Bofors 40mm AAA gun - how deployed in N. Africa


quidveritas25@...
 

Where does the Bofors 40mm AAA gun fit into the British Infantry brigade or armored brigade TO&E ?

Michael J Clinton


MARK BEVIS
 


The 40mm Bofors were divisional level, and corps level assets, usually deployed around the DHQ and divisional artillery. A division usually had one AA Regiment of 3 Batteries each of 3 Troops.
Batteries (3 troops of 4 guns) or individual troops were often allocated to brigades, especially for mobile operations, but were never part of the official TOE of brigades.

By late 1942 Troops were being raised to 6 guns.

Mark


On Thu, 2 Mar 2023 at 15:51, <quidveritas25@...> wrote:
Where does the Bofors 40mm AAA gun fit into the British Infantry brigade or armored brigade TO&E ?

Michael J Clinton


Peter F Model
 

I suspect they were main held at Divisional artillery level and allocated accordingly.

On 2/03/2023 21:17, quidveritas25@... wrote:
Where does the Bofors 40mm AAA gun fit into the British Infantry brigade or armored brigade TO&E ?

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Donald Mundy
 

I found a note in any old research project on operation CRUSADER (Nov – Dec, 1941) that states - 112 Light AA (40mm) Battery of the 13th LAA Regiment was attached to 4th Armoured Brigade, with a troop of four guns being sent to each of the three armoured regiments (8th Hussars, 3RTR, and 5RTR).  Was probably used to protect the regimental “tank harbors” along with (usually) an infantry company and a troop of 25 pounder Arty.

So as Mark stated earlier, a divisional or higher asset, allocated to lower-level units as needed.

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On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 2:52 PM Peter F Model <peter.f.model@...> wrote:

I suspect they were main held at Divisional artillery level and allocated accordingly.

On 2/03/2023 21:17, quidveritas25@... wrote:
Where does the Bofors 40mm AAA gun fit into the British Infantry brigade or armored brigade TO&E ?

Michael J Clinton
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Steve Maynard
 

All, 

 

I grabbed my handy copy of “The British Army in WWII: A Handbook on the Organization, Armament, Equipment, Ranks, Uniforms, etc. 1942” Greenhill books (A reprint of TM 30-410 Handbook on the British Army, with supplement on the Royal Air Force and Civil Defence Organizations dated 13 Sept 1942).  In that book on page 33 Section 31 Anti-aircraft and anti-tank paragraphs a and b I found in part in part:

 

  1. “Each infantry division contains an organic light anti-aircraft regiment…  In combat on light anti-aircraft battery (U.S. Battalion) … may be attached to the infantry brigade.”

  2. “The divisional light anti-aircraft regiment is armed with fifty-four 40-mm Bofors AA guns…”

 

 

Of course it is very likely that unit structures changed as the war progressed and what were temporary attachments became more permanent.  Equally likely is that these “standard attachments” were not reflected in the T/O and Es.  Also true that weapons systems and numbers of guns changed but these would have been reflected in published T/O and Es. 

 

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quidveritas25@...
 

Thank you all for your responses thus far.

So if the Divisional AAA regiment contains 54 guns, would that break down into (9 x 6) six gun batteries?

What was the basic, lowest level organizational unit that contained the Bofors 40mm gun?

Michael J. Clinton


MARK BEVIS
 

The 54 guns per Light AA Regiment was for about August 1942 onwards, in three Batteries each of three Troops each of 6 guns.
A Troop in British parlance in this case being equivalent to everyone else's platoon.
Battery organisation here:

The earlier organisation is here, with 4 guns per Troop:

Below Troop level there are only individual gun sections, although I don't recall ever seeing data on a Troop being split up and single gun sections attached out to fighting battalions, companies or squadrons.

Mark



On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 at 05:30, <quidveritas25@...> wrote:
Thank you all for your responses thus far.

So if the Divisional AAA regiment contains 54 guns, would that break down into (9 x 6) six gun batteries?

What was the basic, lowest level organizational unit that contained the Bofors 40mm gun?

Michael J. Clinton


H Haenga
 

Hi

For NZ  was Section Left or Right, each of 3 40mm Guns. The sections (with Troop HQ) make up a Troop (6 guns) in late 1941 (, before this sections were 2 guns and troops of 4 guns and Battery’s of 12 Guns,the NZ Division only had 3 A/A Battery’s (36 guns) in its 14th AA  Regiment as the 4th   was never Formed ( The 44th )

 

British A/A Section 1944

1 sergeant , 10 gunners,  1 tractor,1 3ton Lorry ,1 40mm gun,1 genrator,1 predictor, 1 LMG  (3 ton 72 rounds, tractor 192 rounds) (1944 WE/II/1942/64/1)

 

Hildaren

 

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Thank you all for your responses thus far.

So if the Divisional AAA regiment contains 54 guns, would that break down into (9 x 6) six gun batteries?

What was the basic, lowest level organizational unit that contained the Bofors 40mm gun?

Michael J. Clinton

 

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