Re: I give up.


Yeah no, asking me if I can deny "major data thefts" happen "almost daily"
and then transferring that to whether you'll lose money on PayPal is just
high level crackpottery, and if you think this is a valid way of looking at
the world, then you should have a long hard look in the mirror. It doesn't
matter how long you've been "doing computers", obviously you're not in any
way capable of talking about computer security. Some sort of nebulous
"potential problems" with nebulous "companies involved in e-commerce" are
just paranoid thoughts, you can't even answer such a question with a yes or
no, you've constructed it to give yourself worry.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 6:16 PM - <> wrote:

Maybe you haven't been reading the messages but Dennis has already been
paid and that's all taken care of. But I have to admit that I hadn't
considered a wire transfer INTO PayPal. I've never heard of that being done
and there's nothing about it on their website and I don't even know if it's
possible. I don't think that it is but perhaps.

I was talking about the potential problems of PayPal and other
companies involved in E-commerce. And you can't deny that those are real.
All you have to do is to read any newspaper or watch any TV news to know
that major data thefts are happening almost daily. And your 20 years is
nothing, that was when Windows 98 was still new. I beta tested Windows
1.1! I started programming in 1969 in APL on an IBM 1130 and had been
tinkering with computer hardware for two years before that. I was the
person that installed *the* first computers for the Gallup poll in New
Jersey (another IBM 1130 with added core memory) , Virginia Military
Institute and Washington and Lee university and a host of others back in
the mid-1970s.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 9:10 AM cheater cheater <>

Paying with paypal from credit card is simpler, but doesn't work in this
case, so you're supposed to do the next simplest thing, which is top up
wire transfer and then pay from balance. All this hacked companies
is seriously too much, and I say that as a cyber security expert who has
been professionally in IT for 20 years. I've seen and responded to
countless hacks and I know good security awareness is necessary. You're
talking about your bank and about paypal. If either of them get hacked
you have much larger problems than whether or not you have the
of being a git towards Dennis. Have it from the horse's mouth: you're not
being aware of potential problems, you're being unreasonably paranoid,
you're cargo-culting security obviously without understanding any of it.
Stop it and just pay Dennis without dragging your feet.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 3:58 AM - <> wrote:

It's much simpler to just pay via PP and have them charge my credit
then there's never a balance in my PayPal account and if I haven't
linked a
bank account to your PP account then they can't debit it either. A
card also has much better protection and you also have legal recourse
things go wrong. These days, it isn't just PayPal that you have to
about, plenty of companies have been hacked and their client's data
The fewer companies that are linked and the fewer that have any of your
information including information about your other accounts, the safer

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 12:05 PM cheater cheater <

Right, that's why you top it up with the amount you want to pay, and
pay. You don't carry a balance - you top up, then pay immediately.
you're some sort of criminal with an international warrant on your
money will not disappear from your account within one day. There's a
certain amount of paranoia that's healthy with online services, but
are limits to reasonable application of that as well.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 1:53 AM - <> wrote:

George, It's already taken care of.

Cheater, FWIW I don't know anyone that carries a balance in their
account. Not only does PP not pay interest, but PP has been known
money back out of their customer's accounts without warning so
that I know takes their money out of PP as soon as possible. Yes. I
that PP can also yank money out of their customer's bank accounts
Most people keep only a minimum amount in their linked accounts for
reason and keep their main bank account in a different bank

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 9:11 AM George Onufer <>

Mr. RigdonI am so sorry to hear of the tribulations you have
trying to buy these books.Dennis took on this task (beyond the
resposibility he already had as moderator) out of his respect and
duty to the group. He established ground rules to make it
himself. If, for whatever reason, these don't work for you, then
means he should make a special exception in your case.GeorgeSent
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