Re: 545 HV won't oscillate 100% of the time.


Don Black <donald_black@...>
 

Oops. I meant eBay bumblebee and black beauty caps, not tubes. Freudian slip??

Don Black.

On 08-Dec-13 8:09 PM, Don Black wrote:
 

I hope you get it sorted out Dan but I was being facetious about the eBay tubes advertised as tested good. I wonder what tests were done? I noticed another ad for similar caps saying they were tested OK on a bridge. No mention of leakage or if the bridge had to be adjusted for losses. Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age.

Don Black,

On 08-Dec-13 10:33 AM, Daniel Koller wrote:
 

Hi all,
  My caps probably are bad.  When I first got the scope around 1980, I learned about "black beauties" and had to replace them in the power supply, but I think I recall being told that the bumble-bee types were fine, so those stayed in.  Now it looks like I have leakage from them in the HV power supply.  See the attached photo here: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TekScopes/photos/albums/158207078/lightbox/1517700781
The two shiny black 0.001 uF caps stand out because they are coated in oil.  You can't see it on the photo, but there is a film of liquid oil between the middle cap and the 56K resistor below it.  Those two are coming out but being a big fan of "don't mess with it if it ain't broke" I might leave the other caps in unless there is an obvious failure. Mind you, my scope works well when it does turn on.

But I've had some other modifications it seems.  What's that square cap on the left and the 2.2K resistor doing there?  I'll have to trace the circuit to see where they were put in and why.  Maybe that was a long ago patch for the oscillator failure?  Or the cause of it now?

I see now why I had originally thought my scope was much younger than it is - before I learned from the group here that the "brown" Teks were pre-1954.  There is this circuit board in my scope:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/TekScopes/photos/albums/158207078/lightbox/1026393052
Someone seems to have made factory improvements circa 1967.   What was in its place before this?  Is it possible my additional HV circuit components were placed in the same upgrades/refurbishment?

Back to the shop.  I've got an hour before guests arrive!

Dan

On Saturday, December 7, 2013 10:58 AM, Don Black wrote:

>I'm not so sure. Yours may be faulty, these are tested good so they must be a rare animal.
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>Don Black.
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>On 08-Dec-13 2:31 AM, Daniel Koller wrote:
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>>I'll check and see what's in there.   And when I take them out, I'll sell them on e-bay to an audiophool!!
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-TUBE-AMP-CAPACITORS-0-1uF-400V-Sprague-Bumblebee/171185528791?_trksid=p2047675.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D333005%26algo%3DRIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D177%26meid%3D3232141210003616509%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D1088%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D181276706729%26
>>
>>(No affiliation with the seller!)
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>On Friday, December 6, 2013 11:27 PM, Chuck Harris wrote:
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>>>Most of the time with the 545, the problem is the
              black beauty oil/paper
>>>tubular capacitors used for the HV filters.  They
              always go bad, and if
>>>they haven't been replaced, you must replace
              them.  Ceramic is fine.
>>>
>>>There is also a BB cap that is in series with the grid
              feedback winding,
>>>and another in parallel with the plate winding.  Both
              must go.
>>>
>>>-Chuck Harris
>>>
>>>Daniel Koller wrote:
>>>> Howdy,
>>>>
>>>> The recent discussions on HV repairs has me
              thinking I should look into the issues
>>>> in my 545 (not A or B, old style square case).  
              It works very very well, but
>>>> about half of the time, increasingly more, the HV
              circuit will not oscillate.  If
>>>> I pull the plug-in out and drop it back in, it
              will work.  I know this is not a
>>>> recommended option!  Alternatively, if I shut it
              off and wait for it to cool, it
>>>> will work when I turn it on with about the same
              probability, or a little less.
>>>> Once the scope is on it's up to spec.
>>>>
>>>> The 6AU5 is not brand new, but is good.  It was
              replaced recently with no
>>>> improvement.
>>>>
>>>> So, suggestions as to where to start on this
              intermittant problem are welcome.  Is
>>>> there anything I should look for or measure that
              might indicate what is getting
>>>> tired?
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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