Re: Scope grounding and generators
Robert:
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I don't see any reason why you can't check the generator output by connecting it to a scope (to monitor the waveform and/or voltage), subject to the following (in the US, at least). I assume that your generator is producing single phase power, either 120 VAC single phase or 120/240 VAC single phase: 1. To begin with, there's no reason why you can't connect the generator's ground to your house ground. But do not make any other connections from generator wiring to house wiring. The ground (the National Electrical Code "grounding conductor") will generally be identified as a bare, or green insulated, or green with yellow stripe insulated, conductor. Generator (and house) current carrying conductors will be either neutral conductors (National Electrical Code "grounded conductor"), which are generally colored white or grey, or phase conductors (colored differently from the assigned colors for grounded and grounding conductors.) 2. Power up the scope from "house" power, using a probe with a sufficient voltage rating (many 10x probes are rated to 600 V). You will need to make a grounding connection from the scope ground (scope chassis) to the generator ground; this can be either an individual "stand alone" conductor, or the shield/braid of the scope probe. I recommend a separate conductor rather than the scope probe shield; an alligator clip jumper cable should be sufficient. (Note: beware of cheap alligator clip jumper cables with crimped connections at the alligator clips; the connections should be soldered.) The US standard NEMA 5-15R (15 amp) and 5-20R (20 amp) 3-terminal outlets have the grounding terminal sized to accept a 3/16" diameter metal rod; I've successfully used pieces of round copper or brass rod to provide a good grounding stud, and then used alligator clip leads to extend the ground connection. 3. Provided that you've got the ground jumper in place, you should be able to probe the generator's output connector individual pins with the scope probe's tip. And you won't need to connect the scope probe's grounding clip to the generator's frame (as this connection will be accomplished by the alligator clip jumper cable described above. If probing a 120 VAC outlet (3 terminal), you should wind up reading 0.0 volts when probing the ground pin, and 0.0 volts when probing the neutral pin, and ~170 VAC peak (340 volts peak-to-peak) when probing the "hot" terminal of the 120 VAC outlet. Of course, make sure that you've got the scope set up with a "less sensitive" vertical deflection; 5 V/div should be adequate if you are using a 10X probe. I know that there have been quite a few threads on TekScopes dealing with possible safety issues when using isolation transformers, or autotransformers (e.g. Variacs) that "carry thru" a ground connection when testing switch mode power supplies, but I don't see any of these issues applying for what you are describing. But I've been wrong before, so I hope others will correct me if I'm wrong on this issue. Mike Dinolfo N4MWP
On 10/24/20 3:59 PM, Robert Simpson via groups.io wrote:
Is there a safe way to use my 465M to look at my generator output? The generator I recently acquired will have its own ground separate from my house. In use that won't be a problem as I will only be hooking appliances to the generator with extension cords separate from house power . However, since I don't want to initially power the scope from the generator until I check the generator output, I am worried about working with two different ground connections.
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