Re: copyrights & CDROMs

Miroslav Pokorni <mpokorni@...>


That is pretty sound advice, yes a mass mailing might really cause an undue
concern. I guess I got a bit carried away. I will site my youth as a cause,
I am only 56 years old.

The whole discussion did get overheated because we all mixed strict rule of
law, what is right (ethics) and what is practical. Your suggestion is on the
side of practical with some view of ethics, and that is probably best course
to take.


Miroslav Pokorni

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil (VA3UX) []
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: [TekScopes] Re: copyrights & CDROMs

I'd be very careful about starting a campaign with Tek about
the vintage
manual situation. I suggest we "let sleeping dogs lie".
We've already been
given a preview of the answer such a request is likely to
bring : one
retired employee has never received permission and another
retired employee
was purportedly told " don't ask questions that you won't
like the answers
to". That last statement - if it's true an accurate - has
the answer we're
all looking for anyway but it's cleverly cloaked.

A petition is likely to attract the kind of attention that
will have the
effect opposite to the intended goal. In today's high tech
organizations, I can easily conceive a Vice President of
Relations and Vintage Affairs looking at this and thinking,
" my gawd !
There's 200 names on this letter. This must just be the tip
of the iceburg.
There must really be thousands of potential customers for
new products that
are being held captive by our older products. We'll stop
this menace right
now. We'll issue a letter informing that we intend to
prosecute copyright
infringement to full extent of the law, no matter how old
product. We'll force them out of the 60's and 70's and into
the year
2001". And then where would we be ? Worse-off than we are
right now where
little if any attention is being paid to the miniscule
market for copied
old manuals.

My advice : drop the issue and carry on as we have been.


At 12:13 PM 9/17/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>The letters that Stan mentioned and I understand that he
meant mass mailing,
>would be very effective. If letters came from people who
still work and on
>company letterhead, Tektronix might get an idea how their
scheming is
>received by potential customers. I do not think that Stan
and Dean should be
>asked to sign a 'collective letter'; they still know lot of
people at
>Tektronix and no strain should be put on those
relationships. Besides, in
>Tektronix's mind our group, as collectors, is of no
consequence, they are
>looking at people who would buy new equipment.
>Miroslav Pokorni
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 10:03
> To:
> Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Re:
copyrights & CDROMs
> >PS . . . . . I have to confess that I
have made a copy of a
>page or two for
> >some desparate Tek equipment owners in
the past myself.
>One guy now offers a
> >CD ROM with 46 complete manuals on it,
which I consider
>orders of magnitude
> >worse than anything like this that I have
seen in the past.
> The manuals on that CDROM are *not* OEM
Tek or HP manuals.
>They are US
> Army manuals that are publically available
on an Army web
>site. I'm
> looking at one now (TM 11-6625-2759-14,
aka Tek 7L5 service
>manual) and it
> says "This manual contains copywrite [sic]
>reproduced by
> permission of the Tektronix Company." If
Tektronix objects
>to reproduction
> of this manual, it's really up to them to
complain to the
>Army. The guy
> selling the CDROM is not at fault.
> For what it's worth, my opinion on the
copyright issue is
>that the test
> equipment companies are happy with the
current ambiguous
>situation and
> don't have any reason to clarify it. They
also don't have
>an incentive
> to sue people for copyright violation
since the legal
>expenses would far
> exceed any possible damages they could
collect. Therefore,
>I predict the
> current situation will continue.
> In support of this, I have noticed that
even the largest
>test equipment
> dealers often supply photocopied manuals
with the used
>equipment they sell.
> Two examples are Electro Rent and Tucker
(Tucker also sells
> service manuals). This doesn't really
prove anything, but
>since they are
> franchised dealers for new equipment from
HP and Tek, it
>supports the idea
> that those companies must not be bothered
too much by the
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