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O.T.schematic

wa6bsw@...
 

Thought I would try this group as it seems to have more knowledgeable members than most. The compass/temp module in my '94 Dakota has died and I can't find a replacement. I need a schematic for it or a working used unit. The same unit is used in the '92-93 LaBaron. Thanks for any help.
Jerry


Re: B92A no sweep

Brent Watson <brentleew2003@...>
 

But fail very rarely


From: "Brent Watson brentleew2003@yahoo.com [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com>
To: "TekScopes@yahoogroups.com" <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] B92A no sweep

  Apparently electrolytic's aren't the only cap that can fail.

From: "tatumj1@yahoo.com [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com>
To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] B92A no sweep

  It was a small mylar cap. The ones that are cased in clear plastic. They look silver as you can see the foil inside. I doubt it would work on an electrolytic. I do not remember ever making anything work by heating an electrolytic. I suppose it could, maybe does, happen. I remember trying to heat the exposed metal on some but do not remember that it ever helped.

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Re: B92A no sweep

Brent Watson <brentleew2003@...>
 

Apparently electrolytic's aren't the only cap that can fail.

From: "tatumj1@yahoo.com [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com>
To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] B92A no sweep

  It was a small mylar cap. The ones that are cased in clear plastic. They look silver as you can see the foil inside. I doubt it would work on an electrolytic. I do not remember ever making anything work by heating an electrolytic. I suppose it could, maybe does, happen. I remember trying to heat the exposed metal on some but do not remember that it ever helped.

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Tektronix 2755AP/494AP Video Processor Adjustment Procedure

rast tro
 

I hope I'm not too off topic asking about a spectrum analyzer on this forum.

I'm looking for information on adjusting the Video Processor on a Tek 2755/494AP Spectrum analyzer.
A40 Video Processor PCB 670-8389-01

I have the service manual but adjustments for this board is not covered.
There are a few paragraphs on theory and a schematic but no explanation on how to adjust 22 potentiometers. These mostly effect band-4 leveling.

Any insights or suggestions would be appreciated.

-rastro


Re: B92A no sweep

Joseph Tatum
 

You are right. I don't ever remember finding another one bad. That one was in an old CRT type computer monitor I bought at Fort Rucker Alabama DOD sale.


Re: OT Ripple Leader LTC-905

Jerry Massengale <jmassen418@...>
 

Hi,

Yes, mine has a 3 wire power cord and the green wire is tied to the chassis
as is the system ground. I looked at the 3 dc power busses and they are
clean and at the correct voltage. The output of the step generator looks
good at the output of the buffer. I am concerned with a very long ground
bus directly tied to earth. I was tempted to disconnect chassis gnd from
signal gnd but decided to sell it instead. Another issue is the 3 banana
jacks for the transistor connection are not on the standard 0.75 inch
spacing that fit my adapters. This is all part of my downsizing efforts. I
recently sold my 576 that I really liked. One option was to use a 7CT1N
with my 7704A, The other was to acquire the Leader LTC-905 and use it with
my 2465A. I put the 905 on ebay for a very low price and will soon put the
2465A up for sale.

jerry

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Clark bclark207@cox.net [TekScopes] <
TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

What does the earth connection connect to in the curve tracer? Mine has
an original two-wire cord with standard two-prong plug - not even
polarized.


On 02/14/2017 02:24 PM, Jerry Massengale jmassen418@gmail.com
[TekScopes] wrote:

Hi,

Replacing the 4 rectifiers greatly reduced the ripple. My trace looks
like
that shown in manual. I have decided to sell the LTC-905 and keep my
7CT1N.
This unit has the 3 wire power cable.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Clark bclark207@cox.net [TekScopes] <
TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ripple, or phase error? - see section B on pg 3 in the users manual. I
had the same problem, and solved it by reversing the curve tracer plug
in the wall outlet.


On 02/13/2017 03:01 PM, Jerry Massengale jmassen418@gmail.com
[TekScopes] wrote:

Hi,

My just recieved Leader LTC-905 Curve Tracer has a small ripple on
the
display curves as displayed on my 2465A scope. The electrolytics in
the box
have good ESR. Suggestions?

jerry









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Re: B92A no sweep

 

Generally speaking these are very reliable, and have very low leakage if
this is the one I am thinking of. That is important for a linear ramp.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] B92A no sweep

It was a small mylar cap. The ones that are cased in clear plastic. They
look silver as you can see the foil inside. I doubt it would work on an
electrolytic. I do not remember ever making anything work by heating an
electrolytic. I suppose it could, maybe does, happen. I remember trying to
heat the exposed metal on some but do not remember that it ever helped.
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Re: B92A no sweep

Joseph Tatum
 

It was a small mylar cap. The ones that are cased in clear plastic. They look silver as you can see the foil inside. I doubt it would work on an electrolytic. I do not remember ever making anything work by heating an electrolytic. I suppose it could, maybe does, happen. I remember trying to heat the exposed metal on some but do not remember that it ever helped.


Re: OT Ripple Leader LTC-905

tronix_cal
 

What does the earth connection connect to in the curve tracer? Mine has
an original two-wire cord with standard two-prong plug - not even polarized.


On 02/14/2017 02:24 PM, Jerry Massengale jmassen418@gmail.com
[TekScopes] wrote:

Hi,

Replacing the 4 rectifiers greatly reduced the ripple. My trace looks like
that shown in manual. I have decided to sell the LTC-905 and keep my
7CT1N.
This unit has the 3 wire power cable.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Clark bclark207@cox.net [TekScopes] <
TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ripple, or phase error? - see section B on pg 3 in the users manual. I
had the same problem, and solved it by reversing the curve tracer plug
in the wall outlet.


On 02/13/2017 03:01 PM, Jerry Massengale jmassen418@gmail.com
[TekScopes] wrote:

Hi,

My just recieved Leader LTC-905 Curve Tracer has a small ripple on the
display curves as displayed on my 2465A scope. The electrolytics in
the box
have good ESR. Suggestions?

jerry

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Re: B92A no sweep

brentleew2003@yahoo.com <brentleew2003@...>
 

I wonder if you recall what kind of cap that was that you found with the resista-heater. I only think of electrolytics being subject to age. But I imagine others could fail as well.
Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Phone.

------ Original message------From: tatumj1@yahoo.com [TekScopes] Date: Tue, Feb 14, 2017 10:11To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com;Subject:RE: [TekScopes] B92A no sweep
  On the 2465 I just got going, heating the board with a hair drier worked to make it start working right. But freezing would not make it act up. Had to heat the MUX with a soldering iron to isolate the problem.

When you do need freeze spray and do not have easy access to it; get a can of compressed air that is used to blow dust from computers. You can turn it upside down and get the same effect as the freeze spray.

I once had a problem with a computer monitor that would come on when heated. I put a wire wound resister on the end of a dowel and connected it to a 12 v supply. I used that to reach into its innards and isolate a small cap that was causing the problem.

Probably none of the is news to most on here, but it might help sombody. Hope so anyway.

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Re: OT Ripple Leader LTC-905

Jerry Massengale <jmassen418@...>
 

Hi,

Replacing the 4 rectifiers greatly reduced the ripple. My trace looks like
that shown in manual. I have decided to sell the LTC-905 and keep my 7CT1N.
This unit has the 3 wire power cable.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Clark bclark207@cox.net [TekScopes] <
TekScopes@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ripple, or phase error? - see section B on pg 3 in the users manual. I
had the same problem, and solved it by reversing the curve tracer plug
in the wall outlet.


On 02/13/2017 03:01 PM, Jerry Massengale jmassen418@gmail.com
[TekScopes] wrote:

Hi,

My just recieved Leader LTC-905 Curve Tracer has a small ripple on the
display curves as displayed on my 2465A scope. The electrolytics in
the box
have good ESR. Suggestions?

jerry









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Re: B92A no sweep

brentleew2003@yahoo.com <brentleew2003@...>
 

I like the power resistor/heater plan. Very area specific, too. 
Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Phone.

------ Original message------From: tatumj1@yahoo.com [TekScopes] Date: Tue, Feb 14, 2017 10:11To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com;Subject:RE: [TekScopes] B92A no sweep
  On the 2465 I just got going, heating the board with a hair drier worked to make it start working right. But freezing would not make it act up. Had to heat the MUX with a soldering iron to isolate the problem.

When you do need freeze spray and do not have easy access to it; get a can of compressed air that is used to blow dust from computers. You can turn it upside down and get the same effect as the freeze spray.

I once had a problem with a computer monitor that would come on when heated. I put a wire wound resister on the end of a dowel and connected it to a 12 v supply. I used that to reach into its innards and isolate a small cap that was causing the problem.

Probably none of the is news to most on here, but it might help sombody. Hope so anyway.

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LF Compensation of a 468 scope

Colin Herbert
 

Hi,

Does no-one have any observations on this? Perhaps I am being too impatient.

I have ordered two of these BNC-to-Peltola adapters from Qservice, so I have
to wait a while for the delivery before I can do much more. I remain puzzled
that this scope and the 465B and no others in the 46x series (or the 475A)
use this method.

Colin.



From: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TekScopes@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 11 February 2017 20:45
To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Gain calibration of a 468 scope





Continuing..

I have now got to the point of trying to adjust the Low-Frequency
Compensation. I believe that I have a little too much overshoot. The manual
states that on the Vertical Output Board there are five pre-sets which
affect the compensation at 1, 10 and 100KHz. That is all very well, but
there is also a requirement set the 486 vertical mode to CH1 & CH2 alternate
and disconnect P686 from J686 on the interface board. This J686 is the "Vert
Alt Sync". Now, either a 1KHz square-wave from a low-frequency generator (an
SG502?), or the fast-rise negative output from the PG506 is connected to
J686 with a BNC-to-Peltola adaptor. I don't understand why this is
considered to be necessary or what it is actually doing.

Neither the 464 nor the 465 scopes use this protocol, but the 465B does. Is
it really necessary, or could one simply leave P686/J686 connected and just
adjust the pre-set on the Vertical Output Board?

Any help and information appreciated. I am learning a lot fiddling with this
beast.

Colin.





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Re: B92A no sweep

Joseph Tatum
 

On the 2465 I just got going, heating the board with a hair drier worked to make it start working right. But freezing would not make it act up. Had to heat the MUX with a soldering iron to isolate the problem.

When you do need freeze spray and do not have easy access to it; get a can of compressed air that is used to blow dust from computers. You can turn it upside down and get the same effect as the freeze spray.

I once had a problem with a computer monitor that would come on when heated. I put a wire wound resister on the end of a dowel and connected it to a 12 v supply. I used that to reach into its innards and isolate a small cap that was causing the problem.

Probably none of the is news to most on here, but it might help sombody. Hope so anyway.


Re: B92A no sweep

Brent Watson <brentleew2003@...>
 

Thanks Dennis,I did try the freeze spray, I though I had a result but then chalked it up to random, intermittent activity.I did try my heat gun attached to my reflow station and kept it all quite tame. Neither gave the response I was hoping. But I did run out of freeze spray before I could reach any solid conclusions, and I did not have the extender at that point. I thought I had a reaction to cold on the back ( covered by the sweep logic board) half of the interface board (B069999 and up) possibly Q902, Q912 or Q900, Q910. But I pulled and checked them and they test out OK.I will keep digging: the logic is thick though.

From: "'Dennis Tillman' dennis@ridesoft.com [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@yahoogroups.com>
To: TekScopes@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] B92A no sweep

  Hi Brent,
To get an intermittent to act up I reach for two things. I grab a can of
freeze spray, and a hair dryer. Use the hair dryer to warm up the entire
plugin. Do not use a Hot Air Gun - it gets too hot.

The freeze spray allows you to focus tighter on individual ICs or on small
areas of the PC board. More often than not the heat or the cold will trigger
an intermittent back to life.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 8:17 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] B92A no sweep

I forgot to mention that, initially last week the problem began with the
sweep working fine for the first 30 seconds and then quit. It might come
back for a few moments, even another 30 seconds on occasion before not
working at all: I assumed from a component warming up. This week however it
has not worked at all. I was able to use a thermal camera to look at heat on
the boards and found nothing unusual.Whatever it is, it isn't intermittent
any longer.
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Re: B92A no sweep

 

Hi Brent,
To get an intermittent to act up I reach for two things. I grab a can of
freeze spray, and a hair dryer. Use the hair dryer to warm up the entire
plugin. Do not use a Hot Air Gun - it gets too hot.

The freeze spray allows you to focus tighter on individual ICs or on small
areas of the PC board. More often than not the heat or the cold will trigger
an intermittent back to life.

Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 8:17 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] B92A no sweep

I forgot to mention that, initially last week the problem began with the
sweep working fine for the first 30 seconds and then quit. It might come
back for a few moments, even another 30 seconds on occasion before not
working at all: I assumed from a component warming up. This week however it
has not worked at all. I was able to use a thermal camera to look at heat on
the boards and found nothing unusual.Whatever it is, it isn't intermittent
any longer.
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Re: B92A no sweep

 

On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 04:01:49 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:

Thanks David,I have re-seated everything I could find, I am using an extender I just built from John Griessen.
That is going to make things a lot easier.

Cam switches are all in good shape and properly functioning.
I didn't know if there were any known issues with the 7b92a.
There are no special issues that I know of.

From what I can read, they seem pretty reliable.
They are pretty complex though. The problems I have seen are shorted
tantalums and mechanical problems with the cam switches.

I know there is some mention of the sweep generator 155-049-02, but I am not sure how to diagnose it's proper function or if it's even suspect.

Thanks for the thoughtsBrent
On 14 Feb 2017 04:16:50 +0000, you wrote:

I forgot to mention that, initially last week the problem began with the sweep working fine for the first 30 seconds and then quit. It might come back for a few moments, even another 30 seconds on occasion before not working at all: I assumed from a component warming up. This week however it has not worked at all. I was able to use a thermal camera to look at heat on the boards and found nothing unusual.Whatever it is, it isn't intermittent any longer.
The problem before the unblanking was lost might simply have been the
sweep signal getting lost between the output of the sweep generator
and the horizontal amplifier. The alternatives are much more complex.

I had an idea which might apply to before the sweep vanished; if the
sweep was being displayed as a dot which gets wider as the sweep speed
is increased, then the unblanking is working and probably the sweep
integrator is working. The odd part is that the sweep reset was
apparently also working even though the sweep was never reaching that
point and to me that points to a problem with the end of sweep
comparator continuously indicating the end of the sweep.

The good news, if it can be considered that, is that the sweep
generators are all discrete. The bad news is that the loss of
unblanking (and loss of triggering?) indicates a larger problem.

Before getting too involved going through the circuits, I would make
measurements of the supply voltages on the boards. Maybe one of the
power supply decoupling networks gradually failed.


Re: OT Ripple Leader LTC-905

tronix_cal
 

Ripple, or phase error? - see section B on pg 3 in the users manual. I
had the same problem, and solved it by reversing the curve tracer plug
in the wall outlet.


On 02/13/2017 03:01 PM, Jerry Massengale jmassen418@gmail.com
[TekScopes] wrote:

Hi,

My just recieved Leader LTC-905 Curve Tracer has a small ripple on the
display curves as displayed on my 2465A scope. The electrolytics in
the box
have good ESR. Suggestions?

jerry





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Re: X10 probe in series with X20 attenuator quest

Craig Sawyers <c.sawyers@...>
 

Re High-Voltage probes; be aware that the voltage rating is usually DC only and that there will be
a de-
rating curve for RF usage. Not sure you'll find one of those from a Chinese source.

Just as an example I'm just looking at a x100 probe from RS Components and their de-rating curve
shows a fall-off from 1200V Peak @ DC, flat to 1MHz then falling to 50% at 5MHz then to oblivion
at
100MHz. I guess for the 136KHz Amateur Band you'll be OK but for significantly higher frequencies
don't assume it will survive; you don't want that to breakdown with a KW of RF floating round!

Regards

Nigel G8AYM
That is absolutely true. As an example of the superb clarity with which Tek wrote manuals, this is
the P6009 100x probe manual, printed in 1964. Frequency derating curve, Xp/Rp as a function of
frequency, mechanical breakdown, schematics and parts lists. http://w140.com/tek_P6009.pdf

The cheapo Hantek 1x/10x probes don't have a downloadable manual
http://www.hantek.com/en/ProductDetail_15_73.html so no information on-line about derating etc.
However in fairness to them the CE mark you can see on the User's Guide conforms to the required
logo (which is very formally defined graphic https://ec.europa.eu/growth/single-market/ce-marking_en
), which is a positive point in their favour. And at least the P3100 100x probe manual has a
derating curve http://www.hantek.com/Manual/T3100_Probe_Manual.pdf . I'm grudgingly impressed for
Chinese probes.

Craig


Re: X10 probe in series with X20 attenuator quest

NigelP
 

Re High-Voltage probes; be aware that the voltage rating is usually DC only and that there will be a de-rating curve for RF usage. Not sure you'll find one of those from a Chinese source.

Just as an example I'm just looking at a x100 probe from RS Components and their de-rating curve shows a fall-off from 1200V Peak @ DC, flat to 1MHz then falling to 50% at 5MHz then to oblivion at 100MHz. I guess for the 136KHz Amateur Band you'll be OK but for significantly higher frequencies don't assume it will survive; you don't want that to breakdown with a KW of RF floating round!

Regards

Nigel G8AYM

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