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Re 4/4 diagram query

David Prior
 

The 420 diagrams contain an odd-looking pair of services that don’t appear in the online timetable. Anyone know if 220 / 221 actually run or not ?

612.1
220(DA) Domodossola – Vallorbe 01.17 – 04.10

612.3
221​Vallorbe – Domodossola 23.41 – 02.53

612.4
220​(EA) Domodossola – Vallorbe 01.17 – 04.10

Guerbetaler
 

Am 02.07.2019 um 23:05 schrieb David Prior via Groups.Io:
The 420 diagrams contain an odd-looking pair of services that don’t
appear in the online timetable. Anyone know if 220 / 221 actually run
or not ?
They do appear. If you take the timetable from sbb.ch, search for Paris - Milano using the advanced search choosing "Direct connections with sleeping car"

19:15 Paris-Gare de Lyon
Train EuroNight 201 Direction Venezia S. Lucia THELLO
arr 06:00 Milano Centrale

23:10 Milano Centrale
Train EuroNight 200 Direction Paris-Gare de Lyon THELLO
arr 09:37 Paris-Gare de Lyon

Markus

gordonwis
 

They are the Paris - Milan Thello night trains - the last vestige of north - south European night trains via Vallorbe. The locos sit at Vallorbe station during the day waiting for the next night On Tuesday, 2 July 2019, 22:25:59 BST, David Prior via Groups.Io <david.prior64=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

The 420 diagrams contain an odd-looking pair of services that don’t appear in the online timetable. Anyone know if 220 / 221 actually run or not ?

612.1
220(DA) Domodossola – Vallorbe 01.17 – 04.10

612.3
221​Vallorbe – Domodossola 23.41 – 02.53

612.4
220​(EA) Domodossola – Vallorbe 01.17 – 04.10

csipromo
 

Is this because the trains have no stops in Switzerland?
How many Thello runs are there? Is it just Paris-Venice or is there still a Paris-Milano-Rome run?

Regards

Mike C

David Prior
 

Aha ... found them now : non-stop Dijon-Milano hence not on the “normal” SBB T/T.
Presumably hauled by the loco pool based in Brig (?).
Thanks to all for the info.

David

Thomas
 

Thello operates the nightly EN 220/221 Venice-Paris and three daily Milano-Nice, while SNCF operates three daily TGVs Paris-Milano with connection to Rome.

Usually, the Venice-Paris Thello operates via Modane on the nights Mo/Tu-Fr/Sa and via Vallorbe/Frasne on Sa/Su and Su/Mo, but there are sometimes exceptions to that rule. The Thello page does not give details on the particular route, the SNCF page does (for ex. https://www.sncf.com/fr/itineraire-reservation/recherche-numero-train/details-train/220?date=22%2F06%2F2019&codeCirculation=OCEBD000220F01001&codeZoneArret=OCE83025932).

Yesterday, the Mont-Cenis line was interrupted by a mudflow as a result of violent storms between St-Michel-de-Maurienne and Modane and will remain closed for several weeks. Yesterday night's EN 221 ended its run at Dijon. Thello has announced that it is looking for alternatives, which could include operating nightly via Vallorbe, while SNCF is looking at operating its TGVs either via Vallorbe or Ventimiglia.

Rgds, Thomas.

phat2004uk
 

This is the Paris - Venice sleeper

StuartSmith
 

Currently SBB, but likely to be going over to BLS in the near future.

(From a source in Switzerland 🇨🇭 last week).

Guerbetaler
 

Am 03.07.2019 um 07:00 schrieb StuartSmith via Groups.Io:
Currently SBB, but likely to be going over to BLS in the near future.
You are speaking about the role as RU in Switzerland, aren't you?

There is still another BLS involvement:

The Thello night trains always travel via Lötschberg when Vevey - Visp is closed for any reason. It has even happened that the train passed in front of our house, when also the Aaretal line (Bern - Thun) was closed. This was around 2 o'clock in the night.

Markus, Gürbetal (BLS)

Thomas
 

At https://www.thello.com/en/paris-venice/traffic-information/ Thello informs that the weekend trains via Vallorbe will operate as scheduled. Bus substitution services between Paris, Dijon and Milano have been put in place for tonight and Monday night's services via Modane. Thello is still looking at alternatives for departures from July 9.

Rgds, Thomas.