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Re: SBB Cargo locos

csipromo
 

Martin (Baumann),

SBB Cargo has something like 80 Re 620 and probably around 150-200 Re 420/430.
I know that the Re 420/430 are the oldest running in the fleet, with the Re 620 a few years younger than the oldest, but it does not seem to me that 20 additional loks, even with the option for an additional 20, will replace 230-280 loks, especially when you consider that SBBCI wants this new equipment to increase it's capacity in NL and perhaps BE as well as on the north-south axis.
If SBBCI eventually got hold of the Re 460 fleet, that would go a long way towards filling the numbers of the older fleet as they are retired.
What the Vectron allows SBBCI to do is to operate a train along the entire route from the Channel or North Sea port to destination in Italy, eliminating the need for locomotive change along the way.

The other things that I am wondering about is when do the leases for the ES64F4 (MRCE) and Vectron (ELL) terminate?
I have also noted that the last three or four deals have all been with Siemens. Has the SBB decided that Bombardier products no longer meet their criteria?
There was a period after the RABe514 where it seemed that the SBB was sour on Siemens, but the experience with the EuroSprinter seems to have repaired that.
Has the SBB evaluated the 187/188 and was there a determination that Bombardier was not competitive for their needs?

Regards

Mike C

Re: SBB Cargo locos

Martin Baumann
 

The CEO of Cargo International says the new Vectrons "are almost completely replacing our old Re 620 and Re 420 fleet".

In addition to the 20 announced yesterday there is an option for 20 more

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Chris Wood
 

Thomas writes:

http://www.gleisplanweb.eu/Maps/Zuerich.pdf has an excellent track map of the Zurich tram network, which doesn't include the annoying bus lines. It was last updated 12.2017.
They also have an interactive viewer (at http://www.gleisplanweb.eu/Viewer-e.php?Map=Zuerich&Index=1) that I find easier and faster to navigate around online.

OpenStreetMap are also pretty good for track diagrams, although they seem to have rather jumped the gun on the Limmatalbahn, showing the whole thing as far as Schlieren as complete.

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Thomas
 

http://www.gleisplanweb.eu/Maps/Zuerich.pdf has an excellent track map of the Zurich tram network, which doesn't include the annoying bus lines. It was last updated 12.2017.

Rgds, Thomas.

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

csipromo
 

I went through my notes and I must apologize. The Bombardier units were the Domino NPZ set from Olten to Sursee and the BLS unit from Luzern to Bern. From Bern, I then rode to Interlaken and then on to Meiringen and back to Brienz. The ZB trains (SPATZ and Adler) were both Stadler products. I had not written down on my smartphone the details of the Luzern to Bern section and had only noted that in the messages that I sent myself by email every evening.

Regards

Mike C

Re: Border crossing

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2019 um 19:24 schrieb stephenhorobin via Groups.Io:
The reason is some places retain their German names is that are or
were in the Department of Alsace which historically is a Germanic
region with its own recognised dialect.
However, France has for a long time avoided that schooling was in German. They sent their teachers, policemen, railwaymen, officers etc., which mostly didn't understand German. Thus, much of the original language tradition has gone. And all important names were "frenchized". Strassburg became Strasbourg and Mülhausen is now Mulhouse.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Guerbetaler
 

Before opening of the Limmattalbahn, the only trams leaving Zürich are the Glattalbahn lines 10, 11 and 12. Unfortunately line 12 comes in a colour near the bus lines and isn't easy to detect. But in the zone map you can see (dashed line) that it is all within zone 121. Zürich zone 110 counts twice, so to cover all tram lines you need a three zone ticket 110/121.

If you count Forchbahn S18 as a tram, then you have to add 140, 130 and 142, so a six zone ticket.

Am 22.07.2019 um 23:01 schrieb Keith Hookham:
And on that matter I have also tried to work out the best day ticket
to get after 0900 would be this one?
<https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards-and-tickets/tickets/9-oclock-daypass.html>??
valid for all zones after 9 o'clock (weekends all day) CHF 26.00

Or would it be better to get a
<https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards-and-tickets/tickets/daypass.html>
and if so would it just be a 3 zones ticket to cover the trams? Must
admit that due not being able to find a brilliant map for the trams
then finding the ZVV site is not brilliant for me.
3 zones 24 hours CHF 13.60
6 zones 24 hours CHF 26.00

If you can travel half fare, then it's 50% of the above prices.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

csipromo
 

I found a complete network map of tram, bus and ZVV network on the zvv.ch website.
I also picked up a printed edition of the map at the information booth at Zurich HB when I arrived there.

I was travelling on the Swiss Rail Pass and it covered unlimited travel on the ZVV network during the period of validity.
Swiss Rail Pass also covered SZU, SBB and SOB, BLS, etc...

https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/de/fahrplan/liniennetz.html
https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/de/abos-und-tickets/zonen.html
https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/timetable/network-maps.html

Passes: https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/de/abos-und-tickets/abos.html

Regards

Mike C

Re: SBB Cargo locos

csipromo
 

Hopefully one of the new Vectrons will mean the return of the Nightpiercer, as that was a striking livery.
I guess that these will replace a number of older loks. Will it be the Re 4/4II/III (420/421/430)and Re 6/6 (620) or will it be that the comparatively slower (although newer) Re 482 will be sold off? I could see the 482 being sold to German or Austrian operators who are looking for machines for Austria, Germany and Switzerland only.

Regards

Mike C

Zurich Tram network & ticket

Keith Hookham
 

So I have been looking for a good up to date map of the Zurich Tram network and must admit the only one I could find of any use was this one. http://www.mappery.com/Zurich-Tram-Map but it says it was from 2009!!!!
So obviously it is a bit out of date. Any information as to where I could find a decent map would be great.

And on that matter I have also tried to work out the best day ticket to get after 0900 would be this one? https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards-and-tickets/tickets/9-oclock-daypass.html?? Or would it be better to get a https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards-and-tickets/tickets/daypass.html and if so would it just be a 3 zones ticket to cover the trams? Must admit that due not being able to find a brilliant map for the trams then finding the ZVV site is not brilliant for me.
Many thanks for any help.
Cheers K

Re: SBB Cargo locos

Martin Baumann
 

SBB Cargo International will be acquiring another 20 Vectron that will be leased from SüdLeasing. They are expected from the end of this year to mid 2020. They will be passed for Holland Germany Austria and Italy in addition to Switzerland.

(railcolor.net)

Re: Westbahn KISS

Max Wyss
 

One point mentioned in the article in Railway Gazette International is that
Westbahn, not being a public entity, can shorten the procurement process,
whereas it would have taken way too long for DB to procure new rolling
stock. Getting the well-maintained Westbahn trains is a boon for DB, as
well as for Westbahn. And they say that they did get a good deal with
Stadler…



Re: Westbahn KISS

Martin Baumann
 

12 car trains operated Wien Westbahnhof-Salzburg in the past at peak times such as Friday afternoon but I don't think they have operated 2 sets together since the Praterstern-Meidling-Salzburg route started. (This will be suspended for two years from Decemeber 2019)

Re: Border crossing

stephenhorobin
 

The reason is some places retain their German names is that are or were in the Department of Alsace which historically is a Germanic region with its own recognised dialect.
Also of interest in this area of Switzerland is how other cantons have an enclave in other cantons. It must be a very difficult region to administrate and deal with officialdom!

Re: Westbahn KISS

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2019 um 18:22 schrieb Martin Baumann:
After the rumours about buying Chinese equipment it has now been
announced that Westbahn have ordered 15 6 car KISS units from
Stadler.
Some more details from local (Swiss) newspapers and local (Westbahn) sightings:

I haven't seen more than one EMU in a train until now but some trains are made up of only one four car unit. Patronage seems to be good. Nevertheless the main owner of Westbahn said that he has lost EUR 80m until now. But he will continue.

Due to the currently very low capital costs, Westbahn put a bid for 15 6-car double deckers with 5 different manufacturers. It seems that they can reduce their annual costs with this deal.

On the other hand, DB is glad to have trains that really run and will use them instead of ... Bombardier double deckers! in Brandenburg, Sachsen and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (East Germany). DB says that these trainsets reached the highest customer satisfaction.

Rumors say that Peter Spuhler was VERY active behind the scene.

Another rumor has it that CRRC wouldn't have been able to buy an ETCS-equipment from any European manufacturer for these trains, thus approval would have become very difficult.

CRRC ante portas. But not yet in...

Markus, Gürbetal (currently Gmunden)

Re: Westbahn KISS, was: Serious Austrian accident: Concern about Stadler KISS crashworthyness

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

After the rumours about buying Chinese equipment it has now been announced that Westbahn have ordered 15 6 car KISS units from Stadler.

They have agreed the sale of all their existing trains to DB. 9 units will transfer in December this year meaning Westbahn will reduce their service between Vienna and Salzburg to hourly and only run from Westbahnhof until the new units are in service in 2021.

Although 4110.010 was repaired some time ago. It has remained stored in Switzerland and my now go direct to DB

Re: German Catenary and Signalling in Basle

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2019 um 16:36 schrieb Andrew Moglestue via Groups.Io:
I believe the original Badischer Bahnhof, before the connecting line
was built, was located on the site of the present Messe.
This is partly correct. Yes it was on the site of the present Messe, but
it was also after the connecting line was built. Relocation was only in
1913.

<https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.swissimage&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen,ch.bfs.gebaeude_wohnungs_register,ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege&layers_visibility=true,false,false,false&layers_timestamp=19121231,,,&E=2612743.85&N=1268475.05&zoom=7>

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Border crossing

Clive Dean
 

Strangely Marcus I was looking at that tramway only this morning at how it
crosses a small part of France. Interesting to see that lots of place names
and features retain their former German names
K

Re: German Catenary and Signalling in Basle

Clive Dean
 

Thank you for further very comprehensive reply Marcus. All very
interestingly. Also your comments on other border crossings.

Re: German Catenary and Signalling in Basle

Andrew Moglestue
 

I believe the original Badischer Bahnhof, before the connecting line was built, was located on the site of the present Messe.