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Re: 11166 and 11231 Final Journey

Martin Baumann
 
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I suggest it is either 05-10 019 and/or 028 (looks like two SBB coaches next to the Railalpin coach but I may be mistaken)

I list 05-10 017 to 024 plus 027 and 028 as still operating but 019 and 028 are now missing from the NVR with all others present

(https://rollingstockregister.ch/)

Re: 11166 and 11231 Final Journey

Guerbetaler
 

Am 14.09.2019 um 08:32 schrieb Thomas:
Looks like a Ralpin Begleitewagen.
The non-air-conditioned ones (51 85 05-10 017...027) should be replaced with MU sleeping cars, if I'm not mistaken.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: 11166 and 11231 Final Journey

Thomas
 

Looks like a Ralpin Begleitewagen.

Rgds, Thomas.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 01:57 AM, Rob V

Are the coaches on the left of the image also awaiting scrapping? I'd be
interested to know their identities.

Cheers,
--
Rob

Re: 11166 and 11231 Final Journey

Rob V
 

On 13/09/2019 07:08, David Prior via Groups.Io wrote:

Heavily stripped, these Loks are parked at Kaiseraugst this morning for scrapping at Thommen. Visible from station, main line and road.
BTW 11456 is still visible from the line further east outside Thommen.
Are the coaches on the left of the image also awaiting scrapping? I'd be interested to know their identities.

Cheers,
--
Rob

11166 and 11231 Final Journey

David Prior
 

Heavily stripped, these Loks are parked at Kaiseraugst this morning for scrapping at Thommen. Visible from station, main line and road.
BTW 11456 is still visible from the line further east outside Thommen.

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 12.09.2019 um 19:46 schrieb Chris Wood via Groups.Io:
But either way, what is the history of this extra depot.
GGB's search for additional track length where emus can be stored protected from snow and ice.
Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

Chris Wood
 

Thomas writes:

That is a depot for storing rolling stock (Depot Stollen), there's nothing mysterious about it.
Derek writes:

GGB depot!
Except that there is a perfectly good and still used depot at the end of the GGB station. Whilst OpenStreetMap shows the tunnel entrance leading to a twin track tunnel running about 250m into the hillside, which doesn't strike me as a desperately practical depot layout. Of course, OpenStreetMap could be wrong. But either way, what is the history of this extra depot.

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

Derek Higham
 

On Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 11:36 AM, Chris Wood via Groups.Io <chris_j_wood=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Whilst on the subject of mysterious railway tunnels, what is the tunnel that leads off the the left hand side of the Gornergratbahn in Zermatt just after passing over the river. Is that also some secretive military feature, or something more mundane.
GGB depot!

Re: ZVV new S20 services with Lion

Martin Baumann
 

According to BAHNFORUM the Aarau diagrams have now reverted to 420 Lion but the majority of S20 are now 450 with the occasional 511 EMU

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

Thomas
 

That is a depot for storing rolling stock (Depot Stollen), there's nothing mysterious about it.

Rgds, Thomas.

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

Chris Wood
 

Whilst on the subject of mysterious railway tunnels, what is the tunnel that leads off the the left hand side of the Gornergratbahn in Zermatt just after passing over the river. Is that also some secretive military feature, or something more mundane.

Re: Appenzeller Bahnen vehicles sold

Thomas
 

Sorry Martin, I never replied you on this one.

The world speed record on meter gauge was reached by a Régie Abidjan-Niger (RAN) ZE 200 on 26.11.1976 on the realigned line between Dimbokro and Bouaké at 160 km/h, well above what RhB claims it to be.

On 1067mm, the record lies in South Africa, with SAR 6E1 E1525 on 31.10.1978 between Westonaria and Midway at 245 km/h.

RhB (and MGB) have some dubious claims, they also claim to operate the slowest express train in the World, however the 'Express International' between Abidjan and Ouagadougou nowadays (this wasn't always the case) operates at speeds below those of the Glacier Express (36 hours to cover 1145 km).

Rgds, Thomas.

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

Jonathan Marten
 

Thanks for all the responses. Obviously a military facility, then,
although looking at its state it seems unlikely to be in current use.
Yes, I knew about the similar tracks and doors near Brienzwiler, but
have not visited that on the ground.

--
Jonathan Marten http://www.keelhaul.me.uk
Twickenham, UK jjm2@...

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

Guerbetaler
 

Am 08.09.2019 um 15:05 schrieb Chris Wood via Groups.Io:
I think that it is probably not a coincidence that both these two
tunnel sidings (at Sarnen and Brienzwiler) are close to current or
former Swiss Air Force bases. Probably serving munition stores.
My dear, you are moving deeply into speculations. Have you served in the Swiss Army? Have you read books about the role of railways for the Swiss Army? There are such sidings far off airfields like the one at Steinerberg on SOB.

<https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.swissimage&E=2686183&N=1212137&zoom=12&crosshair=marker>

And don't forget that the Brünig line is in the area of the "Réduit". All logistic functions necessary for an army were available at underground places within the "Réduit".

As for Hawker Hunters, certainly underground bunkers were used for
the storage and servicing of these and other aircraft. See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_cavern
But these bunkers were and are in places that can be reached from the airfields without crossing rivers or railways. In Brienzwiler you can easily detect where the place is, South of the airfield.

The site connected to the Brünig line had another function. The special thing here is, that it was a drive-through facility, as can be seen from the maps. S&W showed a later state where the Eastern point was gone.

You might go back in time looking at the maps. You will see that the airfield wasn't shown on the map even in 1990.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

Chris Wood
 

I think that it is probably not a coincidence that both these two tunnel sidings (at Sarnen and Brienzwiler) are close to current or former Swiss Air Force bases. Probably serving munition stores.

As for Hawker Hunters, certainly underground bunkers were used for the storage and servicing of these and other aircraft. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_cavern

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

gordonwis
 

Look carefully - you'll see similar tracks and doors in various places around Switzerland...

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

StuartSmith
 

The line is clearly shown in the S&W atlas at Kerns-Kägiswil.

Re: Zürich Tram line 2

Martin Baumann
 

Anyone wishing to travel on the extension should note that after the Micafil stop the line is outside central zone 110 and a ticket valid in zone 154 will be required

Re: Zentralbahn spur and tunnel near Sarnen

Barry Emmott <barry.emmott@...>
 

I’m a member of Swiss Railways Society and nearly 20 years ago spotted the Brienzwiler item during a trip on what was then still the Brünig Line, from Meiringen to Interlaken. I asked a senior member of the Society, who has Swiss ancestry, what was inside the doors. He replied “Hawker Hunters” which, considering the close proximity of the airfield, seemed quite reasonable. I have photos of the cliff-face, showing the line and the doors, taken from the train so not pin-sharp !! Baz

Re: SBB Cargo Changes

Guerbetaler
 

Am 07.09.2019 um 21:29 schrieb John Beaulieu:
So these locomotives have the ability to convert variable frequency
AC as generated by the traction motors to 16.7 Hz AC to be fed back
into the contact line? Otherwise they would be limited to one speed
in regenerative braking as the AC frequency generated by the motors
would depend on their rotational speed and the number of poles.
Aren't you thinking of three-phase motors?

Already the Crocodiles Ce 6/8" (1920-22) came with a regenerative brake which was designed by Behn-Eschenburg. I can't explain you in detail how it works. But basically you need an excitation with 16.7 Hz from the transformer/overhead line.

Markus, Gürbetal