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Re: New user with 465 needs help

david
 

If I connect both channels to generator with a tee & two 50 ohm cables, channel one is good channel two is bad. can I post a picture of the traces?


From: "Tom Gardner tggzzz@... [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...>
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] New user with 465 needs help

  For a 100MHz scope (e.g. a 465) and for these purposes you can get away with a
stand 50ohm terminator and a BNC T connector. Of course, a feed-through
terminator is nice to have for faster scopes.

May I suggest that you may benefit from understanding more of the distortions
that can occur with "suboptimal" probing, e.g. a standard *10 probe and 6"
ground lead will resonate at ~100MHz. Such resonances can be very visible when
probing ordinary digital signals.

On 28/09/16 00:38, David davide_us@... [TekScopes] wrote:

I am going to get a 50 ohm feed through terminator and check again
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ASM7 - TM7000?

bobh@joba.com
 

How did this work? Would it be part of a GPIB test system?

http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/File:Oregon-asm7.jpg

Bob.

Re: New user with 465 needs help

david
 

Well I'm back to where I started. Checking at 40kHz with 10x probe, square wave, the channels only match at .2V/div setting and below. At .5 V/div channel 1 shows 3 div., top of wave has a curve, is not flat. Channel 2 shows 2.4 div., and top and bottom of wave, is full 90 deg. segment of circle. All the settings above .5 V show channel 2 with the same distortion, and lower amplitude than channel 1. At 1V/div there is 1 div. diff. at 5V/div there is 2.5 div diff. At 1mHz to 4mHz Waveforms look the same, rounded off top and bottom, but channel 2 is 2 div. less amplitude than ch.1. Don't know how to proceed.


From: "David @DWH [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...>
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] New user with 465 needs help

  On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 23:38:20 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:

| Hi Dave, want to thank you guys for helping me. It appears my test setup is causing a lot of the distortion and all the attenuation on channel two.Too many connections and no 50 ohm Termination. Bob Albert sent me a link for a video, explained 50ohm termination. Hate to show my ignorance on the web for all to see but it helped.
Vertical deflection calibration is usually done without 50 ohm
terminations because the tolerance of the 50 ohm terminations at both
ends adds to the calibration error.

With a termination problem at higher frequencies, I was expecting a
non-square waveform instead of a lower amplitude but good fidelity
waveform.

It often pays to do a sanity check by duplicating the test setup as
closely as possible for each channel when things are going weird.

After all the checking, I sampled the signal from my generator with a 10x probe and all is well. No attenuation, Channel one and two match well, waveforms match my good scope also. I did find that the channel two connector on scope needed cleaned,is better now. I am going to get a 50 ohm feed through terminator and check again
Up to almost 100 MHz you can get away with using a BNC-T adapter and a
normal terminator in place of a usually more expensive feed-through
terminator.

Only paid $91.00 for this 465, Still has issues though, occasionally when I turn on scope it runs for a minute or two, then I smell something, the trace starts to fade out and moves off the top of the screen. Turn off scope for a minute, turn it back on, and it will run for hours. Had it good and warm and it keeps working.Has done
this 5 or 6 times now. Did it again today, do I have to wait till it fails to troubleshoot? Only other problem I have right now is the trigger mode switch needs cleaned, Auto & Normal modes work OK, Single sweep is not working. Don't need it because I have a good scope, may not mess with it.
That is a reasonable price for a likely easy to repair and good
performance analog oscilloscope. With a full rebuild, it should
operate trouble free for years.

That sounds like it will be difficult to track down until the problem
gets worse. The power supply is pretty resilient to damage so I would
not worry too much about catastrophic failure.

What you might try is removing the case and making a close visual
inspection (mark 1 eyeball) of the dipped epoxy solid tantalum
capacitors and other parts in general for signs of overheating like
discoloration, cracking, or surface eruptions. Usually they fail as a
complete short but sometimes they just drop to a low but non-zero
resistance and act as little heaters. A test using your mark 1 nose
might find the problem area.
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Re: New user with 465 needs help

 

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 23:38:20 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:

| Hi Dave, want to thank you guys for helping me. It appears my test setup is causing a lot of the distortion and all the attenuation on channel two.Too many connections and no 50 ohm Termination. Bob Albert sent me a link for a video, explained 50ohm termination. Hate to show my ignorance on the web for all to see but it helped.
Vertical deflection calibration is usually done without 50 ohm
terminations because the tolerance of the 50 ohm terminations at both
ends adds to the calibration error.

With a termination problem at higher frequencies, I was expecting a
non-square waveform instead of a lower amplitude but good fidelity
waveform.

It often pays to do a sanity check by duplicating the test setup as
closely as possible for each channel when things are going weird.

After all the checking, I sampled the signal from my generator with a 10x probe and all is well. No attenuation, Channel one and two match well, waveforms match my good scope also. I did find that the channel two connector on scope needed cleaned,is better now. I am going to get a 50 ohm feed through terminator and check again
Up to almost 100 MHz you can get away with using a BNC-T adapter and a
normal terminator in place of a usually more expensive feed-through
terminator.

Only paid $91.00 for this 465, Still has issues though, occasionally when I turn on scope it runs for a minute or two, then I smell something, the trace starts to fade out and moves off the top of the screen. Turn off scope for a minute, turn it back on, and it will run for hours. Had it good and warm and it keeps working.Has done
this 5 or 6 times now. Did it again today, do I have to wait till it fails to troubleshoot? Only other problem I have right now is the trigger mode switch needs cleaned, Auto & Normal modes work OK, Single sweep is not working. Don't need it because I have a good scope, may not mess with it.
That is a reasonable price for a likely easy to repair and good
performance analog oscilloscope. With a full rebuild, it should
operate trouble free for years.

That sounds like it will be difficult to track down until the problem
gets worse. The power supply is pretty resilient to damage so I would
not worry too much about catastrophic failure.

What you might try is removing the case and making a close visual
inspection (mark 1 eyeball) of the dipped epoxy solid tantalum
capacitors and other parts in general for signs of overheating like
discoloration, cracking, or surface eruptions. Usually they fail as a
complete short but sometimes they just drop to a low but non-zero
resistance and act as little heaters. A test using your mark 1 nose
might find the problem area.

Re: Hello from newcomer Fabio Trevisan - My first Tek Scope 464 + DM44

 

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 19:00:14 -0300, you wrote:

As I mentioned above, I decided to take my chances with the ESJA53-12
diodes I found on a loca store...
After I replaced the HV diodes, I noticed a great improvement... but
unfortunately it wasn't the definitive fix...
Now the HV doesn't seem to fail anymore if I run the scope without the
outer casing (cooler).
While this is good news in some sense, it made things more difficult to
troubleshoot.
When I install the outer casing, the time to fail increased from 20~30
minutes to about 1 hour.
I measured the leakage of the original cathode diode (CR1503) and under the
same voltage of about 3600V,
it's 25 times bigger than the 1.1nA that I measured in the new diodes,
but 28nA is still very small leakage and I think that it may just have
given the inverter a little bit more breath
so now it takes longer to fail.
I have not quite decided what to make of this but I have some ideas.
If the diodes were the problem, then I would have expected changing
them to have completely fixed it instead of making it a little better.

What I might try is looking for some other part which is getting hot
causing enough leakage to pull the high voltage supply voltages down.
If you do not have an infrared thermometer to scan with, a cotton swab
dipping in rubbing alcohol could be used to cool suspected parts after
the HV supply starts to collapse to see if it has any effect. Q1486
and Q1484 would be especially good targets for this test.

Freeze spray is what would normally be used for this but I would be a
little leery about using it around high voltages where condensation
might cause problems.

Re: New user with 465 needs help

Tom Gardner
 

For a 100MHz scope (e.g. a 465) and for these purposes you can get away with a stand 50ohm terminator and a BNC T connector. Of course, a feed-through terminator is nice to have for faster scopes.

May I suggest that you may benefit from understanding more of the distortions that can occur with "suboptimal" probing, e.g. a standard *10 probe and 6" ground lead will resonate at ~100MHz. Such resonances can be very visible when probing ordinary digital signals.

On 28/09/16 00:38, David davide_us@... [TekScopes] wrote:

I am going to get a 50 ohm feed through terminator and check again

Re: Hello from newcomer Fabio Trevisan - My first Tek Scope 464 + DM44

 

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 19:00:14 -0300, you wrote:

Hi Dave,
Thanks again for your feedback... I am suppressing my original post and
leave only your comments and my replies.
I hope this won't mangle the whole thing this time (Ì'm doing it from my
mail client).
Rgrds,
Fabio
I usually reply in line when posts get complicated enough.

I assembled and cleaned up a set of color schematics for the 464 which
Kurt has been nice enough to host at his site:

http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/464

2016-09-22 2:15 GMT-03:00 David @DWH [TekScopes] <
TekScopes@...>:

On 16 Sep 2016 17:07:00 -0700, you wrote:

...

My notes say it is 8.5 kilovolts. That is enough difference that I
would suspect failure of the high voltage multiplier is causing the
problem.
I concur with you that the 464 should be 8.5kV, But I have another theory!
I think the correct anode voltage is indeed in the 7kV ballpark for 2
reasons:
1. because this is exactly what is marked in the 464's HV's Cage Warning.
It says: CAUTION 7000V inside !!!
2. 7kV of PDA plus 1500V of cathode voltage makes up exactly for 8500V
acceleration !!!

Moreover, I`m considering that even the 7.22kV I`m measuring may be already
HIGH by 220V
and this can be exactly an indication of the inverter being driven harder
to compensate for some
deficiency on the cathode circuitry (either the winding or something else).
This rational is consistent with the other winding (600V) which also
measures around 620V
So, it really seems the problem is at the Cathode circuitry...
I will try to confirm that by measuring the HV doubler voltage or the 600V
while the scope
heats up towards to failure.
Ah, you are right. My 7000 notes break out PDA (post deflection
acceleration) and cathode acceleration voltages separately but my 465,
22xx, and 24xx notes do not. It is time to add a couple more columns.

The schematic and detailed theory section both say -1470 volts for the
cathode voltage and about 7kV for the PDA voltage. The theory section
says the cathode voltage is altered slightly between normal, variable
persistence, and fast storage modes. This will also affect the PDA
voltage.

The resistors could not cause the problem anyway.
Agree, but I replaced them anyway, by glass insulated (3kV class) metal
film resistors. (but no appreciable change in status)

On my suggestion of possible replacements of the HV diodes... you wrote...
The PDA voltage will decrease a little bit but the effect on
deflection calibration will be minor.
Agreed! So much that I decided to take the step and replace all 3 HV diodes
(the 2 at the HV doubler and at the cathode circuit).
When repairing these types of circuits, I prefer to replace all of the
high voltage resistors, capacitors, or diodes at the same time if they
are of a common type. It is just easier and safer this way.

Leakage through either of the diodes will cause problems. The
capacitors could also be causing the problem.
I have not ordered from them yet, but these guys look like a good
source for high voltage diodes and capacitors:
<http://hvstuff.com/>
About hvstuff.com... I have seen their website before, I think that I will
ultimately need to source from
them if I need to replace the capacitors, as the sources in Brazil for HV
capacitors are either
unreliable or only affordable for the industries (no hobby market).
We used to have Newark/Element14 in Brasil but they closed their operations
here.
You are not the first person in Brazil to mention having problems
finding parts.

As I mentioned above, I decided to take my chances with the ESJA53-12
diodes I found on a loca store...
After I replaced the HV diodes, I noticed a great improvement... but
unfortunately it wasn't the definitive fix...
Now the HV doesn't seem to fail anymore if I run the scope without the
outer casing (cooler).
While this is good news in some sense, it made things more difficult to
troubleshoot.
When I install the outer casing, the time to fail increased from 20~30
minutes to about 1 hour.
So it helped but did not fixed the problem.

I measured the leakage of the original cathode diode (CR1503) and under the
same voltage of about 3600V,
it's 25 times bigger than the 1.1nA that I measured in the new diodes,
but 28nA is still very small leakage and I think that it may just have
given the inverter a little bit more breath
so now it takes longer to fail.
But what is the leakage at higher operating temperature? Whatever
part is causing the problem is only doing so after it warms up.

I would change the high voltage capacitors before messing with the
transformer. Make sure the board around the high voltage multiplier
is clean when you finish working on it.
That's my next step... It will be difficult to find 6.8nF x 5kV around
here...
But at least for testing, I may resort to an association (parallel)
It's not HV friendly to have the uninsulated connections that would be
required
but there's plenty of space where the original capacitors are (they're
huge!)
Usually it is the voltage multiplier capacitors which have problems
and their value is not critical. The value for the capacitors which
filter the cathode supply affect the regulator's frequency
compensation which is partially controlled by the network built around
R1473; I think you can get away with increasing them to 10nF but I am
not positive about this.

Re: New user with 465 needs help

david
 

| Hi Dave, want to thank you guys for helping me. It appears my test setup is causing a lot of the distortion and all the attenuation on channel two.Too many connections and no 50 ohm Termination. Bob Albert sent me a link for a video, explained 50ohm termination. Hate to show my ignorance on the web for all to see but it helped. After all the checking, I sampled the signal from my generator with a 10x probe and all is well. No attenuation, Channel one and two match well, waveforms match my good scope also. I did find that the channel two connector on scope needed cleaned,is better now. I am going to get a 50 ohm feed through terminator and check again Only paid $91.00 for this 465, Still has issues though, occasionally when I turn on scope it runs for a minute or two, then I smell something, the trace starts to fade out and moves off the top of the screen. Turn off scope for a minute, turn it back on, and it will run for hours. Had it good and warm and it keeps working.Has done this 5 or 6 times now. Did it again today, do I have to wait till it fails to troubleshoot? Only other problem I have right now is the trigger mode switch needs cleaned, Auto & Normal modes work OK, Single sweep is not working. Don't need it because I have a good scope, may not mess with it. From: "David @DWH [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...>
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] New user with 465 needs help

Your test setup is not ideal but I doubt it is causing a problem.

Just to be clear, do the 5mV/div, 10mV/div, and 20mV/div ranges show
the change in amplitude at 4 MHz?

What the 5mV/div, 10mV/div, and 20mV/div ranges have in common is that
no high impedance attenuators are used before the input amplifier. The
x10 and x100 attenuator modules plug in so you might try reseating
them.

There is another easy test which you should do. Set the volts/div to
5mV/div. Short the BNC input; a 50 ohm terminator or x1 probe with
the ground clip connected to the tip will work as a short. Does the
trace shift between AC and DC coupling? This checks the leakage
current into the JFET.

The puzzling part of your description of the problem is that at 4 MHz
the square wave still looks square. If it showed tilt, high frequency
roll-off, or low frequency roll-off, then that would make more sense.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 12:20:48 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:

I ran another test and both channels match in 5mV/div range, 10mV/div range, and 20mV/div range. All the settings 50mV/div and above show errors. Could this be my test setup? My Tek 1052B digital shows no problems.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 01:31:59 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:

Hi Dave, thanks for the welcome, Invert switch works correctly,I am using a square wave for testing. I was connected to signal generator with a Tee, one three foot 50 ohm cable with BNC connectors on both ends to scope and one from Tee to counter. Then I had a Tee on the counter with another three foot 50 ohm BNC cable to channel two. Noticed channel two trace was fuzzy, switched cables, channel one was fuzzy, What is the correct way to connect generator to scope?I eliminated the counter hookup, connected one three foot cable to generator, other end to a tee and then two from tee to channel one and two. Ran my test at 5mV/div and all wave forms are identical, overlay one and two and they match perfectly. No difference in results between AC and DC coupling. Low frequency Square waves look "square". The voltage on emitter of Q262, may be from my fluorescent lights, When lights are on, and trigger source is set to channel 2, with Trigger mode set to Normal, they trigger a trace.
Electronic ballasts! All other V/div ranges show difference between channels, Channel one shows no change in amplitude up to 4Mhz, Channel two at 4 Mhz is reduced 30% vertical, frequency of signals is good in all ranges, just the amplitude is bad.

|

Only paid $91.00 for this 465, Still has issues though, occasionally when I turn on scope it runs for a minute or two, then I smell something, the trace starts to fade out and moves off the top of the screen. Turn off scope for a minute, turn it back on, and it will run for hours. Had it good and warm and it keeps working.Has done this 5 or 6 times now. Did it today, do I have to wait till it fails to troubleshoot? I am going to get a 50 ohm feed through terminator and check again.


From: "David @DWH [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...>
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] New user with 465 needs help

  Your test setup is not ideal but I doubt it is causing a problem.

Just to be clear, do the 5mV/div, 10mV/div, and 20mV/div ranges show
the change in amplitude at 4 MHz?

What the 5mV/div, 10mV/div, and 20mV/div ranges have in common is that
no high impedance attenuators are used before the input amplifier. The
x10 and x100 attenuator modules plug in so you might try reseating
them.

There is another easy test which you should do. Set the volts/div to
5mV/div. Short the BNC input; a 50 ohm terminator or x1 probe with
the ground clip connected to the tip will work as a short. Does the
trace shift between AC and DC coupling? This checks the leakage
current into the JFET.

The puzzling part of your description of the problem is that at 4 MHz
the square wave still looks square. If it showed tilt, high frequency
roll-off, or low frequency roll-off, then that would make more sense.

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 12:20:48 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:

I ran another test and both channels match in 5mV/div range, 10mV/div range, and 20mV/div range. All the settings 50mV/div and above show errors. Could this be my test setup? My Tek 1052B digital shows no problems.
On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 01:31:59 +0000 (UTC), you wrote:

Hi Dave, thanks for the welcome, Invert switch works correctly,I am using a square wave for testing. I was connected to signal generator with a Tee, one three foot 50 ohm cable with BNC connectors on both ends to scope and one from Tee to counter. Then I had a Tee on the counter with another three foot 50 ohm BNC cable to channel two. Noticed channel two trace was fuzzy, switched cables, channel one was fuzzy, What is the correct way to connect generator to scope?I eliminated the counter hookup, connected one three foot cable to generator, other end to a tee and then two from tee to channel one and two. Ran my test at 5mV/div and all wave forms are identical, overlay one and two and they match perfectly. No difference in results between AC and DC coupling. Low frequency Square waves look "square". The voltage on emitter of Q262, may be from my fluorescent lights, When lights are on, and trigger source is set to channel 2, with Trigger mode set to Normal, they trigger a trace.
Electronic ballasts! All other V/div ranges show difference between channels, Channel one shows no change in amplitude up to 4Mhz, Channel two at 4 Mhz is reduced 30% vertical, frequency of signals is good in all ranges, just the amplitude is bad.
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Re: TM500 Series Plugins

Vince Vielhaber
 

Yep, that's the one I sent yesterday from my regular email. I complained to yahoo about it, alotta good that's gonna do. This is happening on multiple yahoo lists too. The mail is not stuck at yahoo, yahoo is reporting "resources are not available" then the mail sits in my outgoing mail queue.

Vince.

Re: TM500 Series Plugins

 

HI Vince,
This just arrived. I believe it is the second time you sent it. It appears you used a different email. I just wanted you to know it arrived a full day later than the first one.
Dennis Tillman W7PF

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...]
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 5:52 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] TM500 Series Plugins


What plugins for other tek instruments are physically compatible with the TM500 series mainframes? I don't care about the insides and edge connector, I'm going to gut it anyway.

Thanks!
Vince.
--
Michigan VHF Corp. http://www.nobucks.net/ http://www.CDupe.com/


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Re: Hello from newcomer Fabio Trevisan - My first Tek Scope 464 + DM44

Fabio Trevisan
 

Hi Dave,
Thanks again for your feedback... I am suppressing my original post and
leave only your comments and my replies.
I hope this won't mangle the whole thing this time (Ì'm doing it from my
mail client).
Rgrds,
Fabio

2016-09-22 2:15 GMT-03:00 David @DWH [TekScopes] <
TekScopes@...>:

On 16 Sep 2016 17:07:00 -0700, you wrote:
Parsing a problem so it can be described to someone else is a powerful
technique.
Thanks for having the patience to go through it.

This supply is unregulated so the variation from nominal is expected.
A change from 1Vpp to 2Vpp indicates that the current draw is
doubling.
Since our last exchange, I did further progress in measurements, as well as
in troubleshooting resources..
I measured the current drawn by the inverter (while it's still operating
normally), and it's around 200mA.
I didn't have chances to measure it after HV drops, after the inverter runs
hot.

Yep, doubling the capacitance will halve the ripple. The rule of
thumb for the 120 Hz output from a full wave 60 Hz rectifier is that
8200uF will yield 1 Vpp of ripple at 1 amp.
From your rule of thumb, and from my previous conclusion that C1487 is
still at its nominal value,
the current being drawn from the +15V UNREG must be around 0.67A (making up
for a 1Vpp ripple on 5500uF).
Since the Inverter alone, draws just 0.2A, (while in normal operation) and
since the ripple doubles to 2Vpp when the inverter is in "fault"...
the net current out of the +15V UNREG is doubling to ~ 2 x 0.67A = 1.33A.
This means that the current drawn by the inverter alone is raising from
0.2A to 0.87A (almost 4.5 times).

My notes say it is 8.5 kilovolts. That is enough difference that I
would suspect failure of the high voltage multiplier is causing the
problem.
I concur with you that the 464 should be 8.5kV, But I have another theory!
I think the correct anode voltage is indeed in the 7kV ballpark for 2
reasons:
1. because this is exactly what is marked in the 464's HV's Cage Warning.
It says: CAUTION 7000V inside !!!
2. 7kV of PDA plus 1500V of cathode voltage makes up exactly for 8500V
acceleration !!!

Moreover, I`m considering that even the 7.22kV I`m measuring may be already
HIGH by 220V
and this can be exactly an indication of the inverter being driven harder
to compensate for some
deficiency on the cathode circuitry (either the winding or something else).
This rational is consistent with the other winding (600V) which also
measures around 620V
So, it really seems the problem is at the Cathode circuitry...
I will try to confirm that by measuring the HV doubler voltage or the 600V
while the scope
heats up towards to failure.

The resistors could not cause the problem anyway.
Agree, but I replaced them anyway, by glass insulated (3kV class) metal
film resistors. (but no appreciable change in status)

On my suggestion of possible replacements of the HV diodes... you wrote...
The PDA voltage will decrease a little bit but the effect on
deflection calibration will be minor.
Agreed! So much that I decided to take the step and replace all 3 HV diodes
(the 2 at the HV doubler and at the cathode circuit).

Leakage through either of the diodes will cause problems. The
capacitors could also be causing the problem.
I have not ordered from them yet, but these guys look like a good
source for high voltage diodes and capacitors:
<http://hvstuff.com/>
About hvstuff.com... I have seen their website before, I think that I will
ultimately need to source from
them if I need to replace the capacitors, as the sources in Brazil for HV
capacitors are either
unreliable or only affordable for the industries (no hobby market).
We used to have Newark/Element14 in Brasil but they closed their operations
here.

As I mentioned above, I decided to take my chances with the ESJA53-12
diodes I found on a loca store...
After I replaced the HV diodes, I noticed a great improvement... but
unfortunately it wasn't the definitive fix...
Now the HV doesn't seem to fail anymore if I run the scope without the
outer casing (cooler).
While this is good news in some sense, it made things more difficult to
troubleshoot.
When I install the outer casing, the time to fail increased from 20~30
minutes to about 1 hour.
I measured the leakage of the original cathode diode (CR1503) and under the
same voltage of about 3600V,
it's 25 times bigger than the 1.1nA that I measured in the new diodes,
but 28nA is still very small leakage and I think that it may just have
given the inverter a little bit more breath
so now it takes longer to fail.

I would change the high voltage capacitors before messing with the
transformer. Make sure the board around the high voltage multiplier
is clean when you finish working on it.
That's my next step... It will be difficult to find 6.8nF x 5kV around
here...
But at least for testing, I may resort to an association (parallel)
It's not HV friendly to have the uninsulated connections that would be
required
but there's plenty of space where the original capacitors are (they're
huge!)

The oscilloscope and CRT will still work with the PDA missing although
deflection will be lower and brightness and sharpness will be
affected. You could temporarily remove C1582 to verify if the high
voltage multiplier is the problem.
That tip is one that I wouldn't expect!
It would never occurred to me to remove the PDA altogether.
I didn't think it would ever work.
For the reasons I stated before, I don't think my problem in on the HV
or the HV doubler, but I will keep this advice if I need to troubleshoot
this area further.
For now, I will focus on the Cathode Supply circuitry and see if I get to
any conclusion.

Then I would take a close look at the cathode supply rectifiers and
capacitors around CR1503. And then the +600 volt bias supply built
around CR1512.
I've already checked the +600V supply and it seems alright.
This one is simpler to troubleshoot as the components are not that hard to
source.

Thanks again...
I will answer shortly the other message you answered on another topic...
The "double-peak"... That's another story.

Rgrds,

Fabio




Re: TM500 Series Plugins

 

5100 series scope plug-ins will fit in a TM500 mainframe if you remove the key from the plug-in connector.Or, you could file another key slot in the edge connector.
The plugin will not be functional but it will fit.
 HankC, Boston WA1HOS

Re: It appears your email has been hacked

Brad Salai <bsalai@...>
 

I don't believe there is any context, it is only funny if you are stoned, but then everything is. Or so I'm told.

Brad Salai
(585) 708-9235
@bsalai

On Sep 27, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Stefan Trethan stefan_trethan@... [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:

I guess you have to know the context, I listened to the "Dave's not
here" thing on youtube and failed to see any humor in it.

ST

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Dave Daniel kc0wjn@...
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:
No, I am not. Every once in a while I go back and listen to Cheech and
Chong or The Firesign Theatre or early George Carlin or Monty Python or
Bill Cosby (who is now, of course, controversial) and I still laugh.

With respect to The Firesign Theatre, I STILL discover things that I
have missed in the past.

DaveD


On 9/26/2016 5:34 PM, Brad Salai @bsalai [TekScopes] wrote:

So are you saying that you never get tired of it? (I hope)

Brad Salai
(585) 708-9235
@bsalai

On Sep 26, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Dave Daniel kc0wjn@...
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtDAK7Umk7A

Haven't listened to that in a very long time, but if you are not a Dave
from the 60s and 70s, you will not appreciate the number of times that
we (Daves) have heard "Dave's not here" in response to a question.

DaveD

On 9/26/2016 12:09 PM, Dave Seiter d.seiter@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Grin!

Dave's not here.

60's reference.

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Yahoo Groups Links


Re: TM500 Series Plugins

Bill (Doc) Courtright
 

Vince,
I have several 500 and 5000 parts units and a couple other compatible PI's if you would be interested for a reasonable cost contact me via my e-mail off group. As far as I know the only real difference between the 500 and 5K PI's might be the ID slot placement on the edge connector. One would not want to confuse them unless smoke is wanted.
Bill, KB3DKS

-----Original Message-----

Subject: RE: [TekScopes] TM500 Series Plugins

I've seen 7000 plugins $10 and under, but I did find a couple of inexpensive 5100 plugins. They're not as plentiful but as long as they fit it works for me.

Once again, Thanks!!
Vince.

TDS220 firmware file needed

 

I need a bin or hex firmware file for a TDS220. Would like V1.17 or later version that can be programmed to a 27C040 eprom.

Re: It appears your email has been hacked

stefan_trethan
 

I guess you have to know the context, I listened to the "Dave's not
here" thing on youtube and failed to see any humor in it.

ST


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Dave Daniel kc0wjn@...
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:
No, I am not. Every once in a while I go back and listen to Cheech and
Chong or The Firesign Theatre or early George Carlin or Monty Python or
Bill Cosby (who is now, of course, controversial) and I still laugh.

With respect to The Firesign Theatre, I STILL discover things that I
have missed in the past.

DaveD


On 9/26/2016 5:34 PM, Brad Salai @bsalai [TekScopes] wrote:

So are you saying that you never get tired of it? (I hope)

Brad Salai
(585) 708-9235
@bsalai

On Sep 26, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Dave Daniel kc0wjn@...
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtDAK7Umk7A

Haven't listened to that in a very long time, but if you are not a Dave
from the 60s and 70s, you will not appreciate the number of times that
we (Daves) have heard "Dave's not here" in response to a question.

DaveD

On 9/26/2016 12:09 PM, Dave Seiter d.seiter@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Grin!

Dave's not here.

60's reference.

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Yahoo Groups Links


Re: It appears your email has been hacked

Dave Daniel
 

Oh, and Bob Newhart's albums as well.

On 9/26/2016 5:34 PM, Brad Salai @bsalai [TekScopes] wrote:

So are you saying that you never get tired of it? (I hope)

Brad Salai
(585) 708-9235
@bsalai

On Sep 26, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Dave Daniel kc0wjn@...
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtDAK7Umk7A

Haven't listened to that in a very long time, but if you are not a Dave
from the 60s and 70s, you will not appreciate the number of times that
we (Daves) have heard "Dave's not here" in response to a question.

DaveD

On 9/26/2016 12:09 PM, Dave Seiter d.seiter@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Grin!

Dave's not here.

60's reference.

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Re: It appears your email has been hacked

Dave Daniel
 

No, I am not. Every once in a while I go back and listen to Cheech and
Chong or The Firesign Theatre or early George Carlin or Monty Python or
Bill Cosby (who is now, of course, controversial) and I still laugh.

With respect to The Firesign Theatre, I STILL discover things that I
have missed in the past.

DaveD

On 9/26/2016 5:34 PM, Brad Salai @bsalai [TekScopes] wrote:

So are you saying that you never get tired of it? (I hope)

Brad Salai
(585) 708-9235
@bsalai

On Sep 26, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Dave Daniel kc0wjn@...
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtDAK7Umk7A

Haven't listened to that in a very long time, but if you are not a Dave
from the 60s and 70s, you will not appreciate the number of times that
we (Daves) have heard "Dave's not here" in response to a question.

DaveD

On 9/26/2016 12:09 PM, Dave Seiter d.seiter@... [TekScopes] wrote:

Grin!

Dave's not here.

60's reference.

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Re: It appears your email has been hacked

Dave Voorhis
 

I think we all need to change our names to Chris and spend the afternoon updating our passwords.

On 27 Sep 2016, at 08:09, machine guy @Mac [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...> wrote:

There is no evidence it is your computer that is hacked. In fact its not likely. These spam spewers usually fake the "send from" address so they don't give away the location of the computer they use. Its probably someone who received a message from Tekscopes group that included your email addy. But that is several hundred people. My advice is to run an antivirus scan, and a scan by Malwarebytes anti-malware program (Google Malwarebytes.com <http://malwarebytes.com/>). If both of those come back clean its not likely coming from your computer. If it is someone else it will stop soon and they will move on a fake a different email sender.

From: "Chris Elmquist chrise@... <mailto:chrise@...> [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes@...>>
To: TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes@...>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] It appears your email has been hacked

but then there's me... what should I do? 😉

Chris

On September 26, 2016 9:42:30 AM CDT, "Dave Voorhis voorhis@... <mailto:voorhis@...> [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes@...>> wrote:
On 26 Sep 2016, at 15:31, Chris Pierce piercec99@... <mailto:piercec99@...> [TekScopes]
<TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes@...>> wrote:


I have changed all my passwords and followed yahoo's things to do,
not sure what else I can do
Don’t do anything. You didn’t need to change all your passwords, but
obviously it doesn’t hurt to do so. The email that said, “Chris, It
appears your email has been hacked” meant another Chris, a Chris that
also happens to be on this mailing list. That Chris is not you.

The confusion is a result of there being more than one Chris here. As
a Dave, I’m used to people referring to Dave, but it’s almost never me
because there are so many Daves. There are fewer people named Chris,
so I can imagine that confusion might occur when someone effectively
yells “Chris!” in a virtual room.
Etc.



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Re: It appears your email has been hacked

 

There is no evidence it is your computer that is hacked.  In fact its not likely.  These spam spewers usually fake the "send from" address so they don't give away the location of the computer they use.  Its probably someone who received a message from Tekscopes group that included your email addy.  But that is several hundred people.  My advice is to run an antivirus scan, and a scan by Malwarebytes anti-malware program (Google Malwarebytes.com).  If both of those come back clean its not likely coming from your computer.  If it is someone else it will stop soon and they will move on a fake a different email sender.

From: "Chris Elmquist chrise@... [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...>
To: TekScopes@...
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] It appears your email has been hacked

  but then there's me... what should I do? 😉

Chris

On September 26, 2016 9:42:30 AM CDT, "Dave Voorhis voorhis@... [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...> wrote:
On 26 Sep 2016, at 15:31, Chris Pierce piercec99@... [TekScopes]
<TekScopes@...> wrote:


I have changed all my passwords and followed yahoo's things to do,
not sure what else I can do
Don’t do anything. You didn’t need to change all your passwords, but
obviously it doesn’t hurt to do so. The email that said, “Chris, It
appears your email has been hacked” meant another Chris, a Chris that
also happens to be on this mailing list. That Chris is not you.

The confusion is a result of there being more than one Chris here. As
a Dave, I’m used to people referring to Dave, but it’s almost never me
because there are so many Daves. There are fewer people named Chris,
so I can imagine that confusion might occur when someone effectively
yells “Chris!” in a virtual room.


On Monday, September 26, 2016 9:44 AM, "Dave Voorhis
voorhis@... <mailto:voorhis@...> [TekScopes]"
<TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes@...>> wrote:


On 26 Sep 2016, at 14:42, Chris Pierce piercec99@...
<mailto:piercec99@...> [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...>> wrote:

ok what would you want me to do
Nothing. You’re on an email mailing list about Tektronix
oscilloscopes. Any email sent to the mailing list goes to everyone on
the mailing list. You’ve seen emails sent to the mailing list, that
have gone to everyone on the mailing list, that are intended for
another Chris. He needs to do something about it; you don’t.


On Monday, September 26, 2016 9:37 AM, "Dave Voorhis
voorhis@... <mailto:voorhis@...> <mailto:voorhis@...
<mailto:voorhis@...>> [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...><mailto:TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...>>> wrote:


On 26 Sep 2016, at 14:36, Chris Pierce piercec99@...
<mailto:piercec99@...> <mailto:piercec99@...
<mailto:piercec99@...>> [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...><mailto:TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...>>> wrote:


Ok what does something coming from some other persons email have
to do with me?
Nothing. You’ve confused yourself with another Chris.


On Monday, September 26, 2016 9:25 AM, "Stefan Trethan
stefan_trethan@... <mailto:stefan_trethan@...>
<mailto:stefan_trethan@... <mailto:stefan_trethan@...>>
<mailto:stefan_trethan@...
<mailto:stefan_trethan@...><mailto:stefan_trethan@...
<mailto:stefan_trethan@...>>> [TekScopes]"
<TekScopes@... <mailto:TekScopes@...>
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<mailto:TekScopes@...>><mailto:TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...><mailto:TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...>>>> wrote:


The other Chris, Chris Johnson.

ST

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chris Pierce piercec99@...
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<mailto:piercec99@...>> <mailto:piercec99@...
<mailto:piercec99@...><mailto:piercec99@...
<mailto:piercec99@...>>>
[TekScopes] <TekScopes@...
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<mailto:TekScopes@...>> <mailto:TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...><mailto:TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...>>>> wrote:
what do you mean my email has been hacked I don't see where I
have posted anything, YOU SHOW ME !!!

On Sunday, September 25, 2016 7:53 PM, "'Dennis Tillman'
@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF <mailto:@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF>
<mailto:@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF <mailto:@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF>>
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<mailto:@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF><mailto:@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF
<mailto:@Dennis_Tillman_W7pF>>> [TekScopes]" <TekScopes@...
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<mailto:TekScopes@...>><mailto:TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...><mailto:TekScopes@...
<mailto:TekScopes@...>>>> wrote:


Chris,
It appears your email has been hacked. I will turn off your
posting
privileges if I don't hear from you about how you plan to stop
spam from
reaching the TekScopes forum
Dennis Tillman W7PF

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Subject: [TekScopes] my favourite book

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