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Meter gauge Stadler Electro-Diesels, Diesels and Battery-Electrics

Thomas
 

Hello,

Have any of the following locos already been delivered?:

AB Gem 2/2 95-96 (option for one being an HGem 2/2)
CJ Gem 2/2 512-513
MGB HGm 2/2 701/704 (I've seen both 702 and 703 in use)
MGB Gm 2/2 811

Regards, Thomas.

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Am 27.03.2019 um 19:36 schrieb Thomas:
Have any of the following locos already been delivered?:
AB Gem 2/2 95-96 (option for one being an HGem 2/2)
CJ Gem 2/2 512-513
MGB HGm 2/2 701/704 (I've seen both 702 and 703 in use)
MGB Gm 2/2 811
701-704 should be delivered (704 yesterday), but none of the others

Markus, Gürbetal

Martin Baumann
 

The CJ units are 521 and 522 and not as originally planned.

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Am 14.10.2019 um 13:58 schrieb Martin Baumann:
The CJ units are 521 and 522 and not as originally planned.
And what do you think had originally been planned?
Markus, Gürbetal

Martin Baumann
 

512 and 513 which was posted on this group by Thomas on March 27

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Am 15.10.2019 um 10:10 schrieb Martin Baumann:
512 and 513 which was posted on this group by Thomas on March 27
Well, Thomas has to tell us, where he found these. But on an official level, Stadler on behalf of CJ had applied for the numbers 521 and 522 at the Federal Office of Transport in May 2018 already. In the NVR the numbers are still in "Reservation" modus
90 85 856 0521-9
90 85 856 0522-7

Markus, Gürbetal

Thomas
 

Those were the numbers shown on http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/switzerland/switzerland_cj.html

Rgds, Thomas.

Martin Baumann
 

The new MGB locos are described in detail at

https://tst-suisse.ch/files/861/tst-xm-hgm-tm-tea.pdf

Guerbetaler
 

Am 01.11.2019 um 11:47 schrieb Martin Baumann:
The new MGB locos are described in detail at
But this still doesn't expalin why they are in different classes. HGm and Tm have exactly the same motor. So they should either be

HGm, Gm and Gea

or then

Tmh, Tm and Tea

logic?

Markus

KEMPKENS, Klaus [DE]
 

Markus wrote: "HGm, Gm and Gea
or then
Tmh, Tm and Tea - logic?"

In Germany there is a difference between "locos" (for Diesels, 200s series) and "Kleinloks" (literally "small locos", 300s series), the latter requiring not a full engine driver license. And the latter became larger over the years, starting at some 25 horsepowers, then in the 60s going upto 250 horsepower only, but in the 80s, the 650 horse power type 260s shunting locos became "360" type to avoid the need for a fully licensed driver. (Kleinlok license is quicker to get, driving allowed within yard limits only).

Is there something similar in Switzerland, with Tm/ Tmh being similar to "Kleinlok" ?

Klaus


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Am 04.11.2019 um 15:12 schrieb KEMPKENS, Klaus [DE]:
In Germany there is a difference between "locos" (for Diesels, 200s series) and "Kleinloks" (literally "small locos", 300s series), the latter requiring not a full engine driver license. [...] Is there
something similar in Switzerland, with Tm/ Tmh being similar to
"Kleinlok" ?
Traktor is in fact the Swiss word for Kleinlok. And there had been a rule of the type that persons with a formation for shunting could be instructed to drive a tractor (Traktorführer). This has disappeared with the national categories for driver licences. There is no restriction about the type of motive power. The categories are:

<https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classified-compilation/20092177/index.html#a4>

A40 = shunting within stations max 40 km/h
A = shunting max 60 km/h and restricted load
B60 = max 60 km/h on "simple conditions" railways
B80 = max 80 km/h and restricted load and max 1200 t
B100 = max 100 km/h and restricted load
B = no restriction

restricted load = 600 t on grades above 25‰ and max 200 t on steep narrow gauge lines.

"simple conditions" railways are: BLM, BRB, DBZ, DFB, GGB, JB, MG,
MIB, MVR-BC, MVR-MGN, PB, RB, AB-RHB, AB-RhW, RiT, SEHR, BOB-SPB, ST,
TL-M2, TRN-RdB, VVT, WAB

Markus

Max Wyss
 

Maybe nitpicking or stupid question: Does Db also count as "simple
conditions", or is it not covered by that regulation at all?

Max.


OL.Guerbetal
 

Am 05.11.2019 um 01:22 schrieb Max Wyss:
Maybe nitpicking or stupid question: Does Db also count as "simple
conditions", or is it not covered by that regulation at all?
See official initials DBZ :-)