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Appenzeller Bahnen vehicles sold

Toma Bacic
 

Appenzeller Bahnen sold following vehicles to African company STIB SA (La
société de transport ivoiro-burkinabe).

The vehicles are:
- BDe 4/4 41 - 43
- ABt 141 - 143
- B 236 bis 238
- B 241 bis 246

On August 6, B 245 departed from Gais to the workshops in Lorraine where
will receive overhaul.

regards
toma


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Re: SOB Traction (Re 446, Re 456, RBDe 561)

csipromo
 

Thanks for the update. It will be interesting to see where this equipment ends up.

Regards

Mike C

Re: SOB Traction (Re 446, Re 456, RBDe 561)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 07.08.2019 um 03:08 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
Will the Re 456 be used for other operations or will they be sold. I
recall they were listed in the offerings posted by SOB and SBB. I
don't recall the RBDe 561 being on those lists, so I presume that
they may still see operation on the SOB network.
The Re 456 are for sale. And you can also buy the Revvivos.

The RBDe 561 and their ABt were said to replace the remaining RBDe 566. However, the lack of low floor would limit their use to 2023, due to the people with disabilities act.

Markus, Gürbetal

SOB Traction (Re 446, Re 456, RBDe 561)

csipromo
 

I know that the SOB Re 446 have been sold to EDG (Eisenbahndienstleister GmbH). As soon as the new Stadler Trainsets enter into official service, the Re 446 will be taken out of operation and prepared for the new owners. I presume that the VAE consists with Re 456 and RBDe 561 will be the final ones in use as the Stadler trains take over.

What will SOB do with the Re 456 and RBDe 561 once the Stadler trains are all in operation?
Will the Re 456 be used for other operations or will they be sold. I recall they were listed in the offerings posted by SOB and SBB.
I don't recall the RBDe 561 being on those lists, so I presume that they may still see operation on the SOB network.

Regards

Mike C

Re: 11601 and 11602

csipromo
 

I wonder if they intend to operate both or whether they will operate one and the second one will be a rolling parts supply?

Regards

Mike C

SBB 03/08/2019

Keith Hookham
 

Today’s Gotthard Panoramic Express was worked by 11198.
Also today was the Erlebnis Nordrampe as it was the first Saturday of the month. See more information here if you are not aware of it. https://www.sbbhistoric.ch/assets/uploads/files/events-fahrten/erlebnisfahrten/2019-0225_fl_Erlebnis-Nordrampe-V10_rl.pdf
It was booked to be worked by RE 4/4 I 10001 but due to an electrical fault it is currently out of traffic. Today therefore it was replaced by 11411.

Cheers Keith.

11601 and 11602

Martin Baumann
 

Both prototype Re 6/6 have been bought by Swisstrain and are now shown as owned by them at

https://rollingstockregister.ch/ (CH-SWTR)

The sale was concluded on 16.04.2019 but has only just become known

Re: zb loco-hauled Extrazüge?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 27.07.2019 um 11:46 schrieb Thomas:
Recently I've seen them operating with an HGe 101 (Meiringen side) +
ABt 926 + B 549 + ABt 943 (articulated).
Today the train (16:15 dp Interlaken) was running, the consist was:
HGe 101 962 - ABt 926 - B 549 - ABt8 942
and all cars were reserved for groups.

It ran behind the ordinary train (16:04 dp Interlaken), which was made up of one ADLER and one FINK, a total 10 elements.

And yes, I saw a SPATZ doing the Regio.

Markus, Gürbetal

11628

Martin Baumann
 

11628 worked EC 164 Buchs to Zürich on Saturday due to an Re 4/4 II failure. 11628 then worked EN 465 back to Buchs

Re: zb loco-hauled Extrazüge?

Guerbetaler
 

Am 27.07.2019 um 11:46 schrieb Thomas:
Do the following Extrazüge run daily or only Monday-Friday and during
which period(s) of the year?
They run for groups, so it depends how many groups want to be transported. AFAIK they may run only in the Summer months, but any day.

Markus

zb loco-hauled Extrazüge?

Thomas
 

Do the following Extrazüge run daily or only Monday-Friday and during which period(s) of the year?

2218 Y Luzern 08.55 - Interlaken Ost 10.41
2223 Y Interlaken Ost 11.15 - Luzern 13.05
2228 Y Luzern 13.55 - Interlaken Ost 15.41
2233 Y Interlaken Ost 16.15 - Luzern 18.05

Recently I've seen them operating with an HGe 101 (Meiringen side) + ABt 926 + B 549 + ABt 943 (articulated).

Rgds, Thomas.

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Andrew Moglestue
 

Markus, thank you for your anecdote about Sweden . Sometimes I am grateful that I’m Switzerland cash is still pretty much universally accepted.

Sometimes when I travel a lot my bank or credit card provider thinks that it is suspicious that I am using the card in so many places and will block or restrict payments . Sometimes if the card fails to work three times in a row all it takes is a phone call and all is fine .

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Keith Hookham
 

Brilliant Martin. Just what I wanted. I was not aware of that. So many
thanks for your help.

Cheers Keith


On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 21:50, Martin Baumann <martin98baumann@...>
wrote:

If you have the SBB app on your phone you don't need a ZVV account. If you
put, for example, Zürich to Rapperswil return in then it will sell you an
all zone pass 24 hrs.

By putting in something like Zürich HB to Klusplatz return then you will
be sold a 24 hour pass for the Zürich city area only



Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Martin Baumann
 

If you have the SBB app on your phone you don't need a ZVV account. If you put, for example, Zürich to Rapperswil return in then it will sell you an all zone pass 24 hrs.

By putting in something like Zürich HB to Klusplatz return then you will be sold a 24 hour pass for the Zürich city area only

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Guerbetaler
 

Gentlemen, I'm sorry but I can't help you with Swiss Pass, ZVV accounts etc, because I'm travelling with a Generalabonnement...

But a little story from Sweden, where you can't buy an ice-cream without a card (no coins accepted) may help:

Last year we were in Stockholm and my wife wanted to buy an ice-cream. She wanted to pay with her Mastercard, but the card wasn't accepted. Then she tried with her Maestro card, with the same result. She didn't get an ice-cream.

Paying with any of the two cards in other shops - even for ice-creams - worked without problems. We still don't know what had caused the problem. But it's even possible that a bad internet connection of the card terminal lead to a timeout which resulted in a denial.

So, what to learn? Just try again. :-)

Markus, Gürbetal, currently Gmunden (where I bought an OÖVV ticket at the ticket vending machine, which is installed in a tram car, with my Mastercard)

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Keith Hookham
 

Think people are not reading the thread. It is not the credit card that is
the problem.

Cheers Keith


On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 at 20:16, glyn.jones via Groups.Io <glyn.jones=
btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

In my case the card was authorised by my Visa card provider. We traced the
transaction through and it was rejected before it got to my card provider.
This happened to two different Visa Card providers but no problem when I
used a MasterCard.

Glyn



Re: SBB Cargo locos

Ewan Tait
 

On 23 Jul 2019, at 21:48, Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@...> wrote:
But I don't know the contracts between these companies and they aren't public.
SBB Cargo Deutschland and SBB Cargo Italia are both subsidiaries of SBB Cargo International, with SBB Cargo International owned by SBB Cargo (75%) and HUPAC (25%).

Cheers,
Ewan

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Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

glyn.jones
 

In my case the card was authorised by my Visa card provider. We traced the
transaction through and it was rejected before it got to my card provider.
This happened to two different Visa Card providers but no problem when I
used a MasterCard.

Glyn

Re: SBB Cargo locos

Guerbetaler
 

To add some confusion to the question, I will give you some facts. I don't know how these facts will influence trains and traction.

- Gradients within Switzerland are partly steeper than in Germany and Italy, thus not every train that can be hauled by single locomotive in the neighbouring countries can do so in Switzerland.

- Maximum train length within Switzerland was increased to 750 m and trains of more than 500 m will get a discount on the track access fee when crossing Switzerland. Two trains arriving in Chiasso would have to go South as three trains.

- Trains crossing Switzerland with two locmotives get a discount on the track access fee, because their acceleration is better, which reduces the time a train blocks a block.

- Trains over the Ceneri can not normally go with one single locomotive.

Now you can speculate about the consequences. And I'm sure the railway undertakings will not do what you think ... :-P

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: SBB Cargo locos

Ewan Tait
 

On 25 Jul 2019, at 00:30, gordonwis via Groups.Io <gordonwis=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Mike,

As I understand it Re10/10 still take over some trans-European freight trains at Muttenz from other traction, and potentially then give way at Bellinzona to, say, a 474 - these would be the main Re6/6 and Re4/4 under direct threat from new Vectrons, as Re's get replaced by locos that can haul a pan European train from eg Zeebrugge - Milano. Even a die hard enthusiast can perhaps see the 'finance department's' point in this instance - a single 'unit' (be it a single loco or a pair) can replace three separate units.
Replacing the NL/D, CH and I locos with a single NL/D/CH/I loco won’t necessarily save you three locos. The NL/D loco would not wait for the train to go all the way to Milan and back before its next working; it would pick up a northbound train at Basel SBB RB shortly after arriving. That’s not to say that there isn’t a saving, as clearly there is. Using a single multi-system loco removes the need for loco-changes at Basel SBB and Chiasso/Bellinzona/Domo, reducing journey times, reducing the staff resource and make the loco usage more efficient.

One thing that I noted in 2017, the summer after the GBT opened, was that SBBC Int trains via Luino that I saw on the Gotthard route were often hauled by a single Re 474 south of Basel, whereas previously the Re 474 would have been unlikely to work north of Bellinzona due to the need for two of them. With the opening of the Ceneri Base Tunnel, then there won’t be any requirement to double-head on the Gotthard axis. Does anyone know what currently happens with SBBC Int trains via Chiasso? Are they using single Vectrons over the Ceneri? Do they have Vectrons in Ticino that are used to double-head the trains over the mountain? Are they swapping to Re 10/10s at Bellinzona? Do they double-head Vectrons all the way from Basel to Chiasso?

It’s also worth noting that SBBC Int trains via the Lötschberg are normally double-headed south of Basel (I’m not sure if the second loco comes off at Brig or Domo), presumably to allow for the fact that the train may go via the Lötschberg Summit Tunnel. BLS on the other hand have plenty of locos on hand at Spiez and Brig so that they can easily add a second loco if the train has to go over the top.

With the CBT opening, will there be more capacity on the Gotthard axis, or are there still constraints in Italy that will limit the number of trains? With no need for double-heading on the Gotthard axis, it will be a far more attractive route until the Lötschberg Base Tunnel is completed.

Regards,
Ewan


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