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Is it possible to test 2465B power supply boards outside of the scope?

Grayson Evans
 

Wondering if anyone has been able to test the 2465B power supply boards (A1A2, A3) together, without reinstalling into the scope?
This would allow checking the supply voltages and ripple to at least make sure the mods/fixes worked.
I can't tell by looking at the schematic if the regulators require a load in order to work properly, or some circuit path needs to be connected.
The maintenance manual shows test points throughout the power supply schematic with waveforms, but I don't see how in the world to access these locations if the unit is installed in the scope.
Thanks,


Re: smd precision resistor "paint layer" peeled off while soldering *** advice needed ***

Chuck Harris <cfharris@...>
 

Oh, I missed that it was the resistor's paint. They are toast,
and must be replaced. I thought he was talking about the solder
mask paint.

-Chuck Harris

Ed Breya via groups.io wrote:

If the over-coating on these SMDs has floated or burned off, then it's likely due to being undercut by the corrosive, leaked electrolyte. This stuff can travel considerable distance by capillary action on the surfaces. From your description of the resistors affected, they are fairly high precision, metal film types. The paint flaking off indicates the metal films have been compromised by the corrosion, so may be out of spec - they would tend to be higher in resistance due to missing some of the metal. Try to measure the values in-circuit, as accurately as possible, considering the associated circuitry.

If you get everything properly cleaned up and working again, you can measure the operating voltages in that section, and assess whether the resistors are still OK. If good, just leave them alone.

Ed






Re: smd precision resistor "paint layer" peeled off while soldering *** advice needed ***

Ed Breya
 

If the over-coating on these SMDs has floated or burned off, then it's likely due to being undercut by the corrosive, leaked electrolyte. This stuff can travel considerable distance by capillary action on the surfaces. From your description of the resistors affected, they are fairly high precision, metal film types. The paint flaking off indicates the metal films have been compromised by the corrosion, so may be out of spec - they would tend to be higher in resistance due to missing some of the metal. Try to measure the values in-circuit, as accurately as possible, considering the associated circuitry.

If you get everything properly cleaned up and working again, you can measure the operating voltages in that section, and assess whether the resistors are still OK. If good, just leave them alone.

Ed


Re: 7A26 edge distortion

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 02:49 PM, Raymond Domp Frank wrote:


I temporarily put some small caps (3 - 10 pF) in parallel with one trimmer-cap
at a time and so far, I've found 5 (yes, five) that immediately made the pulse
steeper, without overdoing it, in both channels!
I'm afraid this is going to exhaust my donor supply...
The problem was indeed caused by defective trimcaps: I started by replacing 4 (four !) open trimcaps in Ch2, made preliminary adjustments and took another picture. See album.

I'd never have thought that practically (?) all trimcaps of the problem-type would be defective in the one unit but then again, it *is* a systemic problem.

Thanks to John and Roger for your help and suggestions!

Raymond


Re: Tek 4654M; No Trace, No +5V, No +95V; Help

adesilva_1999@...
 

I understand and I figured out what made me think otherwise. It is the generic picture of a multiplier they have on the semiconductor manual at the top of that page! Lesson learnt.


Re: 067-0912-00 needed

Clark Foley
 

Dennis,

Did you ever make duplicates of that early 7804N conversion board (K7-1286-XA)?

Clark


Re: 577D1 Phantom base current

Michael W. Lynch
 

DW,

My "ZERO Line trace" stays flat, right against the bottom of the CRT graticule. When testing a transistor with the steps set to 1, I see two lines, the first is that "zero line trace" at the very bottom of the CRT and when increasing the collector voltage this line always moves straight across from left to right, with no perceptible vertical deflection. The next line or trace would be the single trace that you would expect to get. As the collector voltage knob is increased, that trace moves left and up from the corner of the graticule, as one would expect. Of course, this is indicating increased voltage as well as the presence of current. The ZERO line is always present , representing the collector voltage knob position, regardless of the number of steps selected, except when the collector voltage knob is set to zero; when it becomes a single dot. Hope this answers your question.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


Re: 577D1 Phantom base current

DW
 

Michael,

Thanks for the reply. From what you observed I am not getting the same results. The phenomenon I am experiencing seems to be an issue with improper biasing on the base terminal.

When you set the set the step generator to the single setting, do you notice when raising the collector voltage there appears to be current increase initially then levels off horizontally across the display. And when setting the step amplitude higher or lower this will affect how how much vertical deflection until the line goes horizontal again. Or does it just stay flat at 0. I hope this makes sense.


Re: 067-0912-00 needed

Dave Daniel
 

A schematic for the -00 version of the board is in the datasheet link on the TekWiki page to which Dennis pointed.

DaveD

On Oct 21, 2020, at 13:45, Dennis Tillman W7pF <dennis@ridesoft.com> wrote:

Hi Eric,
I can't help with a schematic, but there is some information on this card on TekWiki at
http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/067-0912-00
Dennis Tillman W7pF

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:55 AM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: [TekScopes] 067-0912-00 needed

I am thinking about trying to tackle a calibration on my 7854. I have confirmed that the digital and analog sections are out of adjustment. The digital section is about .8 division left of center. In looking through the calibration document It seems I have everything I need to do the calibration except the 067-0912-00 the analog test board. How likely is this something that I am going to be able to acquire it does not look too complex from the schematic just a few IC’s and a data bus.







--
Dennis Tillman W7pF
TekScopes Moderator





Re: 067-0912-00 needed

 

Hi Eric,
I can't help with a schematic, but there is some information on this card on TekWiki at
http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/067-0912-00
Dennis Tillman W7pF

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:55 AM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: [TekScopes] 067-0912-00 needed

I am thinking about trying to tackle a calibration on my 7854. I have confirmed that the digital and analog sections are out of adjustment. The digital section is about .8 division left of center. In looking through the calibration document It seems I have everything I need to do the calibration except the 067-0912-00 the analog test board. How likely is this something that I am going to be able to acquire it does not look too complex from the schematic just a few IC’s and a data bus.







--
Dennis Tillman W7pF
TekScopes Moderator


067-0912-00 needed

Eric
 

I am thinking about trying to tackle a calibration on my 7854. I have confirmed that the digital and analog sections are out of adjustment. The digital section is about .8 division left of center. In looking through the calibration document It seems I have everything I need to do the calibration except the 067-0912-00 the analog test board. How likely is this something that I am going to be able to acquire it does not look too complex from the schematic just a few IC’s and a data bus.


Re: Tek 4654M; No Trace, No +5V, No +95V; Help

Michael W. Lynch
 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, <adesilva_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:


I wonder what made them use the same part number for two entirely different
things - one with the tripler and the rest of the HV circuitry and one that
has just the tripler!
They did not use the same part number for two different parts. The 455 and 465M both use the U550 designation in their schematics, both use the identical TEK part # 152-0635-00. 152-0635-00 is the "all in one" HV Multiplier along with other circuitry.

The 465(not "M)/465B/475 , on the other hand, use the 152-0552-01, which is the stand alone "6 stage" Multiplier, not usable in the 455/465M. This series of scopes has the other circuitry externally, on the main board. Much easier to fix, but less manufacturing friendly.

--
Michael Lynch
Dardanelle, AR


Re: smd precision resistor "paint layer" peeled off while soldering *** advice needed ***

Richard in Edenton NC
 

Thanks Chuck

73 Richard W4MCD


Re: 7A26 edge distortion

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 04:20 AM, Raymond Domp Frank wrote:


One of my 7A26's distorts a 1 ns falling edge (PG506, followed by 50 Ohm
attenuator) as shown in this photo:

https://groups.io/g/TekScopes/album?id=255438

Both channels show the same. I've looked for what I considered obvious
problems like the Display Switching area (7A26 SM dwg 4) but haven't found the
cause yet. Other 7A26's show the edge fine.
This is my newest 7A26 (main PCB code 670-2549-21)!
S/N 709928, so Heerenveen. It's the only one in my collection with a green PCB and 155-0078's with date code "429", I guess that's 8429.

Raymond


Re: 7A26 edge distortion

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 07:52 AM, Roger Evans wrote:


The picture suggests that the signal might be switching from the full
bandwidth to the 20MHz version at around the 40% level. Have you looked at the
biassing of Q860, Q880 and also for leakage in Q860, Q880, CR860 CR880? It
seems to me that the problem must be related to the semiconductors since a
purely linear circuit should affect positive and negative edges equally.
Hi Roger,
Since these components constitute most of the common parts, I had done some testing in that area. I checked Vbe across Q820 / Q840, Q860 / Q880 and they were correct. I pulled Q860 and Q880 and lifted one end of CR860. No difference.
Next, I bridged some of the trimmer caps with small fixed caps each at a time and found a significant influence. I'm going to check and replace trimmer caps!

Raymond


Re: 7A26 edge distortion

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 06:55 AM, John Gord wrote:


The 7A26 has a number of small ceramic trim caps of a design that has proved
to be prone to going open circuit. You may have failures at the same point of
both channels, unlikely as that seems. I would suspect C1432 and C2432 in
particular, since they seem likely to affect the highest frequency signals.
Try turning them: if they have gone open circuit turning them will have little
to no effect. If those are not the problem, try others!
Hi John,
I know the problem with the trimmer caps. I found several that had no effect, initially blaming that on the lack of HF content in the signal as it appears and not expecting a multi-device failure.
I temporarily put some small caps (3 - 10 pF) in parallel with one trimmer-cap at a time and so far, I've found 5 (yes, five) that immediately made the pulse steeper, without overdoing it, in both channels!
I'm afraid this is going to exhaust my donor supply...

Raymond


Re: 7A26 edge distortion

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 06:27 AM, John Gord wrote:


Is the rising edge OK?
Hi John,
Both edges show the same behavior.

Raymond


Re: Nice 556 still available for free but pickup only

Chris J
 

Omit, previous message as I see your title, plainly states, "available for free".... Still waking up, here. Good price for a hobbyist with little to spare. Best email is Cjuried@yahoo.com and phone is 954-478-4355 


Sincerely,    
 
Chris
https://juriedengineering.com/

FCC Licensed RF Coordinator
Audio Engineering Society (AES) Member  


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On Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 10:53:14 PM EDT, Grayson Evans <wa4gvm@gmail.com> wrote:





Hi Chris,
You are welcome to come pick it up.  Ft. Lauderdale to here is about an hour and 15 maybe 30 I think.
If you are interested, send me an email and I will send you an address.

Grayson


Re: Nice 556 still available for free but pickup only

Chris J
 

Sure. Cjuried@yahoo.com how much are you a asking? 


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On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 10:53 PM, Grayson Evans<wa4gvm@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Chris,
You are welcome to come pick it up.  Ft. Lauderdale to here is about an hour and 15 maybe 30 I think.
If you are interested, send me an email and I will send you an address.

Grayson


Re: Tek 2430A collapsed screen image

Tom Lee
 

Hi Szabolcs,

By any chance, are you related at all to the violinist Joseph Szigeti?

--Cheers,
Tom

--
Prof. Thomas H. Lee
Allen Ctr., Rm. 205
350 Jane Stanford Way
Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305-4070
http://www-smirc.stanford.edu

On 10/21/2020 02:01, Szabolcs Szigeti wrote:
Hi,

This could be a lot of things. But the first thing is to check the power
supplies. If you don't have the service manual, first get it from for
example TekWiki: http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/2430
Check all the power rails for proper voltage and ripple. If they are not
good, chances are that you have bad caps in the PSU, common for this model
r have a shorted cap on one of the boards.
Also check the interconnecting cables between the boards.
These are the checks I would do first.

Szabolcs


<jwdtek@charter.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2020. okt. 21., Sze, 6:39):

Does anyone know what can cause the screen image to collapse and only show
a large dot in the middle of the screen on a TEK 2430? I'm new to this
group. I post a photo in "Tek 2430A collapse Screen image"

Thanks!






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