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Re: P/400 & C400 Cauge Clearances along the Lötschberg Rout

John Beaulieu
 

In other words: If this clearance wouldn't have been available (before
opening of the LBT), where would such transports have gone through?

Markus, Gürbetal

These Trailers and Containers were traveling over the Highways because the
Railways could not handle them when they were first introduced. They are a
fairly recent development. Their development was in answer to Highway
hauliers
need for more cubic capacity in trailers. According to this diagram;

file:///C:/Users/Owner/Downloads/INTERUNIT-map2013%20(1).pdf

I was aware that there had been tunnel enlargement to handle the IC2000
passenger
carriages, but I was not sure if this was enough to also provide clearance
to the larger
trailers and containers. According to the diagram in the Eisenbahn Atlas
Schwiez only
one track may be used between Iselle and Preglia in Italy, although both
may be used
in the Simplon Tunnel. My guess would be that the tight curvature inside
the Varso Spiral
Tunnel is the culprit.

For Mike, the term "SIM" is to help Signallers keep track of those
Intermodal trains that
require running on specific tracks between Domodossola and Fruitigen, not
all Intermodal
trains handle these taller trailers and containers. Even the same train
schedule may not
have high trailers on some days, and since it requires special handling
when they do require
it, they receive a special code.

John Beaulieu

On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:20 PM Ewan Tait <ewan@...> wrote:

KLV and UKV refer to combined and unaccompanied container trains. SIM
refers to the loading gauge of specific trains.

https://www.bahnforum.ch/lexicon/index.php/Entry/90-Sim/

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On 9 Oct 2019, at 20:32, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have never heard the term SIM for trains. The terms used are KLV and UKV
and the route is usually referred to as the Loetschberg route.



Re: P/400 & C400 Cauge Clearances along the Lötschberg Rout

Ewan Tait
 

KLV and UKV refer to combined and unaccompanied container trains. SIM
refers to the loading gauge of specific trains.

https://www.bahnforum.ch/lexicon/index.php/Entry/90-Sim/

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On 9 Oct 2019, at 20:32, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=
yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have never heard the term SIM for trains. The terms used are KLV and UKV
and the route is usually referred to as the Loetschberg route.

Re: P/400 & C400 Cauge Clearances along the Lötschberg Rout

csipromo
 

Modifications were undertaken on assorted Swiss routes to permit the operation of the IC2000 double deck coaches as well as for new clearance requirements for modern container and trailer carrying cars. On the BLS route (Loetschberg), the modifications on some parts of the route were initially done on one of the two tracks only. I presume that this was because the clearances were not sufficient for modern traffic when the existing route was converted from a single line to a double track. The work consisted of lowering the floor of the tunnels and widening the tunnels in some cases to allow for the safe operation of modern traffic on that route.

I have never heard the term SIM for trains. The terms used are KLV and UKV and the route is usually referred to as the Loetschberg route.

Regards

Mike C

FO 1980 rolling stock

Guerbetaler
 

Does anybody have or know of photos of the original interior of the Furka-Oberalp SIG type 2 coaches? Especially the walls in first class are unknown. These were:
A 4063-66
ABt 4155-59
ABt 4195

I could find a photo that shows the colours of the seats (red in smoking, green in non-smoking) - from outside.
<http://www.railroadpictures.info/bilder/CH-/CH--FO/A/komprimiert/A-4065-1.jpg>

Also of interest would be if the seats were exactly the same in ABt 4155-59.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Guerbetaler
 

Am 09.10.2019 um 11:56 schrieb Chris Wood via Groups.Io:
Are the Mirages that were reintroduced recently still in service, and
if so how long are they expected to stay in use?. Is there any advice
on when and where best to find them?
One car was often seen on line 17 during evening peak hour. The second one seems to usually cover diagram 0811 that leaves from Oerlikon shed at 15:26 to start from Hardturm at 16:01 and 17:23 to Klusplatz and 18:41 to be back in Oerlikon at 19:07 (info from tram n° 138).

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: P/400 & C400 Cauge Clearances along the Lötschberg Rout

Guerbetaler
 

Am 09.10.2019 um 19:47 schrieb John Beaulieu:
I am curious as to why these clearances are available along this
corridor.
I do not really understand your question. Or you might also have asked, why a railway line over the Lötschberg is available.

In other words: If this clearance wouldn't have been available (before opening of the LBT), where would such transports have gone through?

Markus, Gürbetal

P/400 & C400 Cauge Clearances along the Lötschberg Rout

John Beaulieu
 

I am curious as to why these clearances are available along this corridor. Specifically why was it necessary to enlarge the clearances on the mountain route, yet all the tunnels between Fruitigen and Basel via the Hauenstein Base Tunnel are cleared on either track. For members who don't understand my question, I was watching a video on "Rail way Emotions" channel showing a Cab Ride on a SIM train (Simplon Inter-Modal) from Brig to Basel Muttenz Yard, via the Lötschberg mountain route. The changes of track from side to side at various locations where only one of the two tracks had the necessary clearance for trailers or containers with 4.0 meters of height at the outside corners. Within Switzerland only this route (and of course via the LBT) and the route from Kreuzlingen to St. Margarethen are cleared for Intermodal trains transporting equipment requiring this height. I think the route aloong the Bodensee lacks aany tunnels so it wasn't a problem. I also know that workk along the Gotthard route is also in progress to allow these to pass that way, although it is going to take some years to complete the work.

Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Chris Wood
 

Markus writes:

Meanwhile, and due to defects and collisions, VBZ must reduce the timetable of some lines. At the moment you might see single cars where double units should be available.
Thanks for the advice. Are the Mirages that were reintroduced recently still in service, and if so how long are they expected to stay in use?. Is there any advice on when and where best to find them?.

Re: 06.10.2019 special train with Ae 3/6 I 10664

gbgen <gbgen@...>
 

Due to last minute unavailability of 10664 the train was actually worked by Be 4/6 12320.

Railway historic staff records

Paul Burkhalter
 

Here’s a question that combines my two interests, Swiss railways and genealogy!
It is said that my great-grandfather worked for the railway at Le Bouveret VS. This would have been sometime between 1870 and his death in 1912. Would anyone be able to tell me if employment records survive from this period, and where? I have asked SBB Historic but they tell me they do not have staff records.
My French/German is not sufficient to look myself.
Many thanks.

Re: Neuchatel Littorail

Thomas
 

None of the new trains will be in service by Oct. 27.

Rgds, Thomas.

Re: Lake Geneva diagram query

Guerbetaler
 

Hello David
Thank you for your question!

Am 07.10.2019 um 20:20 schrieb Markus:
Am 07.10.2019 um 16:08 schrieb David Prior via Groups.Io:
I discovered today that SBB mobile timetable no longer shows the
return workings of IR1927/29/31 from Geneva Aeroport off the
following Re4/4 diagrams.
​1927 ​Genève-Aéroport – Sion​ 16.20 – 18.33
​1929​ Genève-Aéroport – St Maurice ​16.54 – 18.43
​1931 ​Genève-Aéroport – Sion ​17.20 – 19.33
fahrplanfelder.ch and reisezuege.ch still show them. The online
timetable says, they run 29 July - 4 October. I'm investigating which
info is correct.
These trains are now back in the online timetable, but since 7 October they only start from Genève Cornavin instead of Genève-Aéroport. Obviously somebody at SBB forgot to press the "publish" button when they changed the itinerary.

IR 1931 Genève Sion 7. Okt bis 13. Dez 2019 Mo - Fr
IR 1931 Genève-Aéroport Sion 29. Jul bis 4. Okt 2019 Mo - Fr; nicht 1. Aug

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Guerbetaler
 

Am 08.10.2019 um 18:12 schrieb Martin Baumann:
The first two cars, presumably 4001 and 4002, have been completed and
are currently undergoing dynamic testing in Bautzen. They will be
delivered to Zürich next month
.. but will not enter commercial service before next year. Meanwhile, and due to defects and collisions, VBZ must reduce the timetable of some lines. At the moment you might see single cars where double units should be available.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Neuchatel Littorail

Guerbetaler
 

Am 08.10.2019 um 18:14 schrieb Martin Baumann:
It is unclear if this will be the actual last day in traffic
No, the last day of the 500s will be around the end of the year. The first trainset ex-AB will enter commercial service about mid-November.

Markus, Gürbetal

Neuchatel Littorail

Martin Baumann
 

A farewell event for the old rolling stock is being held on 27.10.2019. It is unclear if this will be the actual last day in traffic:

http://railnet.ch/documents/20191027-Littorail.pdf

Re: New Zurich trams finally ordered

Martin Baumann
 

The first two cars, presumably 4001 and 4002, have been completed and are currently undergoing dynamic testing in Bautzen. They will be delivered to Zürich next month

Re: Lake Geneva diagram query

Guerbetaler
 

Am 07.10.2019 um 16:08 schrieb David Prior via Groups.Io:
I discovered today that SBB mobile timetable no longer shows the
return workings of IR1927/29/31 from Geneva Aeroport off the
following Re4/4 diagrams.
​1927 ​Genève-Aéroport – Sion​ 16.20 – 18.33
​1929​ Genève-Aéroport – St Maurice ​16.54 – 18.43
​1931 ​Genève-Aéroport – Sion ​17.20 – 19.33
fahrplanfelder.ch and reisezuege.ch still show them. The online timetable says, they run 29 July - 4 October. I'm investigating which info is correct.

Markus, Gürbetal

Lake Geneva diagram query

David Prior
 

Dear All,

I discovered today that SBB mobile timetable no longer shows the return workings of IR1927/29/31 from Geneva Aeroport off the following Re4/4 diagrams.

The outbound morning trains 1904/6/8 are all still shown as running as before. Does anyone know whether they now run ECS back, or operate some other services, or it’s a timetable error (admittedly very unlikely for SBB!) or ...... ?

Cheers, David

612.3
​1906​Sion – Genève-Aéroport​06.38 – 08.30
​1929​Genève-Aéroport – St Maurice​16.54 – 18.43


612.9
​1908​St-Maurice – Genève-Aéroport​07.17 – 09.02
​1931​Genève-Aéroport – Sion​17.20 – 19.33

612.10
​1904​Sion – Genève-Aéroport​05.51 – 08.02
​1927​Genève-Aéroport – Sion​16.20 – 18.33

Re: RhB 415

daigog218
 

Confirmed 415 in fine fettle!

Re: RhB 415

daigog218
 

Assume 415 is out today as well then. 414 is in the roundhouse at Landquart (with 704/707).