toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:40 PM Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:
If you have some familiarity with LCD displays, or CRT displays with
separate drive, then *if* the signals are good, you should be able to
recognize them. If they're bad, however, well.... Let alone which test
point is what......
On 11/6/2019 10:08 PM, Tom B wrote:
I am just catching up on this thread.
There is a youtube video on replacing the CCFLs with LEDs here
The part number for the TDS3000 (no letter) display is listed in the
service manual as an NEC NL6448AC20–06. These displays are available
on ebay and other places for about $60US. I think the part number
for the B model is NL6448BC20-08, but I am not 100% sure of that.
These displays are running about $80-$100US. The only difference I can
find in the in the datasheets between NL6448AC20–06 and the
NL6448BC20-08 is that the -08 model has higher luminance.
Can anyone verify the part number on the TDS3000B display?
I will check for the for the signals that Harvey mentioned when I have
time. The pins that go to the display are really hard to get to
because of the way this thing is built. There are the test points on
the main board, but the service manual makes no mention of what they
On 11/6/2019 10:58 AM, Harvey White wrote:
This is the first item that came up when searching for CCFL LED
no idea if they have anything that will fit.
I have made CCFL replacement strips for some odd displays, the older
Optrex DSTN color displays and the FG0800 8 inch VGA display.
Due to the lack of 12 volts in a battery operated project, all of
them are designed to run the LEDS in parallel, at about 15 ma per
led, about 9 per 4 inch strip. The strips are designed to be
stacked, resulting in parallel operation.
Whether or not the lamps can be reasonably replaced depends on the
manufacturer. In the Optrex displays, remove a screw, swing a shield
aside, and pull out the tube. In the FG0800, it's more involved (and
takes 4 strips), even more if you wanted the side. The silly tube is
a top, left, and bottom assembly.
The replacement should be made to run off the (suspect 12 volts)
supply, and a simple PWM would easily replace the inverter. I'm sure
it varies wildly.
I know there's a market out there, and the more common the display,
perhaps the easier it is to find the LED replacement, or even the
tube itself (which I'd recommend unless you want to go LED).
I went LED because the power consumption in battery operated
equipment goes down by 50 to 75%, and I'm not happy with 1600 volts
running around an experimental setup.
So give these people a try, they seem to be going laptop, so no idea
what else they do.
You might also want to look here:
On 11/6/2019 10:03 AM, David Kuhn wrote:
" there are commercially
available LED backlight kits to replace the CCFL lamps. "
I would be in your dept if you could point me to an LED replacement
fluorescent tubes in the NEC displays like that are used in the TDS3000
series (no bloody A, No bloody B or C). I'll get the actual NEC LCD
number and reply again later. I wonder if the LED replacement is
run off the fluorescent tube inverter supply? I ask that because that
supply has software control line to control the brightness. LET is
probably off or on, unless it is designed to run off the inverter or a
software equivalent inverter is available (retrofitting old
designing new stuff).
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 2:31 PM Harvey White <madyn@...>
On 11/5/2019 1:59 PM, David Kuhn wrote:
Sorry for the response delay.I
I am in Lewistown, PA. How cheap are the displays and where are you
finding them? I have found the ones, used in the Ultrasonic
mentioned, on Alliexpress, and EBAY (haven't ordered any from eitherone),
but I can not find the backlight tubes, which I find is usually theproblem
with the displays. The displays may be just slightly differentthe
TDS3032, but if so, only mechanically. The connectors are theI
really think the part numbers are the same. It's not a real easyDepending on the manufacturer of the display, there are commercially
replacement in those TDS scopes. It looks easy, but it's a pain
available LED backlight kits to replace the CCFL lamps.
You may want to buy the TDS3GV on EBAY. I can't use a TDS3032one,
but I have written a lot of service software in VBA and VB6 thatprove
automatically sets up the scopes and gets data from them. I can also
project my TDS3032 to the 32" TV mounted on the wall above it (an
Sceptre with VGA input) and that's pretty cool.
Again, if the cables are seated well, I doubt the LCD is bad with an
all-white display. My thoughts are a main PCB issue. A TSD3GV could
me wrong.If you find an all white display, then depending on the type of
(positive or negative) you'd suspect no signals to it, or improper
The display is likely to take either 5 or 3.3 volts, recent ones
have take 3.3. Older STN displays can take 5. The white is the
of the backlight working, but no active pixels at all (hence no
Like a CRT display, you'll be looking for a horizontal sync (at
30 Khz), vertical sync (say 60 or so Hz), a DE (likely at horizontal
rate and active high), and a pixel clock at about 25 or so Mhz. You'd
also expect supply voltages to be somewhere on the display. If the
timing is right and the voltages are there, then the display ought
showing something. If not, then look at the other pins, they
R,G,B digital signals, either in 565 (for a 16 bit panel) or 666
18 bit panel). If there's any activity on them, then with the right
sync signals, they ought to be giving something on the display.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:55 PM Tom B <tbryan@...> wrote:
I tried the "B Trig" and nothing happened. Displays are fairly
but I don't want to buy one unless I have to.
Thank you for the offer. I would be a long while before I make
What town are you in?
On 10/29/2019 4:52 PM, David Kuhn wrote:
I'm in central, PA, about 3 hours from you if you ever want toand
try it here with one of my VGA/GPIB modules.
Before that. Power it up while holding in the "B TRIG" button
different on the TDS3014), which on my TDS3032's causes ahad
that fix display issues after replacing the battery NVRAM in in thescope.
The display in the TDS3032, is the exact same LCD used in the GEIT
XS and USN60 instruments. I have worked on many. I have never
LCD fail on those instrument where it's all white. Typical, if notbroken,
is smeary displays that lines seems to go out of sync. Dim, ofwith
broken backlight tubes.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 10:50 PM Tom B <tbryan@...> wrote:
Hi Rich (?),
Thanks. I am located in Maryland near Washington DC.
If anyone in the Washington DC area has a TDS3GV that I could come
and quickly test my scope with, I would appreciate it.
On 10/28/2019 10:29 AM, Oz-in-DFW wrote:
I'd still remove and reseat both ends.that we might be able to mate with your scope briefly.
Where are you in the world? I have a VGA/serial/GPIB card in