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Re: Unprotocol & UIDIGI Menu Settings

noskosteve
 

Hey Scott,

Welcome to APRS.

For some plain language and up to date explanations for the beginner.

In the Files area is the Folder:
K9DCI's Excel CAT & Beginner Guide & Mic quick guide

Which has the file:
APRS Beginner Guide - K9DCI Ver 4.pdf

Comments invited and welcome.

I believe I address UNPROTO, but not UIDIGI.

Simply, UNPROTO says that you are sending a packet TO all APRS stations. It must start with "AP". You don't need to, nor should you change this. The K means Kenwood and the rest defines the version.

UIDIGI is used when the radio is operating as a repeater and defines what it will repeat. IF you decide to do ANY repeating, please read up on this and request help.

73, Steve, K9DCI

--- In TMD700A@..., "w8att@..." <w8att@...> wrote:

I have my radio up and running APRS but was asking what these two menu options do and any suggestions for the settings of them. Appreciate any help here.
Thanx,
Scott W8ATT

Re: Serial cable question

Benny Miller <bmiller@...>
 

All,

Well if you have a serial adaptor that you can not get to work and no
longer have a use for, then send it to me. I'll try to use it. I currently
have a byterunner 8 serial port card, 4 USB hubs 6 USB serial ports, cameras
and data card programmer, card readers etc. and I never have enough serial
ports. With separate rig controls, home automation and HT's there seems like
never enough. That is just my main system, not counting my other computers
and laptop for the car. Of course most things can be solved with throwing
enough money at it, but besides Bill Gates who has it. So if you have a good
Laptop Auto Mount you aren't using then I could use that for my car also (99
Grand AM). I really like my TM-D700A for the car and the TH-D7ag for
carrying around.

I get most my rigs through Birthday or Christmas gifts once in a while.
Still a long list and still waiting on the 6 million, but that will only
come from Nigeria I think. Just I do not have enough Birthdays and
Christmas's to go in a year. HiHi.

I use several different off brand of USB to serial adapters but no Belkins
tried here as yet.

Only USB problem I've had with drivers has been trying to use two of the
same make of USB Cameras, computer gets confused once in awhile. I do not
have 2 or more of the same USB to serial adaptors either.

I'm constantly switching USB to serial adaptors from main system to laptop.
I really like the Signalink USB; although, I think it could be better on
transmit I use on yet another computer that has my MagicJack on it (24/7).
It receives far better than it seems to transmit; then again it could be my
TM-D700a's receive sensitivity in the car or my short height on my home
antenna with the rolling hills of Georgia.

Currently using FT-470, FT-100D, TM-D700a, TH-D7ag, FT-2800 and finally a RS
10 meter transceiver with a pk-232. All rigs setup for digital operation of
one type or another. Is D-Star next? Who knows what the next b-day will
bring.

Message Relevance: I usually have several serial cables hanging around here
at the house and the major problem I had was the wrong connectors and having
to use adapters for m/m or f/f. A standard USB to serial cable (USB-1200)
seemed to work just fine on the TM-d700a with a sex change adapter. The
adapter made things rather stick out a bit since it is mounted under the
dash on the floor. Next installation, next car, will orientate the cables
and antenna connections a different direction.

For driver updates or pick and choose I use Innovative syspack - DriverMax
has worked out pretty good for me (cost $, and not affiliated other than a
consumer). Just create a restore point every time as some drivers just don't
work quite right. Also use BelArc Advisor to make sure my system is up to
date or service packs and updates, checks things better than Microsoft
Update and it is free for home use. Driver updates did correct some
conflicts on USB to serial adaptors.

BTW - Just got an Opek 2/70cm (I think it is the VU-1501) mag mount antenna
for the TM-700a in the car and it was a real improvement from the short
comet I had before; although, with the tall Opek I had to mount it on the
trunk as the 5" mag mount would not hold antenna at 70 MPH when passing big
rigs. Probably should use the 3 - 5" mag mount system.

TM-D700A is my favorite rig.

73's
Ben ARS w4qed

Quod erat demonstrandum!
That which was to be demonstrated!

-----Original Message-----
From: TMD700A@... [mailto:TMD700A@...] On Behalf Of
Francisco Diaz
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 2:31 PM
To: TMD700A@...
Subject: [TMD700A] Re: Serial cable question

Hi,

Although I agree with you that is best to have a real serial port in the
computer instead of a USB to Serial Adapter, with todays computers that is
something very hard; specially with consumer oriented market laptops. Now
about my experience with the USB to Serial adapters has been that some work,
some do not work well (or none at all).

Basically he just has to hope that his USB to Serial Adapter works. Seems
that not all manufacturers implement the USB to Serial logic right to the
full specs of the original serial. And just because you have a big brand
name in the adapter, does not give any warranty that it will work. I have
not worked with the belkin brand USB to Serial Adapters, but have heard of
lots of amateur having problems with that model in specific with many things
like TNC, Sound Card Adapters and/or Serial Programming interfaces with
radios.

Another thing he has to make sure is to have the correct and latest driver
of that USB to Serial Adapter to minimize chance of incompatibility with the
radio.

Thanks,



Francisco
NP3OD


--- In TMD700A@..., Joe Pistritto <jcp@...> wrote:

My experience here is that doesnt work with the programming software for
the TMD700A

I had to get a *real* serial cable and hook it up to a real serial port
(ie. all 9 pins straight through).
a USB serial adapter would not work.

Now, i've done the other thing when i just wanted to run WinAPRS or
something with the radio, but if you're going to use a connection for
programming, its best if its a real serial port.
-jcp-

Billy Mason (E-Lists) wrote:
One could get the appropriate gender RJ45 to Serial Adapters and connect
them with a standard network (Ethernet) cable. A very simple and
compact
way to make your own serial cables. Mix and match the genders of the
adapters and can cover all bases.





Regards,



Billy Mason, KD5KNR

Bedford, TX

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Re: Serial cable question

Ben Lindner-VK5JFK <vk5jfk@...>
 

I actually have a USB-Serial cable that works with both my 700 and TH7. I had it back in the old days of Win98. I saw a picture on a website that looked like mine, so downloaded drivers just to check if it would work and it been going ever since.

chees
Ben - VK5JFK

Joe Pistritto wrote:


My experience here is that doesnt work with the programming software for
the TMD700A

I had to get a *real* serial cable and hook it up to a real serial port
(ie. all 9 pins straight through).
a USB serial adapter would not work.

Now, i've done the other thing when i just wanted to run WinAPRS or
something with the radio, but if you're going to use a connection for
programming, its best if its a real serial port.
-jcp-

Billy Mason (E-Lists) wrote:
One could get the appropriate gender RJ45 to Serial Adapters and connect
them with a standard network (Ethernet) cable. A very simple and compact
way to make your own serial cables. Mix and match the genders of the
adapters and can cover all bases.





Regards,



Billy Mason, KD5KNR

Bedford, TX

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Re: Serial cable question

Glenn Dixon <dixonge@...>
 

and to add to the complexity, I'm using the USB-serial adapter on a
Mac......

Glenn
dixonge@...

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Francisco Diaz <np3od@...> wrote:

Hi,

Although I agree with you that is best to have a real serial port in the
computer instead of a USB to Serial Adapter, with todays computers that is
something very hard; specially with consumer oriented market laptops. Now
about my experience with the USB to Serial adapters has been that some work,
some do not work well (or none at all).

Basically he just has to hope that his USB to Serial Adapter works. Seems
that not all manufacturers implement the USB to Serial logic right to the
full specs of the original serial. And just because you have a big brand
name in the adapter, does not give any warranty that it will work. I have
not worked with the belkin brand USB to Serial Adapters, but have heard of
lots of amateur having problems with that model in specific with many things
like TNC, Sound Card Adapters and/or Serial Programming interfaces with
radios.

Another thing he has to make sure is to have the correct and latest driver
of that USB to Serial Adapter to minimize chance of incompatibility with the
radio.

Thanks,

Francisco
NP3OD

Re: Serial cable question

np3od
 

Hi,

Although I agree with you that is best to have a real serial port in the computer instead of a USB to Serial Adapter, with todays computers that is something very hard; specially with consumer oriented market laptops. Now about my experience with the USB to Serial adapters has been that some work, some do not work well (or none at all).

Basically he just has to hope that his USB to Serial Adapter works. Seems that not all manufacturers implement the USB to Serial logic right to the full specs of the original serial. And just because you have a big brand name in the adapter, does not give any warranty that it will work. I have not worked with the belkin brand USB to Serial Adapters, but have heard of lots of amateur having problems with that model in specific with many things like TNC, Sound Card Adapters and/or Serial Programming interfaces with radios.

Another thing he has to make sure is to have the correct and latest driver of that USB to Serial Adapter to minimize chance of incompatibility with the radio.

Thanks,



Francisco
NP3OD

--- In TMD700A@..., Joe Pistritto <jcp@...> wrote:

My experience here is that doesnt work with the programming software for
the TMD700A

I had to get a *real* serial cable and hook it up to a real serial port
(ie. all 9 pins straight through).
a USB serial adapter would not work.

Now, i've done the other thing when i just wanted to run WinAPRS or
something with the radio, but if you're going to use a connection for
programming, its best if its a real serial port.
-jcp-

Billy Mason (E-Lists) wrote:
One could get the appropriate gender RJ45 to Serial Adapters and connect
them with a standard network (Ethernet) cable. A very simple and compact
way to make your own serial cables. Mix and match the genders of the
adapters and can cover all bases.





Regards,



Billy Mason, KD5KNR

Bedford, TX

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Re: Serial cable question

Dale Blanchard
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <noskosteve@...>
To: TMD700A@...
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:14:54 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [TMD700A] Re: Serial cable question







Yea.
While I have a few of the larger style (and some null modems like that) I grabbed onto a few of that second, smaller type and they really come in handy. Especially after spending time making that oh-so-perfect connector to find out you grabbed the wrong sex DB-9...Arrrrrg!

--
73, Steve, K9DCI

Back when RS-232 serial became standard every one had their own standards .

Once you took a cable out of the box it was not marked ats to what it was.

I understand it all now, but it was a hard thing to learn when the computer guru's did not know anything. Then there was the non standard cables like Commodore and others had .

Dale

Re: Serial cable question

np3od
 

Hi,

I would have to check my D700 but I am sure the D700 serial cable plug is a DB-9 Serial Male and most computers today (including USB to Serial Adapters) use DB-9 Male. What he needs is a DB-9 Female to Female straight thru cable.

Now if he got a Null Modem Cable (like he says he bought), he can still use it if he buys a crossover adapter making sure that both ends end in Female DB-9. A simple Gender Bender only changes the end of a DB-9 Male to a DB-9 Female (or any other kind of Male/Female plug).

But I personally prefer the approach of using only the Straight Thru cable, remember KISS (and not the KISS of TNC's).

He should be able to get any of those cables and/or adapters in stores that carry computer cable accessories; like Radio Shack, CompUSA/Tigerdirect, Blackbox or any other (either brick and mortar store or internet store).

Good luck and thanks,



Francisco
NP3OD

--- In TMD700A@..., "w0web" <w0web@...> wrote:

again you'll need what we in the computer field call a GENDER BENDER you can get them at any Rat Shack
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Dixon
To: TMD700A@...
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 13:12
Subject: Re: [TMD700A] Serial cable question


but my usb-to-serial adapter ends in a male serial port, and the radio has a
male serial port.....

Glenn
dixonge@...

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 2:23 PM, w0web <w0web@...> wrote:

> NO, you'll need a standard serial cable with a gender bender
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glenn Dixon
> To: TMD700A@... <TMD700A%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:53
> Subject: [TMD700A] Serial cable question
>
> So I want to connect from my PC to my radio to do some memory channel
> programming, etc. I bought a female-to-female null modem cable. Will this
> work or will I need a crossover?
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>






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Unprotocol & UIDIGI Menu Settings

w8att@sbcglobal.net
 

I have my radio up and running APRS but was asking what these two menu options do and any suggestions for the settings of them. Appreciate any help here.
Thanx,
Scott W8ATT

Re: Serial cable question

Joe Pistritto <jcp@...>
 

My experience here is that doesnt work with the programming software for the TMD700A

I had to get a *real* serial cable and hook it up to a real serial port (ie. all 9 pins straight through).
a USB serial adapter would not work.

Now, i've done the other thing when i just wanted to run WinAPRS or something with the radio, but if you're going to use a connection for programming, its best if its a real serial port.
-jcp-

Billy Mason (E-Lists) wrote:

One could get the appropriate gender RJ45 to Serial Adapters and connect
them with a standard network (Ethernet) cable. A very simple and compact
way to make your own serial cables. Mix and match the genders of the
adapters and can cover all bases.



Regards,


Billy Mason, KD5KNR

Bedford, TX

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Re: Serial cable question

Billy Mason \(E-Lists\) <elists@...>
 

One could get the appropriate gender RJ45 to Serial Adapters and connect
them with a standard network (Ethernet) cable. A very simple and compact
way to make your own serial cables. Mix and match the genders of the
adapters and can cover all bases.





Regards,



Billy Mason, KD5KNR

Bedford, TX

_,___

Re: Serial cable question

noskosteve
 

--- In TMD700A@..., "GK" <glendor2@...> wrote:

For those who might not be computer literate, that is a "Gender Changer" and you can go from "male to Male" or "female to Female".
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0202119
or
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0283992
Or a bit cuter, Gender Bender.

Yea.
While I have a few of the larger style (and some null modems like that) I grabbed onto a few of that second, smaller type and they really come in handy. Especially after spending time making that oh-so-perfect connector to find out you grabbed the wrong sex DB-9...Arrrrrg!


--
73, Steve, K9DCI

Re: Serial cable question

Glenn Dixon <dixonge@...>
 

Thanks, Steve.

I obviously made the wrong choice when guessing which cable would work.
Unfortunately Tanner Electronics is closed on Sundays :o(

But I'll be back over there this week. My cable was around $4 as opposed to
Radio Shack or Best Buy's ridiculously high prices. Same for the audio
cable to extend the GPS cable. I love that place.

Glenn
dixonge@...

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Steve <noskosteve@...> wrote:

--- In TMD700A@... <TMD700A%40yahoogroups.com>, Glenn Dixon
<dixonge@...> wrote:

so I need to take my female-to-female null modem cable back and exchange
it for a female-to-female straight cable?

Yep.

If the USB<>Serial a Male
and the
Radio is Male

You need an F to F straight through cable.
No nul modem. No Gender Bender needed.

Though, JUST IN CASE, if they don't have an F to F, you may still use one
to make an F to F.

And BTW, IF you have Excel, There is an Excel workbook in the Files Area
that does FULL memory management and a bit more. Look for my call.

-- 73, Steve, K9DCI


Re: Serial cable question

Dale Blanchard
 

I got my cable at Radio Shack. Has the correct plugs on each end, straight thru,
Cost $20.00 tho. Computer shops did not have any.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: "w0web" <w0web@...>
To: TMD700A@...
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:15:49 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [TMD700A] Serial cable question






again you'll need what we in the computer field call a GENDER BENDER you can get them at any Rat Shack
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Dixon

Re: Serial cable question

GK
 

For those who might not be computer literate, that is a "Gender Changer" and you can go from "male to Male" or "female to Female".
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0202119
or
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0283992

----- Original Message -----
From: w0web
To: TMD700A@...
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TMD700A] Serial cable question


again you'll need what we in the computer field call a GENDER BENDER you can get them at any Rat Shack
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Dixon
To: TMD700A@...
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 13:12
Subject: Re: [TMD700A] Serial cable question

but my usb-to-serial adapter ends in a male serial port, and the radio has a
male serial port.....

Glenn
dixonge@...

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 2:23 PM, w0web <w0web@...> wrote:

> NO, you'll need a standard serial cable with a gender bender
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glenn Dixon
> To: TMD700A@... <TMD700A%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:53
> Subject: [TMD700A] Serial cable question
>
> So I want to connect from my PC to my radio to do some memory channel
> programming, etc. I bought a female-to-female null modem cable. Will this
> work or will I need a crossover?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Serial cable question

noskosteve
 

--- In TMD700A@..., Glenn Dixon <dixonge@...> wrote:

so I need to take my female-to-female null modem cable back and exchange it for a female-to-female straight cable?

Yep.

If the USB<>Serial a Male
and the
Radio is Male

You need an F to F straight through cable.
No nul modem. No Gender Bender needed.

Though, JUST IN CASE, if they don't have an F to F, you may still use one to make an F to F.

And BTW, IF you have Excel, There is an Excel workbook in the Files Area that does FULL memory management and a bit more. Look for my call.

-- 73, Steve, K9DCI

Re: Serial cable question

Glenn Dixon <dixonge@...>
 

so I need to take my female-to-female null modem cable back and exchange it
for a female-to-female straight cable?

sorry for the confusion here

Glenn
dixonge@...

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 3:16 PM, w0web <w0web@...> wrote:

Female cable end is what you need, CABLE MUST BE FEMALE to hook to the
radio

----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Dixon
To: TMD700A@... <TMD700A%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 13:12
Subject: Re: [TMD700A] Serial cable question

but my usb-to-serial adapter ends in a male serial port, and the radio has
a
male serial port.....

Glenn
dixonge@... <dixonge%40gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 2:23 PM, w0web <w0web@...<w0web%40comcast.net>>
wrote:

NO, you'll need a standard serial cable with a gender bender
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Dixon
To: TMD700A@... <TMD700A%40yahoogroups.com> <TMD700A%
40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:53
Subject: [TMD700A] Serial cable question

So I want to connect from my PC to my radio to do some memory channel
programming, etc. I bought a female-to-female null modem cable. Will this
work or will I need a crossover?









Re: Serial cable question

w0web <w0web@...>
 

Female cable end is what you need, CABLE MUST BE FEMALE to hook to the radio

----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Dixon
To: TMD700A@...
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 13:12
Subject: Re: [TMD700A] Serial cable question


but my usb-to-serial adapter ends in a male serial port, and the radio has a
male serial port.....

Glenn
dixonge@...

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 2:23 PM, w0web <w0web@...> wrote:

> NO, you'll need a standard serial cable with a gender bender
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glenn Dixon
> To: TMD700A@... <TMD700A%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:53
> Subject: [TMD700A] Serial cable question
>
> So I want to connect from my PC to my radio to do some memory channel
> programming, etc. I bought a female-to-female null modem cable. Will this
> work or will I need a crossover?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Serial cable question

w0web <w0web@...>
 

again you'll need what we in the computer field call a GENDER BENDER you can get them at any Rat Shack

----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Dixon
To: TMD700A@...
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 13:12
Subject: Re: [TMD700A] Serial cable question


but my usb-to-serial adapter ends in a male serial port, and the radio has a
male serial port.....

Glenn
dixonge@...

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 2:23 PM, w0web <w0web@...> wrote:

> NO, you'll need a standard serial cable with a gender bender
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glenn Dixon
> To: TMD700A@... <TMD700A%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:53
> Subject: [TMD700A] Serial cable question
>
> So I want to connect from my PC to my radio to do some memory channel
> programming, etc. I bought a female-to-female null modem cable. Will this
> work or will I need a crossover?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Serial cable question

Glenn Dixon <dixonge@...>
 

but my usb-to-serial adapter ends in a male serial port, and the radio has a
male serial port.....


Glenn
dixonge@...

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 2:23 PM, w0web <w0web@...> wrote:

NO, you'll need a standard serial cable with a gender bender
----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Dixon
To: TMD700A@... <TMD700A%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:53
Subject: [TMD700A] Serial cable question

So I want to connect from my PC to my radio to do some memory channel
programming, etc. I bought a female-to-female null modem cable. Will this
work or will I need a crossover?




Re: Serial cable question

w0web <w0web@...>
 

NO, you'll need a standard serial cable with a gender bender

----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn Dixon
To: TMD700A@...
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 11:53
Subject: [TMD700A] Serial cable question


So I want to connect from my PC to my radio to do some memory channel programming, etc. I bought a female-to-female null modem cable. Will this work or will I need a crossover?