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Re: Zentralbahn Hergiswil double track

Guerbetaler
 

Am 19.11.2019 um 10:18 schrieb Paul Griffin:
Can anyone point me to a map showing the course of the Hergiswil
deviation?
Deviation is the wrong word. It's a doubling of the existing track. Double track ended at the exit of the tunnel from Horw and is now continued into Hergiswil Matt.

<https://map.geo.admin.ch/mobile.html?topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.pixelkarte-farbe&lang=en&E=2666430&N=1205321&zoom=10&crosshair=marker>

Between Luzern buffer stop and Hergiswil two bits are still single:

short bit within Luzern station: this will be doubled at quite high costs within the next years

Hergiswil Matt - Hergiswil: probably a tunnel is needed. Might be realized in the 2030ies...

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Timetable 2020

David Prior
 

Pardon my ignorance, but does anyone know what trains 3084-3087 are ?

Shown as Luzern-Meiringen-Interlaken Ost, stock GSW is the same as the Luzern-Engelberg route description, so I’m assuming they are ZB loco-hauled services ??

David

Re: Zentralbahn Hergiswil double track

Paul Griffin
 

Can anyone point me to a map showing the course of the Hergiswil deviation?

Paul Griffin

Re: Zentralbahn Hergiswil double track

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.11.2019 um 23:21 schrieb Martin Baumann:
The Hergiswil deviation opened today 18.11.2019 after a line closure
between Luzern Allmend and Alpnachstad that started on 28.10.
This is the last bit of a Luzern - Hergiswil improvement plan that had been taken into the list of urgent projects for suburban traffic by the national parliament in 2006. Most of the project was terminated by 2012, when the Allmend tunnel opened. But the bit in Hergiswil was delayed by lengthy discussions about possible alternatives, which finally proved too expensive but then again led to a better project in terms of noise protection and protection against flood. Now finally, after 13 years, it's there.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Zentralbahn Hergiswil double track

Martin Baumann
 

The Hergiswil deviation opened today 18.11.2019 after a line closure between Luzern Allmend and Alpnachstad that started on 28.10. A helicopter was used to install the masts for the overhead wires

Re: Timetable 2020

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.11.2019 um 00:45 schrieb gordonwis via Groups.Io:
I think you may have misunderstood, I was referring specifically to
the 2019 Zugsgattungslist
Yes, I misunderstood. The Zugsgattungslist is part of the PDF
"Die ganze Welt des öffentlichen Verkehrs"
but isn't available in English. Go to
<https://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/de/archiv/erklaerungen.html>

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Timetable 2020

gordonwis
 

On Sunday, 17 November 2019, 13:15:12 GMT, Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@...> wrote:
Am 17.11.2019 um 01:57 schrieb gordonwis via Groups.Io:
Help! Forgot to save the old 2019 version for comparison - and cant
see it now as it isn't in the 'archive' Is it retrievable anywhere?
It's there. Best is to take the zip here:
<https://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/en/gesamte-fahrplanpublikation.html>
I think you may have misunderstood, I was referring specifically to the 2019 Zugsgattungslist

Re: Withdrawal of ex BT NPZ

csipromo
 

It will be sad to see the last of the classic compositions go. When I lived in Wollerau when I was young, there would be a train with a BDe 4/4, either SOB or Bodensee Toggenburg, almost every hour, as trains rotated between the long runs to Arth Goldau and Luzern, the locals to Biberbrugg and Einsiedeln and the occasional SBB run on the same route.
The BT RBDe 4/4 were introduced a decade after I returned to Canada. I did ride on one in 1985, when I was back in Switzerland on vacation. It was not until 1998 that I got to ride on one of the SOB's NPZ own trainsets. I remember reading about an announced model from SMF in 1985. I did not know until much later that a model had later been released by Ferro-Suisse. In any case, the model was DC and I am running AC. I did pick up two of the SOB NPZ sets from Liliput.
I guess it would have been nice if DSF could have got it's hands on both of the remaining units and kept one for spares to support the other and the ex-TRN unit.

I have fond memories of the green BT trainset framed by the roof of the St. Gallen Bahnhof with it's large Maestrani sign.
At least we will still have the chocolate... I won't be in Switzerland to take this final ride.

Regards

Mike C

Re: Withdrawal of ex BT NPZ

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

72 and 75 are both now stored serviceable 72 will be used for the special train already mentioned and will then be used for spare parts by DSF at Koblenz for ex TRN 567 184

Re: Accident in RBL

Martin Baumann
 

11657 is back in service

Re: Timetable 2020

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.11.2019 um 14:44 schrieb Toma Bacic:
And also, where are the graphic timetables?
Those that have been delivered are at the usual site. However, only ASM1, ASM2, BOB, MOB and MVR are already there. The rest will eventually arrive.

<https://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/en/archives/graphic-timetables.html>

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Timetable 2020

Toma Bacic
 

And also, where are the graphic timetables?

Thnx and regards
toma

Re: Timetable 2020

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.11.2019 um 14:56 schrieb Martin Baumann:
I don't know what KUB means either but those trains are operated by
SBB and will be worked by 511 units. Outward train splits at Martigny
with one unit going to Brig the return train joins with a regular RE
service at Vevey. A new crossover has just been commisioned at
Martigny which allows direct access to and from the MO line and the
new Le Chable station is capable of holding full length mainline
trains
Obviously SBB didn't want to do the coupling in Martigny on the way back. So the RE runs behind the normal RA train and produces a later arrival in Vevey, Lausanne and Genève than with the daily connection with IR90. As this IR90 is occupying track 1, the RE from Le Châble starts later so as not to arrive in Martigny until track 1 is free.

daily through
1646 1655 Le Châble dep.
1655 1705 Sembrancher dep.
1711 1720 Martigny arr.
1716 1722 Martigny dep. track 1
1754 1758 Vevey arr.
1755 1803 Vevey dep
1810 1818 Lausanne arr.
1850 1910 Genève arr.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Timetable 2020

Martin Baumann
 

I don't know what KUB means either but those trains are operated by SBB and will be worked by 511 units. Outward train splits at Martigny with one unit going to Brig the return train joins with a regular RE service at Vevey. A new crossover has just been commisioned at Martigny which allows direct access to and from the MO line and the new Le Chable station is capable of holding full length mainline trains

Re: Timetable 2020

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.11.2019 um 03:20 schrieb gordonwis via Groups.Io:
The operator is shown at the top of each train column, but there is
one labelled 'KUB' and I can't see a decode anywhere. In fact it is a
most interesting train, shown as running through from Genève to Le
Chable, which I've not seen ever before.
The train Genève-Aéroport - Le Châble is IR 1745 that runs coupled with IR 1711 to Martigny. Return is RE 18496, called RE 18460 from Vevey, where it runs daily. It's not correct everywhere but 1711, 1745, 18460 and 18496 are always attributed to "CFF".

Where did you find that "KUB"? I can't see it.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Timetable 2020

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.11.2019 um 01:57 schrieb gordonwis via Groups.Io:
Help! Forgot to save the old 2019 version for comparison - and cant
see it now as it isn't in the 'archive' Is it retrievable anywhere?
It's there. Best is to take the zip here:
<https://www.fahrplanfelder.ch/en/gesamte-fahrplanpublikation.html>

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Timetable 2020

gordonwis
 

The new style will take a bit of getting used to!
Also some things are not decoded.

The operator is shown at the top of each train column, but there is one labelled 'KUB' and I can't see a decode anywhere.
In fact it is a most interesting train, shown as running through from Genève to Le Chable, which I've not seen ever before.

Re: Timetable 2020

gordonwis
 

Help! Forgot to save the old 2019 version for comparison - and cant see it now as it isn't in the 'archive' Is it retrievable anywhere?

Re: RhB Winter loco diagrams published

daigog218
 
Edited

The weekend Arosa loco hauled turns are back until 8th March. Two return trips on a Saturday and one on a Sunday, both days booked for a Ge4/4 II (611).

Re: Timetable 2020

Paul Burkhalter
 

Thank you Martin.
The new style will take a bit of getting used to!