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Re: ICE 4 test passenger services Basel-Interlaken

Guerbetaler
 

Am 16.08.2019 um 11:57 schrieb Chris Wood via Groups.Io:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but why is a DB ICE unit (be it
ICE1 or ICE4) operating what looks like an entirely domestic Swiss
diagram?.
To reach a point to sleep where they feel at home. ;-)

One consist does Berlin - Interlaken Ost - Basel (371/336/338).
The next ICE arriving in Interlaken Ost at 21:57 (373) is stored there and goes off at 06:00 to Berlin (372).
The next one in the morining does Basel - Interlaken Ost - Berlin (333/278)

Basel Bad has some maintenance facilities for ICE.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Vectrons for SBB International

csipromo
 

I am trying to figure out some information...

SBB Cargo International leases 18 Vectrons from LokRoll. Are these loks identical, or are there some with a slightly different package?
SBB IN also leases a number of Vectrons from ELL (Austria). Some of those loks have two pantographs and are homologated for D/AT and others have four pantographs and are homologated for more countries (D/A/CH/I/NL).

SBB IN leased 20 further Vectrons from Suedleasing. Will these loks be identical to the LokRoll machines or will they have slight differences.

The four Vectrons leased by Hupac that were intended to be operated by SBB IN were rejected by SBB IN. Does anybody have any particulars as to why they were rejected? What, if any, differences are there between these loks and the LokRoll/ELL loks? The only information that I obtained was that operation of these loks would require additional operator training. I know that the pantographs were not the same as the LokRoll equipment, but don't know what the other differences may have been (cab design, control equipment, etc).

Any additional information is appreciated.

On a related question, what SBB tractive stock is homologated for use in Belgium? Does SBB IN operate to Antwerp, Ghent or Zeebrugge or do they rely on partners?

Regards

Mike C

Re: ICE 4 test passenger services Basel-Interlaken

csipromo
 

Will the ICE4 be running just in Switzerland or will it replace that particular ICE1 on the entire run, be it Interlaken - Hamburg or Interlaken - Frankfurt?

Regards

Mike C

Re: ICE 4 test passenger services Basel-Interlaken

Chris Wood
 

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but why is a DB ICE unit (be it ICE1 or ICE4) operating what looks like an entirely domestic Swiss diagram?.

ICE 4 test passenger services Basel-Interlaken

Martin Baumann
 

Sunday 18.08.2019 a DB ICE 4 will work

959 06:59 Basel-Interlaken Ost

1066 10:30 Interlaken Ost-Basel

971 12:59 Basel-Interlaken Ost

978 16:00 Interlaken Ost-Basel

ICE 4 units will replace all ICE 1 units working in Switzerland by June 2020 with Chur trains due to change in December

Re: BAM (MBC) coaches sold to Africa

Thomas
 

B 63 was sold to travys in 2015 and bought back to be sold to SNCFG, as travys had no use for it anymore.

The plan is to use them together with ex-zentralbahn B 305/310-312/314/316, which were imported by Bolloré Logistics in 2014 and ceded to SNCFG in 2018, for a planned commuter service between Conakry and Dubreka (45 km) on the meter gauge Friguia industrial line (145 km).

Regards, Thomas.

BAM (MBC) coaches sold to Africa

Martin Baumann
 

BAM B 61 to B 64 have all been sold to Africa (Conakry)

They were built by FFA/SIG in 1964 and were 26 to 29 until 1981/82

63 had been on loan to Yverdon Ste Croix and was not returned to BAM before being taken away:

https://www.20min.ch/ro/news/vaud/story/Des-wagons-du-train-Morges-Biere-en-Guinee-25349886 (French)

Re: Leman Express

Paul Burkhalter
 

All good points Gordon, so thank you for you observations based on (as you commented earlier) far more local experience than me.
No doubt time will refine the service.

Re: RhB: first Ge 4/4 II withdrawn

Guerbetaler
 

Am 10.08.2019 um 12:11 schrieb Martin Baumann:
As a result the loco has been withdrawn and will be scrapped after
reusable parts have been removed.
Ge 4/4 II might disappear earlier than usual for RhB locomotives. Reason is their electrical gear with thyristors. Unlike other RhB motive power, these locomotives don't have regenerative brakes, only rheostatic brakes. This results in an energy consumption that is 40% higher than with other locomotives.

Markus, Gürbetal

RhB: first Ge 4/4 II withdrawn

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

On 14.05.2019 628 hit a rockslide near Tavanasa-Breil/Brigels in the Surselva area. After inspection at Landquart repair was costed at over 1 Million franks and take around 18 months. As a result the loco has been withdrawn and will be scrapped after reusable parts have been removed.

Coach A 1231 has also been withdrawn, AB 1569 will be repaired

Re: Appenzeller Bahnen vehicles sold

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

What speed is alleged?

RhB claim the world speed record for metre gauge which was 145 km/h with Alegra 3502 on test in the Vereina tunnel 05.12.2009

Re: Leman Express

gordonwis
 

To be fair, the network does still involve France, and you could argue that it cannot be helped that the demography of France is very different to Switzerland, so although it may make a 'Swiss' timetable look more jumbled than normal, the number of footnotes is IMO not unreasonable for the following reasons:

Quite a few of the large number of footnotes relate to odd late night workings (and this can jumble up other Swiss timetables as well)

Not unreasonably there will be a big difference between travel patterns Monday - Friday and those at weekends, and because the network serves Alpine areas this will be a double whammy because the pattern switches starkly between a selection of the population commuting into the lowland areas for work on weekdays and different selection of population travelling out of the lowland/urban areas at weekends eg for skiing.

In some cases there is a footnote but it does not mean that there won't be a train all the time in that time slot

On Friday, 9 August 2019, 18:42:36 BST, Paul Burkhalter <paul@...> wrote:

At first glance, the draft seems very un-Swiss with all the footnotes!

Re: Appenzeller Bahnen vehicles sold

Thomas
 

The current generator/1st class/bar coaches on the Abidjan-Ouagadougou Express trains are demotorized DMU power cars from the mid-1970s. As such they still hold the world speed record on meter gauge.

The current train covers the distance in 36 hours max. It will be difficult to bring that down to 18 hours.

Rgds, Thomas.

Re: Appenzeller Bahnen vehicles sold

Guerbetaler
 

Am 09.08.2019 um 10:33 schrieb Chris Wood via Groups.Io:
With an 18 hour journey covering a distance of 1260 km, and three
trains a week, this is going to be a very different sort of railway
service to the ones the stock has been used on in Switzerland. And
the line is not electrified, so I guess the intent is to convert the
BDe and ABt vehicles into hauled coaches.
A local newspaper wrote that the vehicles will get air condition and that the motor coach will be adapted for this. Which I understand as stripping off the motors and other electrical gear and placing a diesel generator in the luggage room.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Leman Express

Paul Burkhalter
 

Thank you Stuart, Hans and Gordon. It does seem that through trains are yet to be established.
At first glance, the draft seems very un-Swiss with all the footnotes!
Paul B

Re: Appenzeller Bahnen vehicles sold

Chris Wood
 

According to the Railway Gazette, to be used on the line between Abidjan, in Côte d'Ivoire, and Ouagadougou, in Burkina Faso.

With an 18 hour journey covering a distance of 1260 km, and three trains a week, this is going to be a very different sort of railway service to the ones the stock has been used on in Switzerland. And the line is not electrified, so I guess the intent is to convert the BDe and ABt vehicles into hauled coaches.

Re: Leman Express

gordonwis
 

As someone who has been travelling on public transport in the Geneva area on and off for 58 years (and suffered the frustrations of the poor French timetabling compared to the Swiss...) , this is a mega change ...

Definitive schedules will come in September

Current available information is here:

https://www.projet-horaire.ch/fileadmin/sta_pdf_fields/2020/151.pdf

Looks like Coppet - Evian will be every 2 hours outside peaks, rising to every 30 minutes at peak

Re: Leman Express

Hans L.
 

Because delay for board security system homologation, it is not clear if direct trains will be operated between Coppet and Evian or if the users have to change train in Annemasse for some weeks or months.
Same question for Annecy or Le Fayet.

Re: Leman Express

StuartSmith
 

On 8 Aug 2019, at 09:41, Paul Burkhalter <paul@...> wrote:
When will the timetables for the new services on CEVA be made available? I’m keen to see what the new route to Evian will look like.
The lemanexpress website has the gen.

Leman Express

Paul Burkhalter
 

Good morning,
When will the timetables for the new services on CEVA be made available? I’m keen to see what the new route to Evian will look like.
Thank you,
Paul