Re: Tektronix Blue paint
Richard Knoppow
The formatting is lost on my machine. perhaps you can send it they way I send photographic formulas. Example below.
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Kodak D-76 Water (at 125F or 52C).................750.0 mL Metol....................................2.0 grams Sodium Sulfite, desiccated.............100.0 grams Hydroquinon..............................5.0 grams Borax, granular..........................2.0 grams Water to make............................1.0 Liter I think this will stay pretty much intact.
On 7/11/2020 1:44 PM, Reed Dickinson wrote:
Years ago a friend, Stan Griffiths, now deceased, passed on to me this Tektronix Blue paint formula. He called it Williamsburg Blue. He said it came from a commercial paint company but I really do not know how to read the formula. Here it is: --
Richard Knoppow dickburk@ix.netcom.com WB6KBL
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Re: Tektronix Blue paint
Reed Dickinson
I am re-sending the data as the columns did not line up. Years ago a friend, Stan Griffiths, now deceased, passed on to me this Tektronix Blue paint formula. He called it Williamsburg Blue. He said it came from a commercial paint company but I really do not know how to read the formula. Here it is:
B 4Y22 Black, C 33 Yellow oxide, D 1Y29 Green, W 1Y32 White, E 1Y45 Blue, Base 7-916Y = ounces, 4Y = 4 ounces, 48 Points = 1 ounce Another formula, this one from the late Dean Kidd, is as follows: Base, E480 DBD Interior Satin Lamp Black 37 shots, Thalo Green 22 half shots, Thalo Blue 30 half shots, white 1 ounce 8 shots I would appreciate any feedback on these two formulas for my notes. Reed Dickinson, 1705 Stonehenge Drive, Tustin, CA 92780, reed714@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Tek 465 Turns on, No Dot, No Trace
Stephen
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 09:05 AM, Tom Miller wrote:
Hmmm... Does it have to be a carbon comp resistor? I may try to build one using the existing enclosure. I hope it’s not dipped in epoxy. Dinos at Q-Service is out of this part. He’s really a very nice guy. I’ve dealt with him a few time, and talked to him on the phone last week. Maybe I can just replace the parts inside. But I have the feeling it’s not gonna be that easy... Plus, replacing that part apparently requires removing the entire board, which is a project in itself. Grrrr... PS: Were those cracklings sounds i heard to be expected? That startled me. I hope nothing was damaged...
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Tektronix Blue paint
Reed Dickinson
Years ago a friend, Stan Griffiths, now deceased, passed on to me this Tektronix Blue paint formula. He called it Williamsburg Blue. He said it came from a commercial paint company but I really do not know how to read the formula. Here it is:
B 4Y22 BlackC 33 Yellow oxideD 1Y29 GreenW 1Y32 WhiteE 1Y45 Blue Y = ounces4Y = 4 ounces48 Points = 1 ounce Another formula, this one from the late Dean Kidd, is as follows: Base, E480 DBD Interior Satin Shots Half shots Lamp Black 37Thalo Green 22 1Thalo Blue 30 1White 1 Oz 8 I would appreciate any feedback on these two formulas for my notes. Reed Dickinson1705 Stonehenge DriveTustin, CA 92780reed714@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Tek 465 Turns on, No Dot, No Trace
Ok, that sounds like the main problem. That HV multiplier is also used in the 475 scope as well as the A and B versions. You might check with Q service in Greece ( excellent to deal with) or search the part number 152-0552-00. Here is one on ebay. https://www.ebay.com/p/1501921351 but a bit expensive.
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Another option is to build one from parts - it's a cockcroff-walton multiplier. Should be some info in the archives on groups.io. It is a tripler so three caps and three diodes plus a 1-3 meg carbon comp resistor and a case to put it in. Pot with wax. Ask on the group if anyone has a spare. Regards
On 7/11/2020 2:24 PM, Stephen wrote:
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 06:24 AM, Tom Miller wrote:There is a wire jumper at board location A-5 that provides the ground toOk, so I did lift that jumper. GOOD MEMORY BTW!!! A-5 it was!! Remind me NOT to ever play Naval BattleS with you! --
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Re: Cleaning TM500 module pushbutton switches
Roy Thistle
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 08:20 AM, J Mcvein wrote:
according to the filings, they are using hydro-treated spent lubricating oil. fish oil is more valuable for making axle grease... a.k.a. as margarine. Ya... don't use margarine to lube your TM500 module push-button switches.
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Re: Cleaning TM500 module pushbutton switches
Roy Thistle
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 06:18 PM, Greg Muir wrote:
The liquid stuff, in the gallon cans, in CONUS, is "different", from the spray, in a way that may explain your observations. Too much chemistry, in one's posts, makes one unpopular... But... "petroleum oils" oxidize, change colour, and become more viscous, in humid, and acidic (Hawaiian ocean air?) environments over sufficient time. The spray imparts only a thin layer of "petroleum oil" ... and most of that drips off, along with the solvent. The little that remains... well...sunlight, heat, dust, and even microbes, they soon diminish that. The oxidation of the thicker layer of "petroleum oil" applied... by using {heavy coatings} of the the liquid stuff, in the gallon cans could... at least partly explain what you observed. Ya... don't use the liquid stuff, in the gallon cans, to dip your TM500 module push-button switches.
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Re: 7904
Hmmm. I guess I can't save links with dropbox. Any suggestions?
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Bill
On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 03:10:29 PM EDT, Bill Riches via groups.io <bill.riches=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Here are some trace shots - sense tp low volt reg and reg board. Looks like-50 and -5 looks bad on the low volt reg board. Any suggestions? In a good power supply will it power up with not being connected to main frame or go into burst mode due to no load? Trusty 465 used - first tek I purchased in 1980. Still going strong! 73, Bill, WA2DVUCape May609 425 8651 7904 ps sense test point LV reg board | | | | | | | | | | | 7904 ps sense test point LV reg board Shared with Dropbox | | | 7904 Rectifier board | | | | | | | | | | | 7904 Rectifier board Shared with Dropbox | | |
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7904
Here are some trace shots - sense tp low volt reg and reg board.
Looks like-50 and -5 looks bad on the low volt reg board. Any suggestions? In a good power supply will it power up with not being connected to main frame or go into burst mode due to no load? Trusty 465 used - first tek I purchased in 1980. Still going strong! 73, Bill, WA2DVUCape May609 425 8651 7904 ps sense test point LV reg board | | | | | | | | | | | 7904 ps sense test point LV reg board Shared with Dropbox | | | 7904 Rectifier board | | | | | | | | | | | 7904 Rectifier board Shared with Dropbox | | |
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Re: Looking for
stevenhorii
Dave,
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Yes, you are correct. Out of curiosity, I looked up Grass Valley and they became part of Belden but now they are part of Black Dragon. I had a video distribution amplifier made by Grass Valley. Steve
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 2:59 PM Dave Seiter <d.seiter@att.net> wrote:
I *think* it was the other way round- Grass Valley group spun off from
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Re: Looking for
Dave Seiter
I *think* it was the other way round- Grass Valley group spun off from Tek.
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-Dave
On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 09:32:58 AM PDT, stevenhorii <sonodocsch@gmail.com> wrote:
I have several older Tek NTSC video test items. I had a 1910 digital generator that was useful in the days of SDTV. If I am not mistaken, Tek acquired Grass Valley. Group. They made (make, I think) broadcast video equipment. The Tek test signal generators, waveform monitors, vector scopes, sync generators, etc. were made by Tek. Steve H. On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:27 Kurt Swanson <kurt2135@frontiernet.net> wrote: I have a 7J20. Unfortunately, I don't have the sampling head. I've had
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Re: Looking for
Dave Daniel
I have a DP-100. It was pretty inexpensive. I remember wondering when I received it what I was going to do with it. I still haven't come up with anything.
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DaveD
On 7/11/2020 12:32 PM, stevenhorii wrote:
For those seeking a 7J20/J20 or parts, after the other posts on this, I’ve --
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Re: FG-504 not-so odd behavior
keantoken
10*10^2=1KHz, so it seems to be partly working. All functions should be 1KHz so something is off.
Check that the oscillation is coming from the oscillator. The oscillator may be behaving normally and the output amp is oscillating on it's own. If they are both oscillating at 25MHz then I would look at the decoupling caps or a broken ground causing feedback between the output amp and the oscillator. I would try a little harder to identify the fault in the non functional one. It could be that when you find the problem it will suddenly work fine with no issues. On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 09:51:04 AM CDT, John Ferguson via groups.io <jferg977=aol.com@groups.io> wrote: with the FG 504 set at start freq 10, stop freq 40, multiplier at 10^2, sweep off, measured on my 2445b, Sine freq 982.3 Hz, Sawtooth 975.9 Hz and Square wave 24.5 mHz. The square wave is an asymmetrical sine wave, not the Sawtooth I was expecting. Since I have two of these things and this one at least does this, and also the sweeps and other functions, all except a square wave, and the other one does nothing, this might be the one to fix. What do you think? john
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Re: Tek 465 Turns on, No Dot, No Trace
Stephen
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 06:24 AM, Tom Miller wrote:
Ok, so I did lift that jumper. GOOD MEMORY BTW!!! A-5 it was!! Remind me NOT to ever play Naval BattleS with you! The CRT came to life. I had something when playing With the Intensity and pushing the Beam Finder. But at the same time I did this, I heard some weird cracklings noises coming from the HV area, and a funny smell. Nothing caught fire though. I turn everything down and released the B Finder. Then I turned it off. What say you? Is this good or bad? What are my options? Best Regards
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Re: Tektronix Blue paint - source in the UK ??
I can get that done in the U.K. so I guess it’s still common
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Robin
On 11 Jul 2020, at 17:09, Dave Daniel <kc0wjn@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: FG 504 function generator odd behaviour
Harvey White
Generic steps:
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turn scope off, wait 5 minutes or so, turn scope on. See if -25 is good (something could have latched up). with power off, check continuity of fuses or with power on, check for very low voltage drop across the fuse. There must always be a voltage drop because the fuse acts like a resistor. Look at the bulk supply for the -25. Check against voltage readings on the schematic. Go through regulator circuit to output and see what doesn't match. Any transistor where the base-emitter voltage is the wrong polarity indicates transistor is off. Any transistor (except a darlington) where the B-E voltage exceeds 0.7 volts is likely bad. Typical things to fail: pass transistor. in the event of a short circuit, check the current sense resistor (the low value one from the pass transistor to the output) and then check the (frequently done like this) transistor which has the base/emitter junction connected across the resistor. Too much current and the transistor turns on, stealing base drive from the pass transistor, and turning it off. Current limiting. In many tek supplies, the - supply is a positive supply in topology, with what would be the ground being the negative lead, and what you'd think ought to be the positive output grounded. The voltage across the pass transistor is the difference between the bulk supply and the desired voltage. Check also to see what the reference voltage is for the -25 volt supply. It must be exact, otherwise the supply will be off. Harvey
On 7/11/2020 1:56 PM, Colin Herbert via groups.io wrote:
Oops! I have checked the voltages and while the +25V (+24.99), +15V (+14.98)
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Re: FG 504 function generator odd behaviour
Colin Herbert
Oops! I have checked the voltages and while the +25V (+24.99), +15V (+14.98)
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and -15V (-14.98) are just about bang on, the -25V is sitting at -3.58V. I really can't remember if this was the case when I checked previously, but it is now. I did manage to short something out with the DMM probes, so that may have given this problem, but sure as sure it needs to be fixed, but how? Colin.
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From: TekScopes@groups.io [mailto:TekScopes@groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Daniel Sent: 10 July 2020 18:13 To: TekScopes@groups.io Subject: Re: [TekScopes] FG 504 function generator odd behaviour The first thing to do is measure the power rails to make sure that the voltages are in spec and clean. DaveD On Jul 10, 2020, at 13:04, Colin Herbert via groups.io<colingherbert=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: shows asymmetry in that the negative peaks of the wave are rounded-off at any frequency and the positive ones have a similar but lesser problem at higher frequencies. This also seems to manifest itself as what looks like cut-off on the negative peaks of the sine-wave and lesser cut-off on positive peaks. While the triangle-waves are more-or-less symmetrical, the sine-waves are definitely not so, showing a nearly three-to-one voltage ratio in favour of positive peaks. There is also noticeably overshoot on the square-waves at anything above 1kHz and only a DC offset at frequencies below 80Hz. I am totally ignorant of how this function generator producestriangle-waves, but I do understand that the square-waves and sine-waves are derived from the triangle-wave. Does anyone have any help that they can offer? I would be grateful to get this useful function-generator working properly. Colin.
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Re: Tektronix 2230
Saroj Pradhan
Hi Raymond
Thank you for the information. Saroj
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Re: Tek 465 Turns on, No Dot, No Trace
There is a wire jumper at board location A-5 that provides the ground to the HV multiplier. (note that I am going from old memory so take with a grain of salt). Measure to ground to see if it is grounded. It is next to a mounting screw for the multi module. Just lift one end and see if the HV osc comes up.
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If the HV osc is not running, all the CRT vltage readings will be off. Regards
On 7/11/2020 6:31 AM, Stephen wrote:
I notice something I didn’t pay attention to before. That is TP1486 should go from 15V to 75V depending on the position of the Intensity control knob. However, mine goes from 15V to only 31V with the intensity maxed out... --
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Re: Looking for
stevenhorii
For those seeking a 7J20/J20 or parts, after the other posts on this, I’ve
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decided I won’t continue searching for one other than out of interest of what the price might be. It would be a novelty for me as I have equipment I need to do the testing I do. By the way, there’s an interesting module on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1pp-1-qty-tektronix-dp-100-digital-video-probe/264388939882 Apparently a TM500 plug-in (TekWiki) and a pod is shown with it on the TekWiki page but not by the seller on eBay. I have several older Tek NTSC video test items. I had a 1910 digital generator that was useful in the days of SDTV. If I am not mistaken, Tek acquired Grass Valley. Group. They made (make, I think) broadcast video equipment. The Tek test signal generators, waveform monitors, vector scopes, sync generators, etc. were made by Tek. Steve H.
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 11:27 Kurt Swanson <kurt2135@frontiernet.net> wrote:
I have a 7J20. Unfortunately, I don't have the sampling head. I've had
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