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Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Thomas
 

http://www.gleisplanweb.eu/Maps/Zuerich.pdf has an excellent track map of the Zurich tram network, which doesn't include the annoying bus lines. It was last updated 12.2017.

Rgds, Thomas.

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

csipromo
 

I went through my notes and I must apologize. The Bombardier units were the Domino NPZ set from Olten to Sursee and the BLS unit from Luzern to Bern. From Bern, I then rode to Interlaken and then on to Meiringen and back to Brienz. The ZB trains (SPATZ and Adler) were both Stadler products. I had not written down on my smartphone the details of the Luzern to Bern section and had only noted that in the messages that I sent myself by email every evening.

Regards

Mike C

Re: Border crossing

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2019 um 19:24 schrieb stephenhorobin via Groups.Io:
The reason is some places retain their German names is that are or
were in the Department of Alsace which historically is a Germanic
region with its own recognised dialect.
However, France has for a long time avoided that schooling was in German. They sent their teachers, policemen, railwaymen, officers etc., which mostly didn't understand German. Thus, much of the original language tradition has gone. And all important names were "frenchized". Strassburg became Strasbourg and Mülhausen is now Mulhouse.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

Guerbetaler
 

Before opening of the Limmattalbahn, the only trams leaving Zürich are the Glattalbahn lines 10, 11 and 12. Unfortunately line 12 comes in a colour near the bus lines and isn't easy to detect. But in the zone map you can see (dashed line) that it is all within zone 121. Zürich zone 110 counts twice, so to cover all tram lines you need a three zone ticket 110/121.

If you count Forchbahn S18 as a tram, then you have to add 140, 130 and 142, so a six zone ticket.

Am 22.07.2019 um 23:01 schrieb Keith Hookham:
And on that matter I have also tried to work out the best day ticket
to get after 0900 would be this one?
<https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards-and-tickets/tickets/9-oclock-daypass.html>??
valid for all zones after 9 o'clock (weekends all day) CHF 26.00

Or would it be better to get a
<https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards-and-tickets/tickets/daypass.html>
and if so would it just be a 3 zones ticket to cover the trams? Must
admit that due not being able to find a brilliant map for the trams
then finding the ZVV site is not brilliant for me.
3 zones 24 hours CHF 13.60
6 zones 24 hours CHF 26.00

If you can travel half fare, then it's 50% of the above prices.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Zurich Tram network & ticket

csipromo
 

I found a complete network map of tram, bus and ZVV network on the zvv.ch website.
I also picked up a printed edition of the map at the information booth at Zurich HB when I arrived there.

I was travelling on the Swiss Rail Pass and it covered unlimited travel on the ZVV network during the period of validity.
Swiss Rail Pass also covered SZU, SBB and SOB, BLS, etc...

https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/de/fahrplan/liniennetz.html
https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/de/abos-und-tickets/zonen.html
https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/timetable/network-maps.html

Passes: https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/de/abos-und-tickets/abos.html

Regards

Mike C

Re: SBB Cargo locos

csipromo
 

Hopefully one of the new Vectrons will mean the return of the Nightpiercer, as that was a striking livery.
I guess that these will replace a number of older loks. Will it be the Re 4/4II/III (420/421/430)and Re 6/6 (620) or will it be that the comparatively slower (although newer) Re 482 will be sold off? I could see the 482 being sold to German or Austrian operators who are looking for machines for Austria, Germany and Switzerland only.

Regards

Mike C

Zurich Tram network & ticket

Keith Hookham
 

So I have been looking for a good up to date map of the Zurich Tram network and must admit the only one I could find of any use was this one. http://www.mappery.com/Zurich-Tram-Map but it says it was from 2009!!!!
So obviously it is a bit out of date. Any information as to where I could find a decent map would be great.

And on that matter I have also tried to work out the best day ticket to get after 0900 would be this one? https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards-and-tickets/tickets/9-oclock-daypass.html?? Or would it be better to get a https://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards-and-tickets/tickets/daypass.html and if so would it just be a 3 zones ticket to cover the trams? Must admit that due not being able to find a brilliant map for the trams then finding the ZVV site is not brilliant for me.
Many thanks for any help.
Cheers K

Re: SBB Cargo locos

Martin Baumann
 

SBB Cargo International will be acquiring another 20 Vectron that will be leased from SüdLeasing. They are expected from the end of this year to mid 2020. They will be passed for Holland Germany Austria and Italy in addition to Switzerland.

(railcolor.net)

Re: Westbahn KISS

Max Wyss
 

One point mentioned in the article in Railway Gazette International is that
Westbahn, not being a public entity, can shorten the procurement process,
whereas it would have taken way too long for DB to procure new rolling
stock. Getting the well-maintained Westbahn trains is a boon for DB, as
well as for Westbahn. And they say that they did get a good deal with
Stadler…



Re: Westbahn KISS

Martin Baumann
 

12 car trains operated Wien Westbahnhof-Salzburg in the past at peak times such as Friday afternoon but I don't think they have operated 2 sets together since the Praterstern-Meidling-Salzburg route started. (This will be suspended for two years from Decemeber 2019)

Re: Border crossing

stephenhorobin
 

The reason is some places retain their German names is that are or were in the Department of Alsace which historically is a Germanic region with its own recognised dialect.
Also of interest in this area of Switzerland is how other cantons have an enclave in other cantons. It must be a very difficult region to administrate and deal with officialdom!

Re: Westbahn KISS

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2019 um 18:22 schrieb Martin Baumann:
After the rumours about buying Chinese equipment it has now been
announced that Westbahn have ordered 15 6 car KISS units from
Stadler.
Some more details from local (Swiss) newspapers and local (Westbahn) sightings:

I haven't seen more than one EMU in a train until now but some trains are made up of only one four car unit. Patronage seems to be good. Nevertheless the main owner of Westbahn said that he has lost EUR 80m until now. But he will continue.

Due to the currently very low capital costs, Westbahn put a bid for 15 6-car double deckers with 5 different manufacturers. It seems that they can reduce their annual costs with this deal.

On the other hand, DB is glad to have trains that really run and will use them instead of ... Bombardier double deckers! in Brandenburg, Sachsen and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (East Germany). DB says that these trainsets reached the highest customer satisfaction.

Rumors say that Peter Spuhler was VERY active behind the scene.

Another rumor has it that CRRC wouldn't have been able to buy an ETCS-equipment from any European manufacturer for these trains, thus approval would have become very difficult.

CRRC ante portas. But not yet in...

Markus, Gürbetal (currently Gmunden)

Re: Westbahn KISS, was: Serious Austrian accident: Concern about Stadler KISS crashworthyness

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

After the rumours about buying Chinese equipment it has now been announced that Westbahn have ordered 15 6 car KISS units from Stadler.

They have agreed the sale of all their existing trains to DB. 9 units will transfer in December this year meaning Westbahn will reduce their service between Vienna and Salzburg to hourly and only run from Westbahnhof until the new units are in service in 2021.

Although 4110.010 was repaired some time ago. It has remained stored in Switzerland and my now go direct to DB

Re: German Catenary and Signalling in Basle

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2019 um 16:36 schrieb Andrew Moglestue via Groups.Io:
I believe the original Badischer Bahnhof, before the connecting line
was built, was located on the site of the present Messe.
This is partly correct. Yes it was on the site of the present Messe, but
it was also after the connecting line was built. Relocation was only in
1913.

<https://map.geo.admin.ch/?lang=en&topic=ech&bgLayer=ch.swisstopo.swissimage&layers=ch.swisstopo.zeitreihen,ch.bfs.gebaeude_wohnungs_register,ch.bav.haltestellen-oev,ch.swisstopo.swisstlm3d-wanderwege&layers_visibility=true,false,false,false&layers_timestamp=19121231,,,&E=2612743.85&N=1268475.05&zoom=7>

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Border crossing

Clive Dean
 

Strangely Marcus I was looking at that tramway only this morning at how it
crosses a small part of France. Interesting to see that lots of place names
and features retain their former German names
K

Re: German Catenary and Signalling in Basle

Clive Dean
 

Thank you for further very comprehensive reply Marcus. All very
interestingly. Also your comments on other border crossings.

Re: German Catenary and Signalling in Basle

Andrew Moglestue
 

I believe the original Badischer Bahnhof, before the connecting line was built, was located on the site of the present Messe.

Re: German Catenary and Signalling in Basle

Guerbetaler
 

Am 22.07.2019 um 16:14 schrieb Chris Wood via Groups.Io:
Markus writes:
... So we never had 1600 mm in Switzerland
I thought that the original Zürich–Baden railway (the
Spanisch-Brötli-Bahn) was built to 1600mm gauge when it opened
(1847), and re-gauged around the same time as the Badische Staatsbahn
(1854).
We never had 1600 mm in Switzerland, for sure.

Maybe some article writer mixed up Baden and Baden at some time. sounds very similar. :-) But I have never seen such an erroneous information anywhere.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: German Catenary and Signalling in Basle

Chris Wood
 

Markus writes:

To add another little oddity: The Badische Staatsbahn had started to build its network with a gauge of 1600 mm (5'3") and
had reached Weil am Rhein, when it was decided to standardize the gauge, which was effectuated in 1854/55, just before
crossing the border into Switzerland. So we never had 1600 mm in Switzerland
I thought that the original Zürich–Baden railway (the Spanisch-Brötli-Bahn) was built to 1600mm gauge when it opened (1847), and re-gauged around the same time as the Badische Staatsbahn (1854).

Border crossing

Guerbetaler
 

After the explanations about the special ownership of infrastructure around Basel and Schaffhausen, a survey about the situation at other border crossings:

The regular case is a brake at the border itself, as it is also the case on the Waldshut - Koblenz Rhine bridge. Different situations exist at the following points:

- Bülach - Schaffhausen line crosses Germany without connecting there to the German network. The line is owned by SBB and built to Swiss standards but under German laws.

- BLT-line through Leymen (France) is owned by BLT.

- RhB-line to Tirano is owned by RhB, including the station.

- The Austrian lines from Bregenz and Feldkirch are owned by ÖBB until the entry into the stations of St. Margrethen and Buchs. There for ÖBB has a Swiss concession for the two times a few hundered meters of Infrastructure.

Another exception had originally been the Genève - La Plaine line, built and owned by the French company PLM. But this line was taken over by the Swiss Confederation in 1913 and is now SBB-owned.

Markus, Gürbetal