Re: Audiophile "spam"

Stan & Patricia Griffiths <w7ni@...>

Hi Steve,

You are right, of course, we should not waste our time by poking fun at
another group here on the TekScopes reflector. Also, you are right that I
am somewhat old (64) and deaf and can't really appreciate good sound when it
is sent my direction. I certainly agree that there are nuances in sound
that I will never appreciate but others will. If my old black beauty caps
helps them appreciate audio, then I am glad to provide them. For most scope
guys, these caps a junk, but to the audiophiles I sold them to, they are
things of beauty and, for all I know, they do exactly what the buyers want
them to do. For me, it turns some garbage into a little cash I can use to
fix another scope and, if the buyer is happy, then I am happy. One of the
points I wanted to make was that what sometimes appears to be junk to one,
is treasure to another and black beauty caps are good examples. Instead of
just tossing them in the landfill, I suggest we recover some money from them
and make an audiophile or two happy at the same time. No insult intended .
. .

When an audiophile scraps a perfectly good 545A to recover the 6DJ8's and
12AX7's for his audio projects, that only tells me that he values the pieces
more than the whole and its HIS 545A, so he is entitled to do what he wants
with it. I have a friend who brings me de-tubed scopes all the time that I
either retube with unpopular brands of tubes or scrap for other valuable
parts. He WAS taking them to the landfill . . .


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hogan" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 9:53 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] Audiophile "spam"

The only thing more irritating to read on this board than the occasional
porno-spammer is the group of participants that find it necessary to spend
whole threads making jokes about audiophiles. An informative discussion re:
black beauty caps and the comment that Stan sold them to some audiophile
starts the whole yuk yuk about oxygen free copper yuk yuk etc. etc. I feel
like I'm on a board with a bunch of old retired deaf guys debating if there
there really is such a thing as sound.

The post re: the whining capacitors in an industrial application is an
example that there are often effects that can be heard by those who have a
practiced ear, but the scientific explanation for what is being heard is
lagging far behind. To discount out of hand that the differences being
heard are imagined or not there is really just as unscientific as many of
the marketing types who have devised ways of parting music lovers and their
It would be a lot more fun in this group if we were to stick to scopes and
other stuff which the majority in this group have real knowledge to share.

I will now duck and cover.

Steve Hogan

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