years old, and I think not making
parts
available is just planned obsolescence. I don't want to play that game.
The 454A is a good choice at 150MHz. An alternative at lower bandwidth of
60MHz is the 453A, but it also has 5mV/div max sensitivity, whereas the 454A
has a useful 2mV/div. Go for the -A versions, which have 8 vertical
divisions - the non-A versions have 6 vertical divs.

With some custom chips, also consider a 7603 with 7B53A timebase and two
7A18 vertical amps. It has the flexibility of adding features from the vast
array of plugins as necessary. Basically a 75MHz instrument depending on
plugins. To get to 150MHz plus you'd need to get a 4-bay 7704A with 7B80/85
and two 7A26 for 200MHz bandwidth.

Closed auctions on eBay come up with:

7704A or 7603 with plugins - $60 to $120 (there are lots on there with silly
money tickets that never sell)
453 and 454 typically <$60. Wait for -A versions to appear, and expect to
pay 50% more.

And watch shipping cost, and bear in mind that inadequate packing by the
seller, and an ape man for the shipping company can reduce a scope to scrap
in short order. We've just taken delivery of an electronics box for a space
mission (not the flight version) from Finland via TNT. The custom shipping
container was dented, and the 75G shock sensor on the case had tripped -
they had basically thrown it into the truck, out of the truck, or dropped it
from a height. Fortunately the whole instrument is designed to take
significantly greater shock than that - up to 1000G (when explosive bolts
fire at various points during launch) - but if it had been a scope in a
cardboard box I'm not so sure it would have been at all in good shape.

Good luck with the search!

Craig


Re: Edge connectors for 7854

Stan & Patricia Griffiths
 

Hi Gordon,

 

I know a little about the TAS250 since I repaired about a hundred of them for Tektronix under contract.  What do you want to know?

 

Stan

 


From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Gordon Hale
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 3:51 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Edge connectors for 7854

 

 

What do you know about the TAS250? Thanks

Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas

Endeavor to Persevere

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Hale To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Sat, May 21, 2011 5:48 pm
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Edge connectors for 7854

 

I found the 80x2 here:
http://www.electronicsurplus.com/Item/4480/EDAC%20-%2080%20PIN%20EDGE%20CARD%20CONN%20-%20346-080-520-202/

Note: The checkout does not work with FireFox 4.01
Doug

On 5/21/2011 9:21 AM, David C. Partridge wrote:
> They do not have any .125" edge connectors and very few 0.1" and 0.15"
>
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Newbie shopping questions

ab1jx
 

New to the group, not to the scopes. I used my first Tektronix about 1978, big beast on a cart with lots of tubes, never owned any other brand.

But now my 2213 is getting very dim. From Googling I guess there was a problem with the early 2213s and 2215s getting too much filament voltage to the CRT and wearing it out too fast. Mine never got modified and the inverter transformer doesn't have the -01 at the end of the number, so I guess it's been running at 7 volts all these years.

I'm looking for an analog scope maybe 100 or 150 MHZ although that speed is overkill for what I'd be using it for. I'm retired and a ham, mostly want to be able to see RF envelopes, don't often need to resolve individual cycles over 30 MHZ. The 2213 was a good fit, I just thought I'd move up a little since I've got to change.

I'm looking for a scope that's repairable (I don't mean broken). I read on some site that I think it was the 454 was the last model that didn't use proprietary Tektronix-made ICs. I don't have anything against them in principle, if they were guaranteed to be available for the next 30 years or so. I've seen Tek scopes still running at 50 years old, and I think not making parts available is just planned obsolescence. I don't want to play that game.

I'm hoping to not spend more than $200 and I'm hoping I can keep it running the rest of my lifetime (I'm 57).

I don't rule out digital absolutely, but the only one I've seen was new in the 80s (I think it was an HP) and all those pixels didn't seem very well suited to looking at envelopes. Plus if I got digital I'd expect to be able to get the data out to my PC (under Linux) and I'd rather not get involved in GPIB/HPIB cards.

So what's good, what's cheap, what's maintainable? Is there some file somewhere that lists years and model numbers? Any advice in general? Anybody know where I can get a CRT for my 2213? I've had really bad luck on eBay lately, it seems much worse than 10 years ago.

Oh, for more background on me see my bio on QRZ: http://www.qrz.com/db/AB1JX

Alan, AB1JX


7000 Series In Detroit?

art0matic
 

Does anybody here live around Detroit, Mi? I have some plug-ins I'd like to test, but no mainframe.

Art


Re: 1240 Logic Analyser display problem

Kevin Wood G7BCS
 

Have you tried disconnecting the VSYNC pin from the 5321 chip (i.e.
remove the chip if it's socketed) and then checking for a
short-to-ground, or any output from the (now floating) pin?
Ahh, good point. I should try that. It feeds the next stage through a 10k
resistor so unlikely it's being dragged down but you never know...

Personally, I'd swap the thing for a CPLD or a board-o'-TTL, but that's
only because I have copious stocks of both. A couple of TTL counters
(HC4040?) and comparators should just about do it.
Yep, the thought crossed my mind too. Actually, the H&V counters are
already on the board, thinking about it. Not sure I want to hack it about
that much though.

Kevin


Re: 1240 Logic Analyser display problem

Phil Pemberton
 

On 13/06/11 00:01, Kevin Wood wrote:
I'm thinking the MM5321 is dead, but just wondered if anyone else has been
down this path before, or has any other suggestions?
Have you tried disconnecting the VSYNC pin from the 5321 chip (i.e. remove the chip if it's socketed) and then checking for a short-to-ground, or any output from the (now floating) pin?

Personally, I'd swap the thing for a CPLD or a board-o'-TTL, but that's only because I have copious stocks of both. A couple of TTL counters (HC4040?) and comparators should just about do it.

But that's just me. I'll go for the crazy solution if it saves a trip to Ye Olde Parts Shoppe... :)

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1240 Logic Analyser display problem

Kevin Wood G7BCS
 

Hi Guys,

I wonder if anyone has ever troubleshooted display issues with a 1240
Logic Analyser?

Symptoms are that I get a stable raster on the screen if brightness is
turned up but no display.

All power supply rails measure fine.

Both main and I/O processors seem to be going through their self tests
successfully and entering normal operation according to the LEDs on their
respective boards.

Display board gives HD sync output but no VD or luminance.
.
I've traced the VD output back to the MM5321 sync. generator IC on the
display board. It has a clock input, both power supply rails and the
vertical reset input is inactive (High). The horizontal outputs are
present but no vertical drive output.

I'm thinking the MM5321 is dead, but just wondered if anyone else has been
down this path before, or has any other suggestions?

Next question is where to find an MM5321. Littlediode have them at a
price, but any other ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Kevin


Re: 2430a battery and cal constants

jvanderwall1941
 

The supply impedance might matter. Does the scope have a high-impedance input with a switchable 50 ohm termination?

--- In TekScopes@..., Chris Moore <chris2phermoore@...> wrote:

I guess it would need to be a clean dc, though. Since I'm working on the only scope that I have, I have no way of knowing how clean it is. Filter caps shouldn't hurt anything.

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From: Tom Miller <tmiller@...>
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 2430a battery and cal constants
To: TekScopes@...
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 5:51 PM


 




With DC, it does not matter.
 
 
Tom
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Moore
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 2430a battery and cal constants

 











Hi Bob,
 
Thanks for your help.
No I don't think I do have access to a pg506. My scope isn't calibrated right now anyway, so I don't have anything to lose by trying a benchtop power supply. I just need to know how to hook it up. I was thinking about a cable with dual bnc on one end and positive and ground banana plugs on the other end. My concern is the impedence since the manual says to use a 50 ohm cable. Any suggestions?
 
Thanks,
Chris

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From: Bob Koller <testtech@...>
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 2430a battery and cal constants
To: "TekScopes@..." <TekScopes@...>
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 2:27 PM


 



Chris, the levels must be quite accurate and stable, or the cal will fail. Can you borrow a Tek PG506 and mainframe?






From: Chris Moore <chris2phermoore@...>
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 2430a battery and cal constants


 





Hello,
 
I finally got a battery and installed it. I powered up the scope and did a self cal. Now, all the startup diagnostics pass except the cal constants. I looked at the ext cal section of the manual and it said to connect a 50 ohm cable to both channels and a calibration generator. Can I just use a dual output supply with the right cable or cables.
 
Thanks,
Chris

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From: DaveC <davec2468@...>
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 2430a battery and cal constants
To: TekScopes@...
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 4:53 PM


 

Tadiran makes a full-size AA 3.6v lithium that approximates the mAh
spec of the original in the 2430a.

After replacing that, Chris, simply follow the self-calibration
on-screen prompts. It asks for (if memory serves) a 5v input voltage
and a couple of other things and you're done.

When I replaced the battery in my 2430a I, too, thought I'd need to
do a full calibration, but it did not. Your scope may indeed be out
of calibration, but you don't need to do this just to get it back
into an "operable" state.

Just replace the battery, follow the on-screen calibration steps and
see what you get then. If you still need to do a full calib., so be
it. But I don't think you will.

Cheers,
Dave

-=-=-=-

Chris, If memory serves, you can use one of the 1/2AA size Tadiran
lithium batteries. Also, it will need a complete calibration, both
Internal and External. This is actually not difficult to do, but you
do need a calibration generator and the service manual. It may
require a couple of passes through the cal procedure. Did this
instrument work correctly before the battery died? Contact me off
list for more info.
-=-=-=-

Hello,

Would anyone happen to have the part number for a good replacement
battery for my 2430a. It seems the dead one that I removed is
obsolete. Also, since I'm sure that I've lost data, what is the
cheapest and easiest way of getting that back. Hopefully not
calibration, since that would be way out of my league and/or price
range. Any help for this beginner would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Chris

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