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Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.07.2019 um 00:40 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
ZB New Bombardier trains
What could that be? Did you mean SBB Bombardier trains?

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: ETR 610 Query

Guerbetaler
 

Am 17.07.2019 um 13:53 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
On my recent trip to Switzerland, I observed a Trenitalia ETR 610 in
Zurich HB with Swiss UIC numbering. How many of the FS trainsets are
registered in Switzerland?
All ETR 610 have always been registered in Switzerland. Units 01, 02, 03, 04, 08, 11, 12 can be found with VKM TI, if you search with
93 85 5 610 001 etc. on www.rollingstockregister.ch

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

csipromo
 

I guess it was the ZB ABeh 150 (Adler) type trainset. It was an unusual consist. The middle section was labelled Luzern-Interlaken Express and had a Bistro Car.
The consist was made up of two trainsets, possibly with an additional section with one pilot coach.

Regards

Mike C

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.07.2019 um 00:05 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
I guess it was the ZB ABeh 150 (Adler) type trainset.
But that's not Bombardier!

It was an unusual consist. The middle section was labelled
Luzern-Interlaken Express and had a Bistro Car. The consist was made
up of two trainsets, possibly with an additional section with one
pilot coach.
ZB has
4 ABeh 150.1 three-car-EMU with 1 cab Interlaken side
4 ABeh 150.2 three-car-EMU with 1 cab Luzern side
4 WR 150.3 single coach dining car, lettered Luzern-Interlaken Express"
11 ABeh 160/161 three-car-EMU with 2 cabs

The usual consist is 150.1-150.3-150.2
Normal peak consist is 150.1-150.3-150.2-160

In case of a technical problem a 150.1 or 150.2 may be replaced with a 160/161.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

gordonwis
 

All the new trains are Stadler, nothing from Bombardier here.

What you saw wasn't an unusual consist as 10 coach formations are common.

The new ZB EMU fleet has three types, commuter, Interregio and a dual-purpose. The commuter sets (Class 130) are known as 'Spatz'. The IR sets are 'Adler' and dual-purpose sets are 'Fink'. ZB considers the Adler units to be 7 car sets consisting of 150.1 and a 150.2 (3 cars each) and a bistro car (150.3). Fink are 3 car sets (160). They are often coupled together, hence you arrive at a 10 car formation with the Luzern Interlaken Express markings and a bistro.

FINK = flinke, innovative Niederflurkomposition; ADLER = alpiner, dynamischer, leiser, edler Reisezug

On Wednesday, 17 July 2019, 23:09:09 BST, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


I guess it was the ZB ABeh 150 (Adler). It was an unusual consist.

Re: ETR 610 Query

csipromo
 

I saw at least one Freccio Argento ETR 610 with yellow UIC numbers which were 93 85 X 610...
I also saw at least two trainsets which did not have these larger numbers on the coach sides.
I saw at least one SBB unit which had CH-SBB and I-TI markings.
The other SBB units had 93 85 5 numbering but were not class 610. May have been RABe 503 (2nd series)

Regards

Mike C

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

The equipment at Au:

SBB Te I 955 SLM 3865-MFO 1945 had been used for parts by SOB

SBB Te I 959 SLM 3990-MFO 1949 959 was SOB 52 after SBB

SBB 50 85 39-03 167-6 (AB4Ü 4108)

SBB 50 85 39-03 187-4 (AB4Ü 4128)

BLS 50 63 93-03 008-1 (D2 919)

Re: ZVV new S20 services with Lion

Martin Baumann
 

The diversion of LION sets to the S20 means that the diagrams starting 0638 ex Zürich (4808) and 0653 ex Aarau (4809) are now worked by pairs of Re 450

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

csipromo
 

I travelled from Brienz to Interlaken one night around 2230. The train was one of the SPATZ type trainsets
I rode the ZB from Interlaken to Meiringen and back to Brienz. The first train (to Meiringen) was a SPATZ. The train back to Brienz was the Luzern-Interlaken Express. I then took a train back to Interlaken again at night. The train was one of the SPATZ again.
Finally, I took the train from Interlaken Ost to Luzern, once again on the Luzern-Interlaken Express. I spent the final trip in the Bistro coach.

On my trip, there were two times that I saw Bombardier plaques in side coaches. The first was a INOVA coach in a Domino trainset between Olten and Sursee.
The second was one of the ZB trains. It may have been the Bistro coach of the LIE or the coach adjacent to it. The only other time I ran into the Bombardier logo was on the side of the RABe 500.

Regards

Mike C

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.07.2019 um 19:24 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
I travelled from Brienz to Interlaken one night around 2230.
SPATZ trainsets are no longer used on the Interlaken side. Normal assignment is an ABeh 160 or 161 (FINK).
<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZB_ABeh_160/161>
Replacement consist is a HGe with some B and an ABt

On my trip, there were two times that I saw Bombardier plaques in
side coaches. The first was a INOVA coach in a Domino trainset
between Olten and Sursee. The second was one of the ZB trains. It may
have been the Bistro coach of the LIE or the coach adjacent to it.
There is one combination that doesn't exist and that is Zentralbahn and Bombardier. You can't find the name Bombardier in the zb rolling stock list.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: ETR 610 Query

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.07.2019 um 00:13 schrieb csipromo:
I saw at least one Freccio Argento ETR 610 with yellow UIC numbers
which were 93 85 X 610... I also saw at least two trainsets which did
not have these larger numbers on the coach sides.
I saw at least one SBB unit which had CH-SBB and I-TI markings.
This is incorrect. But exists.

The other SBB units had 93 85 5 numbering but were not class 610. May
have been RABe 503 (2nd series)
Numbering of the 26 ETR-610, of which 7 are owned by TI and 19 by SBB,
is as follows:

First delivery, 14 trains:

93 85 5 610 001-014 as set number, single vehicles carry numbers
93 85 5 610 X01-X14, where X is 1 ... 7 beginning at the first class end
and going to second class end.

01, 02, 03, 04, 08, 11, 12 = CH-TI
05, 06, 07, 09, 10, 13, 14 = CH-SBB

Second and third delivery, 8+4 trains:

93 85 0 503 011-022 as set numbers, single vehicles carry numbers
93 85 X 503 011-022, where X is 1 and 2 for the cab cars and 3 ... 7 for
the intermediate cars, starting at the second class end.

In other words, the sets are composed like this:

610 = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
503 = 1 7 6 5 4 3 2

It is planned to renumber the 7 SBB-ETR-610 to 501 001-007 when they
will be slightly rebuilt to be like the second and third delivery.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: ETR 610 Query

csipromo
 

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 10:15 PM, Guerbetaler wrote:


It is planned to renumber the 7 SBB-ETR-610 to 501 001-007 when they
will be slightly rebuilt to be like the second and third delivery.
Do you mean 503? 501 is the number assigned to the Stadler Giruno trainsets.

Regards

Mike C

Re: ETR 610 Query

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.07.2019 um 22:45 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
Do you mean 503? 501 is the number assigned to the Stadler Giruno trainsets.
yes, of course. sorry

Markus

ETR 610 and RABe 503 numbering (revised)

Guerbetaler
 

Numbering of the 26 ETR-610, of which 7 are owned by TI and 19 by SBB,
is as follows:

First delivery, 14 trains:

93 85 5 610 001-014 as set number, single vehicles carry numbers
93 85 5 610 X01-X14, where X is 1 ... 7 beginning at the first class end
and going to second class end.

01, 02, 03, 04, 08, 11, 12 = CH-TI
05, 06, 07, 09, 10, 13, 14 = CH-SBB

Second and third delivery, 8+4 trains:

93 85 0 503 011-022 as set numbers, single vehicles carry numbers
93 85 X 503 011-022, where X is 1 and 2 for the cab cars and 3 ... 7 for
the intermediate cars, starting at the second class end.

In other words, the sets are composed like this:

610 = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
503 = 1 7 6 5 4 3 2

It is planned to renumber the 7 SBB-ETR-610 to 503 001-007 when they
will be slightly rebuilt to be like the second and third delivery.

Markus, Gürbetal

SERSA locomotive 'Erwin'

Alan Kent <alankent46@...>
 

Hello
In June I saw Henschel locomotive 30336/62 in the contractors yard in Bologna. It was painted yellow with no other identification apart from the Henschel plate.
Given that this fabrik number relates to SERSA 237 952 'Erwin', can anyone confirm that it is no longer a SERSA locomotive, please?
Thank you

Re: SERSA locomotive 'Erwin'

Guerbetaler
 

Am 18.07.2019 um 23:13 schrieb Alan Kent via Groups.Io:
Given that this fabrik number relates to SERSA 237 952 'Erwin', can
anyone confirm that it is no longer a SERSA locomotive, please?
No, I can't confirm this. The swiss vehicle register still says, number 98 85 5237 952 is a SERSA locomotive, as you can see with a simple queryn on <www.rollingstockregister.ch>. Well, maybe that SERSA forgot to change the entry....

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

Thomas
 

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:18 AM, Guerbetaler wrote:

Am 18.07.2019 um 19:24 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
I travelled from Brienz to Interlaken one night around 2230.
SPATZ trainsets are no longer used on the Interlaken side. Normal
assignment is an ABeh 160 or 161 (FINK).
<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZB_ABeh_160/161>
Replacement consist is a HGe with some B and an ABt
Normal assignement on the Interlaken side is currently two SPATZ. On 16.07.2019 it was ABe 130 130 003 and 010, with HGe 101 967 as Meiringen replacement consist.

On July 18, 2019, csipromo wrote:
On my trip, there were two times that I saw Bombardier plaques in
side coaches. The first was a INOVA coach in a Domino trainset
between Olten and Sursee. The second was one of the ZB trains. It may
have been the Bistro coach of the LIE or the coach adjacent to it.
I can assure you that the WR 150 Bistro coaches still had Stadler plates three days ago.

Rgds, Thomas.

Re: Zürich Tram line 2

Chris Wood
 

Martin Baumann writes:

Kappeli to Farbhof closed at end of traffic 12.07.2019 and will not see timetabled trams again until 02.09.
Andrew Moglestue writes:

You rightly say the section will not see timetabled trams. Of course there will still be tram movements as this line accesses the main workshops.
Kappeli is the stop just to the east of the access to the main workshops. As it doesn't have a turning loop, then I guess that the intention must be to terminate the service trams either by using the depot access as a Y, or by using a loop within the workshops themselves. If I'm right, then the section up to the workshop will see more trams than just those needing the services of the workshops.

Or I have I made an assumption too far.

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

Guerbetaler
 

Am 19.07.2019 um 10:33 schrieb Thomas:
Normal assignement on the Interlaken side is currently two SPATZ. On
16.07.2019 it was ABe 130 130 003 and 010, with HGe 101 967 as
Meiringen replacement consist.
Thank you for the update. Do you know for how long SPATZen are back on the Interlaken side?

Markus

Re: Just back from some travels and have a few questions

Derek Higham
 

Sorry to correct you Marcus, but this week the Interlaken Meiringen shuttle has been 130 010 until today when 130 003 has replaced it.
On a geographically related subject, BOB 311 has been out 3 days (Tuesday to Thursday) this week on a Lauterbrunnen diagram, although not without incident as the 10:02 Lauterbrunnen departure it should have worked on Wednesday was declared a technical failure and cancelled.
CheersD