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Free trips on red arrow 1021

Martin Baumann
 

Saturday 06.07.2019

FREE shuttle service with red arrow railcar 1021 on Saturday Zurich HB to Wollishofen xx10 ex Zurich xx50 ex Wollishofen 0910 to 1850

Re: Lötschberg Car Shuttles

Ewan Tait
 

On 29 Jun 2019, at 08:16, StuartSmith via Groups.Io <smithstuart=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

175, 179, 181, 182 +1 other operating today.

29/06/19.\
Stuart,

I was at Kandersteg on Saturday morning and saw the following:

175, 179, 180, 181, 182

In addition, 186 came through with 194 (on the front) and 193 (on the rear) on a short set.

Regards,
Ewan

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http://ewan.me.uk

Re 4/4 diagram query

David Prior
 

The 420 diagrams contain an odd-looking pair of services that don’t appear in the online timetable. Anyone know if 220 / 221 actually run or not ?

612.1
220(DA) Domodossola – Vallorbe 01.17 – 04.10

612.3
221​Vallorbe – Domodossola 23.41 – 02.53

612.4
220​(EA) Domodossola – Vallorbe 01.17 – 04.10

Re: Re 4/4 diagram query

Guerbetaler
 

Am 02.07.2019 um 23:05 schrieb David Prior via Groups.Io:
The 420 diagrams contain an odd-looking pair of services that don’t
appear in the online timetable. Anyone know if 220 / 221 actually run
or not ?
They do appear. If you take the timetable from sbb.ch, search for Paris - Milano using the advanced search choosing "Direct connections with sleeping car"

19:15 Paris-Gare de Lyon
Train EuroNight 201 Direction Venezia S. Lucia THELLO
arr 06:00 Milano Centrale

23:10 Milano Centrale
Train EuroNight 200 Direction Paris-Gare de Lyon THELLO
arr 09:37 Paris-Gare de Lyon

Markus

Re: Re 4/4 diagram query

gordonwis
 

They are the Paris - Milan Thello night trains - the last vestige of north - south European night trains via Vallorbe. The locos sit at Vallorbe station during the day waiting for the next night On Tuesday, 2 July 2019, 22:25:59 BST, David Prior via Groups.Io <david.prior64=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

The 420 diagrams contain an odd-looking pair of services that don’t appear in the online timetable. Anyone know if 220 / 221 actually run or not ?

612.1
220(DA) Domodossola – Vallorbe 01.17 – 04.10

612.3
221​Vallorbe – Domodossola 23.41 – 02.53

612.4
220​(EA) Domodossola – Vallorbe 01.17 – 04.10

Re: Re 4/4 diagram query

csipromo
 

Is this because the trains have no stops in Switzerland?
How many Thello runs are there? Is it just Paris-Venice or is there still a Paris-Milano-Rome run?

Regards

Mike C

Re: Re 4/4 diagram query

David Prior
 

Aha ... found them now : non-stop Dijon-Milano hence not on the “normal” SBB T/T.
Presumably hauled by the loco pool based in Brig (?).
Thanks to all for the info.

David

Re: Re 4/4 diagram query

Thomas
 

Thello operates the nightly EN 220/221 Venice-Paris and three daily Milano-Nice, while SNCF operates three daily TGVs Paris-Milano with connection to Rome.

Usually, the Venice-Paris Thello operates via Modane on the nights Mo/Tu-Fr/Sa and via Vallorbe/Frasne on Sa/Su and Su/Mo, but there are sometimes exceptions to that rule. The Thello page does not give details on the particular route, the SNCF page does (for ex. https://www.sncf.com/fr/itineraire-reservation/recherche-numero-train/details-train/220?date=22%2F06%2F2019&codeCirculation=OCEBD000220F01001&codeZoneArret=OCE83025932).

Yesterday, the Mont-Cenis line was interrupted by a mudflow as a result of violent storms between St-Michel-de-Maurienne and Modane and will remain closed for several weeks. Yesterday night's EN 221 ended its run at Dijon. Thello has announced that it is looking for alternatives, which could include operating nightly via Vallorbe, while SNCF is looking at operating its TGVs either via Vallorbe or Ventimiglia.

Rgds, Thomas.

Former Cisalpino ETR 470 News

csipromo
 

Railway Gazette is reporting that the ex-Cisalpino ETR 470 trainsets will be modified and transferred from FS to it's Greek subsidiary Trainose and will be used to provide service between Athens and Thessaloniki. The units will be modified to work with the 25kv 50Hz system in place.
Of the nine original trainsets, only six remain in operation.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/news/news/europe/single-view/view/cisalpino-pendolinos-to-work-athens-thessaloniki-line.html

Regards

Mike C

Re: Former Cisalpino ETR 470 News

Guerbetaler
 

Am 03.07.2019 um 17:53 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
Of the nine original trainsets, only six remain in operation.
No, only five remain (1, 4, 6, 7, 8). SBB owned four (2, 3, 5, 9) and scrapped them all, except four single cars of unit 9. First class end car is now with SBB Historic. Three cars of the second class end have been sold to FS and allowed to repair the damaged ETR 485.36

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Re 4/4 diagram query

phat2004uk
 

This is the Paris - Venice sleeper

Re: Re 4/4 diagram query

StuartSmith
 

Currently SBB, but likely to be going over to BLS in the near future.

(From a source in Switzerland 🇨🇭 last week).

Re: Re 4/4 diagram query

Guerbetaler
 

Am 03.07.2019 um 07:00 schrieb StuartSmith via Groups.Io:
Currently SBB, but likely to be going over to BLS in the near future.
You are speaking about the role as RU in Switzerland, aren't you?

There is still another BLS involvement:

The Thello night trains always travel via Lötschberg when Vevey - Visp is closed for any reason. It has even happened that the train passed in front of our house, when also the Aaretal line (Bern - Thun) was closed. This was around 2 o'clock in the night.

Markus, Gürbetal (BLS)

Re: Bombardier 185 vs 188

Guerbetaler
 

Am 26.06.2019 um 04:47 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
You did not mention the CBRail/MacQuarie 185s that were leased to
Crossrail other than 185 578.
185 579
185 580
185 581 (Ewals)
(All now running for Captrain/ITL)
According to Jürg's <http://www.juergs.ch/bahn/vorbild/cr/br185.html>
there were slightly more than this:
185 564-2
185 566-7
185 567-5
185 576-6
185 577-4
185 578-2
185 579-0
185 580-8
185 581-6
185 590-7
185 591-5
185 592-3
185 593-1
185 594-9
185 595-6
185 596-4
185 597-2
185 599-8
185 600-4
185 601-2
185 602-0
Some of them are still authorized to run in Switzerland, but not all.

I also seem to recall that a number of loks leased to Rail4Chem were
also authorized for operation in Switzerland
185 541
185 542
185 543
There may have been others at the time. All the former R4C 185s
of this subgroup are also now running for Captrain/ITL
According to Jürg's <http://www.juergs.ch/bahn/vorbild/r4c/br185.html>
there were eight locomtives
185 517-0
185 532-9
185 533-7
185 541-0
185 542-8
185 543-6
185 549-3
185 550-1
None of them is still authorized to run in Switzerland but they all seem to have kept the Swiss pantograph. Unlike the Signum magnet which has been remmoved.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: Re 4/4 diagram query

Thomas
 

At https://www.thello.com/en/paris-venice/traffic-information/ Thello informs that the weekend trains via Vallorbe will operate as scheduled. Bus substitution services between Paris, Dijon and Milano have been put in place for tonight and Monday night's services via Modane. Thello is still looking at alternatives for departures from July 9.

Rgds, Thomas.

Re: BLS 420 505

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

505 is now a shell stored at Ramsei and is expected to go for scrap shortly

Zürich Tram line 2

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

Kappeli to Farbhof closed at end of traffic 12.07.2019 and will not see timetabled trams again until 02.09.

Farbhof loop and terminus will be demolished and replaced by a through stop.

The extension from Farbhof to Schlieren Geissweid will open to timetable traffic on 02.09.2019 but there will be an opportunity to travel during the opening festival on 31.08.2019 which will include the use of museum cars

https://www.limmattalbahn.ch/home/versteckte-seiten/Eroeffnung.html

Just back from some travels and have a few questions

csipromo
 

Around the station in Au, Zurich, there were two small shunters with a few old style coaches, I think one in red/beige, one in blue/beige and one in green.
Does anybody have any information on these?

While travelling from Luzern to Bern via Entlebuch, I spotted a few restored BLS EWI in green, a SBB EWI diner (self service type) as well as at least one former Goldenpass coach.
I don't remember if it was Langnau or Konolfingen. It might have been Extrazug.ch (Langnau).

I did get to ride a lot of trains and take some routes that I had not yet been on.

I did not get to ride on the Giruno, the Twindexx, nor the new SOB Flirts.

Here's the list of the new experiences:
TI ETR 610 (mit UIC 85 Nummer)
SBB RABe 503 (SBB ETR 610)
BLS Mutz
SBB RABe 511 (ZVV und Reseau)
SBB RABe 514
ZB New Bombardier trains

I saw the BLS EWIII (ex-SBB) with new GoldenPass markings.
They seem to have made more modifications to the coaches as well.

I did manage to squeeze in one final run on the Revvivo Voralpen Express between Herisau and Arth-Goldau.

Regards

Mike C

Re: Zürich Tram line 2

Andrew Moglestue
 

You rightly say the section will not see timetabled trams. Of course there will still be tram movements as this line accesses the main workshops.

OeBB Red Arrow 1007

Martin Baumann
 

1007 will work the following service trains tomorrow 18.07.2019 :

1302, 1332, 1402, 1432, 1502 ex Balsthal

1318, 1349, 1418, 1449, 1518 ex Oensingen