Re: Topic title debate, was RE: [TekScopes] 7000 still hard to beat

G Hopper


Thank you!

At the risk of aggravating some readers, I'll say that I think that by
sharing these viewpoints and perspectives, some people (hopefully most)
will alter their mindset and approach and not only respect the idea of
staying on topic or taking the time to to edit the subject to indicate a
subtle change in topic, but that others will be a tiny bit more tolerant to
these "frolics and detours". Both approaches, particularly combined, will
achieve a higher level of satisfaction for everyone.

In this day and age, people seem only too willing to find a reason to take
offense when the best path (and mentally healthiest path) is in fact to
find a reason to overlook the offense (though perhaps it is ok to call it
out) and focus on the positives. Another part of that is the mindfulness
that includes a respect for others and even for what those expectations
might be. Dealing with expectations and the connected emotion can be a
tough/frustrating thing. Especially when it surrounds something that
people look to for pleasure.

Heck, instead of working hard to be offended, we need to both work hard to
respect others, find the positives, and forgive the "trespasses". One of my
"happy thoughts" is the scene from "Life of Brian" where they sing "Always
look on the bright side of life"! not a bad philosophy.

Hopefully this all contributes to members wanting to help and share even


On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 8:42 PM fiftythreebuick <> wrote:

Hi Grant-

Thanks much for your thoughtful post!

From reading the messages in this thread, it appears that the source of
disagreement is the fact that different folks experience a very different
level of aggravation from subject drift in a thread. Honestly, what you
referred to about clicking on a thread and finding out that the subject has
drifted significantly from what the header advertises really doesn't bother
me at all. But, I realize that it aggravates the very daylights out of
some folks! :-) And you're right, I do initially read new messages in an
email digest. I get into a browser to reply or to read a whole thread

I do hope the issue does not continue to disturb the nature of the group.
Too much good info and too many good folks here!


On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 01:51 PM, G Hopper wrote:

I think one reason you might not appreciate Craig's comment and position
twofold. First, is that I would guess that you're reading the posts via
email and so, I agree, it is very easy to delete, but I think we've all
been at the spot where we open an email thinking it is about one thing,
it turns out to be about something different. The extreme of that is
advertising. Opening an email thinking it's about 7000 series stuff only
find it doesn't have anything to do with the stated subject except in a
vague or oblique way, can be just as frustrating and would also fit the
definition of spam from a content point of view.

Second is that when searching on line and hoping to find an answer,
particularly with detail or troubleshooting, I personally find it more
pleasing to not have a lot of extraneous stuff in a topic/subject thread.
While it seems impossible to achieve these days, it's a laudable, and
apparently achievable goal.

Having said that, When I opened the thread, I didn't expect a 7000 only
post. In fact, the post pretty much fit what I expected, a story. In
the subject like practically advertised that there would be a story. I
like the story as well :-) After all, it told of reasons why the 7000
series is useful and part of that is an incredibly necessary explanation
how and why the writer came to that conclusion so that as readers we
consider whether we agree with his premise that "7000 still hard to
He seemed to tell a story that made that point well.

So, in my estimation of things, Craig's original premise (that the OP's
"subject" and contents were inconsistent and not appropriately
wasn't reasonable, but his comments about keeping reply posts on topic or
at least highly pertinent to the original topic was (again IMHO) a good
important point we should all endeavor to subscribe to.


On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 1:33 PM fiftythreebuick <> wrote:

Hi Craig-

I must be missing something....

If I click on a thread and see that it's veered off topic so that it's
longer of interest to me, it only takes oh maybe 3 - 5 seconds to
click on
another thread. That doesn't seem like a big deal to me, but am I
something? I genuinely don't understand the problem!

Have a great evening!


On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 08:02 AM, Craig Sawyers wrote:

Here's the thing Chuck - if the topic was called something like
7000 series - a comparison"
or something similar that would have been more informative of the

I have a lot of interest in the 7000 series and none at all in the
(apart from anything else I
have no room left for any other series!) - hence my chagrin at
and expecting it to be
about the 7000 series and finding it was something else entirely.

Frustratingly this happens all the time, and renders it difficult to
impossible to find relevant posts
in the archives.

There is one list I'm a long standing member of
( ) where
if a thread strays off topic the mods simply delete the straying
within minutes. And
don't even tell you if and why your post has vanished.

I'm not remotely suggesting that we go down that route - just a
discipline in (a) using
an informative title for the thread and (b) if the thread changes to
different topic to change the
working title to reflect that.

We agree about the politics entirely ;-)


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On Behalf
Sent: 05 November 2019 14:48
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7000 still hard to beat


You are out of line here. You are my friend, but you are

Peter opened this thread describing how his go to 2465B
fell short of his needs, forcing him to resort to a
combination of 7A22 and 7000 series scope to make his

That was an obvious opening for both 2465B fans, and
7000 series fans to discuss the topic.

To add fuel to this fire, I calibrate lots of 2465 family
scopes, for group members, but my go to scope is a 7854
for the same reason that Peter went to his 7103/7A22 to
solve his difficult task.

I keep my 7854 stuffed with an assortment of plugins that
meet my daily needs in a way I just can't with the highly
capable, portable, but ultimately limited 2465B.

Discussions on this group are never fixed and ridged they
wiggle and squirm their way into different discussions...

But excepting for your tirade, this discussion has stuck
to its original course. It started as a discussion of
2465B's vs 7000 series versatility, and so it has remained.

Be glad that we haven't veered into politics.

-Chuck Harris

Craig Sawyers wrote:
Don't agree. When I open a post that is "7000 still hard to
beat" I
to find posts on the
of the 7000 series scopes and plug ins. Not the 2465B.

There is nothing more frustrating than keeping a message title
digressing onto another topic.


-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of
Sent: 05 November 2019 01:52
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7000 still hard to beat

Well that is a little rude Craig. The OP clearly states that a
2465B is
his main scope and he
out a R7103 and put in a 7A22 for greater sensitivity and
input. My simple question
asking if there was an active probe with diff inputs that could
his main scope, the

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