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Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Richard Knoppow
 

I think there are some people who do not have a mail server that Thunderbird or other mail clients can connect to. I agree its much better to use a mail client for mailing lists and I happen to use Thunderbird also.  I have a friend who is not very computer literate. She uses computers at the library or university to access the web and has a Yahoo mail account. I suppose there are members of this list in the same boat. However I don't recommend it.
    Thunderbird is free and works pretty well but you need a mail server. All the list systems will forward directly to an e-mail address, some don't even have web sites. All decent mail clients have filters which will direct incoming mail to folders. I have about twenty on this machine. At least in T'bird they are easy to create.

On 12/31/2017 9:03 PM, Merchison Burke via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't mean to brag but for the benefit of those who have trouble reading (or replying to) posts from "yahoogroups.com" and "groups.io", I use Thunderbird (52.5.2) (32 bit) under Win 7 Pro (32 bit) and I have set up "yahoogroups.com" and "groups.io" to send messages to my e-mail client as they occur. I never use a browser to read any group posts.

I have no problem linking from Thunderbird to Firefox (57.0.3) (32 bit) so that I can view the URLs, except on the rear occasion Thunderbird won't link to Firefox. I then reboot my computer and the links work.

I find that reading (or replying to) group posts in Thunderbird is far easier than logging-in with a browser to read or reply to any posts.

On 2017-Dec-31 10:44 PM, Dano wrote:
Yep, can confirm, same issue with Safari on my Mac.  (prior tests were all PC w/FF)

So, seems to pretty much be down to Groups.io.  Oh well, not something we're gonna fix.

Again, sorry for the wasted bandwidth and cluttering of this thread.  In the future, I'll start a new one for issues.

Cheers!

-Dano
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Richard Knoppow
dickburk@ix.netcom.com
WB6KBL


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Merchison Burke
 

I don't mean to brag but for the benefit of those who have trouble reading (or replying to) posts from "yahoogroups.com" and "groups.io", I use Thunderbird (52.5.2) (32 bit) under Win 7 Pro (32 bit) and I have set up "yahoogroups.com" and "groups.io" to send messages to my e-mail client as they occur. I never use a browser to read any group posts.

I have no problem linking from Thunderbird to Firefox (57.0.3) (32 bit) so that I can view the URLs, except on the rear occasion Thunderbird won't link to Firefox. I then reboot my computer and the links work.

I find that reading (or replying to) group posts in Thunderbird is far easier than logging-in with a browser to read or reply to any posts.

On 2017-Dec-31 10:44 PM, Dano wrote:
Yep, can confirm, same issue with Safari on my Mac. (prior tests were all PC w/FF)

So, seems to pretty much be down to Groups.io. Oh well, not something we're gonna fix.

Again, sorry for the wasted bandwidth and cluttering of this thread. In the future, I'll start a new one for issues.

Cheers!

-Dano



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Re: TDS-520

jafinch78 .
 

I appreciate you dealing with the PITA issue. Thanks for your time. No hurry on my end as I am taking a break for the holidays to do more not as technical projects, plus I did find the manual though there is only volume 2 (070-8313-00). Any ideas on volume 1? At least volume 2 has A10 through A21 modules detailed. Man, schematics are a PITA on a laptop.

What is a strapping resistor... like a resistor placed to make a trace bridge basically so different models can use different values or "strap" directly?

Seems I read somewhere that in the firmware the scopes can determine what hardware model boot processes to load based on resistor configurations like you note.

Is that correct? I guess that would be the EPROM instructing the Firmware chips. Though aren't the Firmware chips on the firmware board for the TDS-520?

I am guessing later models use the NVRAM since looks like later model boards have two Dallas/Maxim NVRAM chips. Is that correct?

Seems I read somewhere in later models... that was changed so there are no firmware modules.

Thanks and I appreciate you taking the time to look into.

Happy Holidays!


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Dano
 

Yep, can confirm, same issue with Safari on my Mac. (prior tests were all PC w/FF)

So, seems to pretty much be down to Groups.io. Oh well, not something we're gonna fix.

Again, sorry for the wasted bandwidth and cluttering of this thread. In the future, I'll start a new one for issues.

Cheers!

-Dano


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Michael A. Terrell
 

Groups.IO displays both brackets. It ignores the first bracket when you try to use the URL, so it's a problem with Groups.IO.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dano <nojunkmail@cd-envisions.com>
Sent: Dec 31, 2017 9:46 PM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Are you willing to try an replicate my problem? If so...

Login to groups.io via firefox (not your email in firefox)
View this message thread
Hover over your prior URL's
Look in lower left corner of FF and see what the "real" hyperlink is now.

Does is have paired brackets for you?




Michael A. Terrell


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Michael A. Terrell
 

There is always Firefox ESR but that has its own set of problems, like losing your bookmarks and browser history.

-----Original Message-----
From: Artekmedia <manuals@artekmanuals.com>
Sent: Dec 31, 2017 9:44 PM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Dano

If your running the new Firefox version 57 ...many things are broken
...many plug-ins just simply disappeared without warning.. The whole
upgrade process felt eerily like the WIN-10 "free upgrade" of 2015.
Dealing with the FF help desk feels very much like dealing with
Microsquish these days. "We are sorry we dont support this and we dont
support that anymore" ...the bookmark files folders are now Gray ..you
want yellow folders? ....Helen Hunt has them ..so go to hell and hunt.
After two weeks of frustration I switched to Chrome as my default browser.

It was supposed to be faster and it is,  trouble is at 5 seconds a click
savings it will take me years to recover the 96 hours of non recursing
effort I put into trying to get things I need to work right again.

I dont have a dog in this fight, too many variables ..but the link as
posted works here in Chrome not in FF57, It will work in FF-57 if you
remove both the <>. I couldn't get the link to work in IE with or
without brackets?

Dave
manuals@artekmanuals.com



On 12/31/2017 9:22 PM, Dano wrote:
Totally understand that, but without equal brackets, it doesn't comply with the standard (been in IT for 25 years). Something is getting automagically fixed somewhere, that or automagically broken. I think it's the first, but I don't (won't) use other browsers, so I don't know how they are behaving (or not).

I'm using Firefox, so it's not an uncommon browser, maybe it's a bug.

Seriously, just try hovering over your links, they show unequal brackets. Either both brackets need to be there, or neither.

Not trying to be a pain in the rear, but someone else IS going to have the same problem and not know why. So, I'm trying to help get future links posted, properly. I don't care, I know how to cut and paste to fix it, others might not.

Cheers!

-Dano



--
Dave
Manuals@ArtekManuals.com
www.ArtekManuals.com





Michael A. Terrell


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Dano
 

Yep, know all about that too, I'm preparing to downgrade because every plugin is disabled, and I at least need Session Manager to work! I won't do Chrome or IE, but open to other non-tracking browsers.

-Dano


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Dano
 

Are you willing to try an replicate my problem? If so...

Login to groups.io via firefox (not your email in firefox)
View this message thread
Hover over your prior URL's
Look in lower left corner of FF and see what the "real" hyperlink is now.

Does is have paired brackets for you?


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Artekmedia <manuals@...>
 

Dano

If your running the new Firefox version 57 ...many things are broken ...many plug-ins just simply disappeared without warning.. The whole upgrade process felt eerily like the WIN-10 "free upgrade" of 2015. Dealing with the FF help desk feels very much like dealing with Microsquish these days. "We are sorry we dont support this and we dont support that anymore" ...the bookmark files folders are now Gray ..you want yellow folders? ....Helen Hunt has them ..so go to hell and hunt. After two weeks of frustration I switched to Chrome as my default browser.

It was supposed to be faster and it is,  trouble is at 5 seconds a click savings it will take me years to recover the 96 hours of non recursing effort I put into trying to get things I need to work right again.

I dont have a dog in this fight, too many variables ..but the link as posted works here in Chrome not in FF57, It will work in FF-57 if you remove both the <>. I couldn't get the link to work in IE with or without brackets?

Dave
manuals@artekmanuals.com

On 12/31/2017 9:22 PM, Dano wrote:
Totally understand that, but without equal brackets, it doesn't comply with the standard (been in IT for 25 years). Something is getting automagically fixed somewhere, that or automagically broken. I think it's the first, but I don't (won't) use other browsers, so I don't know how they are behaving (or not).

I'm using Firefox, so it's not an uncommon browser, maybe it's a bug.

Seriously, just try hovering over your links, they show unequal brackets. Either both brackets need to be there, or neither.

Not trying to be a pain in the rear, but someone else IS going to have the same problem and not know why. So, I'm trying to help get future links posted, properly. I don't care, I know how to cut and paste to fix it, others might not.

Cheers!

-Dano


--
Dave
Manuals@ArtekManuals.com
www.ArtekManuals.com


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Michael A. Terrell
 

No problem. I've worked with computers since IT meant, 'My terminal isn't working, so fix IT!' (I started in 1982) ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dano <nojunkmail@cd-envisions.com>
Sent: Dec 31, 2017 9:30 PM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Ok, just thought of another angle on this.

I use firefox to login to groups.io and respond to messages, not an email client.

So, I just checked my email client, and they show up correctly with paired brackets. If I login via groups.io, they DO NOT!

There's our automagic break routine --> groups.io UI

Sorry for muddling it up. But, now I know who the culprit is.

Cheers!

-Dano



Michael A. Terrell


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Michael A. Terrell
 

I use Firefox as well. It's email clients that usually cause the problems. I just highlight the URL, minus any brackets and right click 'Open in new tab'.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dano <nojunkmail@cd-envisions.com>
Sent: Dec 31, 2017 9:22 PM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Totally understand that, but without equal brackets, it doesn't comply with the standard (been in IT for 25 years). Something is getting automagically fixed somewhere, that or automagically broken. I think it's the first, but I don't (won't) use other browsers, so I don't know how they are behaving (or not).

I'm using Firefox, so it's not an uncommon browser, maybe it's a bug.

Seriously, just try hovering over your links, they show unequal brackets. Either both brackets need to be there, or neither.

Not trying to be a pain in the rear, but someone else IS going to have the same problem and not know why. So, I'm trying to help get future links posted, properly. I don't care, I know how to cut and paste to fix it, others might not.

Cheers!

-Dano



Michael A. Terrell


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Dano
 

Ok, just thought of another angle on this.

I use firefox to login to groups.io and respond to messages, not an email client.

So, I just checked my email client, and they show up correctly with paired brackets. If I login via groups.io, they DO NOT!

There's our automagic break routine --> groups.io UI

Sorry for muddling it up. But, now I know who the culprit is.

Cheers!

-Dano


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Dano
 

Totally understand that, but without equal brackets, it doesn't comply with the standard (been in IT for 25 years). Something is getting automagically fixed somewhere, that or automagically broken. I think it's the first, but I don't (won't) use other browsers, so I don't know how they are behaving (or not).

I'm using Firefox, so it's not an uncommon browser, maybe it's a bug.

Seriously, just try hovering over your links, they show unequal brackets. Either both brackets need to be there, or neither.

Not trying to be a pain in the rear, but someone else IS going to have the same problem and not know why. So, I'm trying to help get future links posted, properly. I don't care, I know how to cut and paste to fix it, others might not.

Cheers!

-Dano


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Michael A. Terrell
 

I post with the link between the pair of brackets, because some email clients break the links. The brackets aren't part of the URL, they simply tell non-compliant software to not break the links.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dano <nojunkmail@cd-envisions.com>
Sent: Dec 31, 2017 9:02 PM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Maybe it's my browser, but I think it's truly a bad link(s), and I suspect other browsers may be "fixing" it on the fly.

If you copy or hover over your links, they all have ">" at the end, but not at the beginning. Unequal brackets, is invalid. Hence, why I suspect some browsers may be fixing it automagically.

No big deal, long as its working!

Cheers,

-Dano



Michael A. Terrell


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Dano
 

Maybe it's my browser, but I think it's truly a bad link(s), and I suspect other browsers may be "fixing" it on the fly.

If you copy or hover over your links, they all have ">" at the end, but not at the beginning. Unequal brackets, is invalid. Hence, why I suspect some browsers may be fixing it automagically.

No big deal, long as its working!

Cheers,

-Dano


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Michael A. Terrell
 

It is a valid link. I copied it directly from the browser.

<http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/index.html> is the home page.

<http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/Ephar.html> is the hardware page.

Sometimes Earthlink chokes on its own links.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dano <nojunkmail@cd-envisions.com>
Sent: Dec 31, 2017 7:35 PM
To: TekScopes@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 02:31 pm, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


<http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/Ephar.html>
Link is no good, glorified 404 error.

-Dano



Michael A. Terrell


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Malcolm Hunter
 

Works for me.

On 1 January 2018 at 00:35, Dano <nojunkmail@cd-envisions.com> wrote:

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 02:31 pm, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


<http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/Ephar.html>
Link is no good, glorified 404 error.

-Dano




Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Dano
 

Ahh, looks like a invalid hyperlink.

try this:

http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/Ephar.html


Re: First draft of the Tek knob visual index project

Dano
 

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 02:31 pm, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


<http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/Ephar.html>
Link is no good, glorified 404 error.

-Dano


Re: A "collection" with quite a few Tek 'scopes

Dano
 

Cool, thanks for the link. I see that they decided against the double-dip fee's, that creators and payers were gonna get stuck with (for now). They've blown their integrity all to hell though.

I wish they had a simple pay to watch method. I hate the monthly subscription model, for EVERYTHING these days. Any know if that is otherwise, for Patreon? I just click the "X" button when I see the word "monthly" on any website.

Happy New Year to all

Cheers!

-Dano

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