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Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

csipromo
 

My first stop when I got to Zurich was to get a Swisscom InOne Pay As You Go SIM card. Maybe once you have done that, you can get your ticket using the ZVV app.
If not, you can probably get the pass at the SBB kiosk at Zurich HB or Kloten.

Regards

Mike C

Re: SBB Cargo locos

gordonwis
 

Hi Mike,

As I understand it Re10/10 still take over some trans-European freight trains at Muttenz from other traction, and potentially then give way at Bellinzona to, say, a 474 - these would be the main Re6/6 and Re4/4 under direct threat from new Vectrons, as Re's get replaced by locos that can haul a pan European train from eg Zeebrugge - Milano. Even a die hard enthusiast can perhaps see the 'finance department's' point in this instance - a single 'unit' (be it a single loco or a pair) can replace three separate units.

Not SBB IN but an example of the 'old ('inefficiant') way; my mate came back from a Swiss trip and showed me tonight a freight at Domo which came in with Italian traction and got take over by a BLS 465

On Wednesday, 24 July 2019, 15:57:21 BST, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I guess that a SBBIN train would be a train that was being hauled from Point of Origin (PoO) to Destination by SBBIN. This could be hauled by MS locomotives from departure to destination or by a combination of loks (if required). This could be a ES64F4 (MRCE), a BR 193 (LokRoll). If it was a BR 185 (MRCE), Re 421, Re 482, a lok change would be required at least for the TI network (Italy). SBBIN would be under contract to pick up and deliver that consist.
Would SBBIN still handle a train which was brought to Basel Bad/Muttenz by a foreign operator (DB/Lineas-SNCB/ERS/etc) or would that train be handled by SBBC?

Regards

Mike C

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Keith Hookham
 

I have input my Mastercard details but to no avail. Like you say it is also connected to my SBB app and I have had no problems with that. Very strange.

Cheers Keith.

Re: ZVV new S20 services with Lion

David Prior
 

On 18 Jul 2019, at 16:19, Martin Baumann <martin98baumann@...> wrote:
The diversion of LION sets to the S20 means that the diagrams starting 0638 ex Zürich (4808) and 0653 ex Aarau (4809) are now worked by pairs of Re 450
Maybe only certain parts of those diagrams have been delegated to 450s ... 420 204 + UID partner were at Aarau tonight on 4843, the 23:53 Aarau-Zürich (Diagrams 50.17/18)

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

glyn.jones
 

I had a similar problem trying to buy Saver Day Passes from the SBB app. I
tried two different Visa cards with no success but with a MasterCard there
was no problem.

Glyn

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Keith Hookham
 

So very true Markus.

As to the subject of the tickets I have managed to order a ticket utilising
the ZVV website which has given me a Q coded ticket. Unfortunately it would
not allow me to order the ticket on the ZVV ticket app on my English Iphone
as I kept getting the following error message. "der vorgang konnte nicht
abgeschlossen werden. ch.zvv.swisspass.network-fehler 9001 on the reiseden
erfassen part of the app. Oh well will just have to use the ticket machines
when I arrive at ZRH instead now.

Cheers Keith

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Guerbetaler
 

Am 24.07.2019 um 17:19 schrieb Keith Hookham:
The maps on the ZVV site are not useful at all with all the clutter
of buses, S bahns etc.
While I understand what you are looking for, it would nevertheless be fair to accept, that a very big majority of passengers is rather searching for all the clutter rather than any track details...

:-)

Markus

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Keith Hookham
 

Many thanks for this information and to Markus for the info for the zones
and costs. Yes I have a half fare card which is really useful.
That is all the information I require (for now at least).
The maps on the ZVV site are not useful at all with all the clutter of
buses, S bahns etc. The maps on the Gleisplanweb though are really good
though giving out great plans and even gives platform details and sidings.
Superb.
Again many thanks.
Cheers Keith

Re: SBB Cargo locos

csipromo
 

I guess that a SBBIN train would be a train that was being hauled from Point of Origin (PoO) to Destination by SBBIN. This could be hauled by MS locomotives from departure to destination or by a combination of loks (if required). This could be a ES64F4 (MRCE), a BR 193 (LokRoll). If it was a BR 185 (MRCE), Re 421, Re 482, a lok change would be required at least for the TI network (Italy). SBBIN would be under contract to pick up and deliver that consist.
Would SBBIN still handle a train which was brought to Basel Bad/Muttenz by a foreign operator (DB/Lineas-SNCB/ERS/etc) or would that train be handled by SBBC?

Regards

Mike C

Re: SBB Cargo locos

gordonwis
 

I may be wrong, but when I am out and about as I was by the Lötschberg for my unexpected extended stay in April, it is my understanding that if I see a long distance container or swap body train, hauled by an Re10/10, that will be a SBBC IN working. If the next thing I see is a single Re6/6 , Re4/4 or combination of same on a few wagons, that will be an internal SBBC working. For some time now I have been expecting to see fewer 'international' type workings* with Re6/6 or Re10/10 - which has indeed happened and I've seen more and more Vectrons. I reported on such workings as I saw in April recently on the group.

* That is why I was extra pleased in April when I saw and photted the Re10/10 'international' workings - the in the photos

Two photos attached to illustrate my point, one is surely SBBC IN, the other SBBC 'domestic' On Tuesday, 23 July 2019,

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Geoffrey Fischer
 

Have you tried the ZVV website? I found an extensive map collection there a
couple of years ago.

Re: SBB Cargo locos

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.07.2019 um 19:31 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
I was not aware of the breakdown of the fleet between SBBC and SBBIN.
I assumed that all of the inland loks were with SBBC.
This is not a breakdown of the fleet. But SBBC lends some locomotives to SBBIN. Until now SBBIN doesn't own any vehicle and they haven't registered a single vehicle for the comapny. In the Swiss rolling stock register you can't find SBBIN, only SBBC.

Both SBBC and SBBIN have a licence for track access within Switzerland. These licences are valid on Swiss territory plus a few kilometers in neighbouring countries. See the recent discussion about "Grenzbetriebsstrecken".

SBB Cargo Deutschland doesn't have an official acronym of any sort. If you google for them, you will arrive on the SBBIN website. It mentions also SBBCI as an address for SBBIN.

But I don't know the contracts between these companies and they aren't public.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: SBB Cargo locos

Heléna Moretti
 

Csipromo asked “I was not aware of the breakdown of the fleet between SBBC and SBBIN. I assumed that all of the inland loks were with SBBC.
I knew that the Re 482 were primarily used by SBBCD, along with a number of MRCE 185 and a few ELL 193s. The Re 474 and 484 were shared by SBBC and SBBCI.
SBBIN was operating the leased MRCE ES64F4, ELL and LokRoll 193 MS units.
Can anybody provide a breakdown of which Re 6/6 belong to SBBIN and what trains they are used for?”
SBB International Re6/6:

620.062-072; 620.074-089

Re4/4”

11162/3, 420.165, 11256, 11261, 11267, 11280/1, 11286, 11305, 11319/320, 11324, 11326-332, 11334-349

Re4/4”’

11350/1, 11358

Re421

421.385-388 and perhaps 390.

That is how it was in January 2019 but may well have evolved

Helena

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Re: SBB Cargo locos

csipromo
 

One more silly Vectron/SBBIN question... Would it not make sense to order locomotives that in addtion to DACHINL can also operate in Belgium? It would be logical to me that SBBIN would also like to have access to ports like Antwerp, Zeebrugge and Ghent.

Regards

Mike C

Re: SBB Cargo locos

csipromo
 

I was not aware of the breakdown of the fleet between SBBC and SBBIN. I assumed that all of the inland loks were with SBBC.
I knew that the Re 482 were primarily used by SBBCD, along with a number of MRCE 185 and a few ELL 193s. The Re 474 and 484 were shared by SBBC and SBBCI.
SBBIN was operating the leased MRCE ES64F4, ELL and LokRoll 193 MS units.

Can anybody provide a breakdown of which Re 6/6 belong to SBBIN and what trains they are used for?

I thought that SBBCD used 482 to bring cargo from DE into CH. It was then taken south by SBBC and handed over to SBBCI for delivery. It seems that it is much more complex.

I knew SBB(P) was slowly taking the Re 4/4II (first series) out of operation, with the number expected to jump once lok pulled consists are replaced by the new Giruno and Twindexx units. The new consists for Zurich-Stuttgart (146 Twindexx DE) and Zurich-Munich will also lead to reduced Re 420 requirements.

Regards

Mike C

Re: SBB Cargo locos

csipromo
 

I have to stop using SBBCI for SBB Cargo International. I keep forgetting that SBBCI stands for SBB Cargo Italia

Where do SBBIN, SBBCI, SBB Cargo Deutschland begin and end?
A train from Holland to Italy which passes through Germany, Switzerland and Italy would be run by which entity?

Regards

Mike C

Re: SBB Cargo locos

Heléna Moretti
 

Am 23.07.2019 um 17:40 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
SBB Cargo has something like 80 Re 620 and probably around 150-200 Re 420/430.
Markus replied: SBB cargo and SBB Cargo International are two companies who don't have
the same needs. SBBC is working within Switzerland and can make very
good use of locomotives without ability for Germany and Italy.
SBB Cargo International has 27 x Re6/6 and 42 x Re4/4”, Re421 and Re4/4”’, if each Vectron replaces an Re10/10 combination you can see how twenty of them will have a substantial effect on the International fleet of the older classes. SBB Cargo Domestic may take some of the ETCS-fitted Re6/6 as they become spare, this will save them having to use 3 x Re4/4” combinations. But with SBB-Passenger also set to shed many of its non ETCS-fitted Re4/4” with the introduction of new units, the 420 fleet could take a lot of tap over the next year.

Auguri
Helena


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Re: SBB Cargo locos

Guerbetaler
 

Am 23.07.2019 um 17:40 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
SBB Cargo has something like 80 Re 620 and probably around 150-200 Re 420/430.
SBB cargo and SBB Cargo International are two companies who don't have the same needs. SBBC is working within Switzerland and can make very good use of locomotives without ability for Germany and Italy.

If SBBCI eventually
SBB Cargo Italia doesn't need any ac locomotive.

SBBIN uses a certain number of SBBC locomotives and it seems that they will stop to use Re 420/430/620

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: SBB Cargo locos

csipromo
 

Martin (Baumann),

SBB Cargo has something like 80 Re 620 and probably around 150-200 Re 420/430.
I know that the Re 420/430 are the oldest running in the fleet, with the Re 620 a few years younger than the oldest, but it does not seem to me that 20 additional loks, even with the option for an additional 20, will replace 230-280 loks, especially when you consider that SBBCI wants this new equipment to increase it's capacity in NL and perhaps BE as well as on the north-south axis.
If SBBCI eventually got hold of the Re 460 fleet, that would go a long way towards filling the numbers of the older fleet as they are retired.
What the Vectron allows SBBCI to do is to operate a train along the entire route from the Channel or North Sea port to destination in Italy, eliminating the need for locomotive change along the way.

The other things that I am wondering about is when do the leases for the ES64F4 (MRCE) and Vectron (ELL) terminate?
I have also noted that the last three or four deals have all been with Siemens. Has the SBB decided that Bombardier products no longer meet their criteria?
There was a period after the RABe514 where it seemed that the SBB was sour on Siemens, but the experience with the EuroSprinter seems to have repaired that.
Has the SBB evaluated the 187/188 and was there a determination that Bombardier was not competitive for their needs?

Regards

Mike C

Re: SBB Cargo locos

Martin Baumann
 

The CEO of Cargo International says the new Vectrons "are almost completely replacing our old Re 620 and Re 420 fleet".

In addition to the 20 announced yesterday there is an option for 20 more