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Re: Fri 14th S17067 2x Re4/4

Guerbetaler
 

Am 14.06.2019 um 17:24 schrieb David Prior via Groups.Io:
11146 lead + 11112 rear (259.2 17067) 17:26 Basel-Stein-S.
Utilising a 3-coach set with no driving trailer.
blue/white EW I/II coaches? Then it's a "normal" push-pull set, where the driving trailer was replaced with a locomotive.

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: unidentified locomotives

Alan Kent <alankent46@...>
 

Hello
The locos were located roughly where you show them on your map. They were identical and could have been Tm 111s. Do you have the numbers of the 2 locos that you saw, please?
Thanks
Alan

Re: Fri 14th S17067 2x Re4/4

David Prior
 

blue/white EW I/II coaches? Then it's a "normal" push-pull set, where the driving trailer was replaced with a locomotive.
Yes - a normal EW I/II set for that diagram minus its driving trailer and with loco for the return/reverse leg.

I realised later that the same loco+coaches+loco format had worked this service on Thu 13th, but it passed me at speed whilst I was travelling inbound to Basel SBB. Interesting to see how long it lasts.

Re: unidentified locomotives

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.06.2019 um 00:43 schrieb Alan Kent via Groups.Io:
The locos were located roughly where you show them on your map. They
were identical and could have been Tm 111s. Do you have the numbers
of the 2 locos that you saw, please?
Sorry, numbers are too small to read. Would have to try to take a photo from the train but not sure if this works. The following Tm III are still in the NVR for SBB:

98 85 5231 004-3 ex 904
98 85 5231 006-8 ex 906
98 85 5231 008-4 ex 908
98 85 5231 009-2 ex 909
98 85 5231 010-0 ex 910
98 85 5231 019-1 ex 919
98 85 5231 020-9 ex 920
98 85 5231 021-7 ex 921
98 85 5231 023-3 ex 923
98 85 5231 024-1 ex 924

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: More Gotthard loco hauled

Thomas
 

Pretty much, same platform (3) and that is what normally happens in Erstfeld with those trains.

Rgds, Thomas.

Re: unidentified locomotives

Alan Kent <alankent46@...>
 

HelloThank you for the infoAlan Kent

On Saturday, June 15, 2019, 8:11:27 AM GMT+1, Guerbetaler <guerbetaler@...> wrote:

Am 15.06.2019 um 00:43 schrieb Alan Kent via Groups.Io:
The locos were located roughly where you show them on your map. They
were identical and could have been Tm 111s. Do you have the numbers
of the 2 locos that you saw, please?
Sorry, numbers are too small to read. Would have to try to take a photo
from the train but not sure if this works. The following Tm III are
still in the NVR for SBB:

98 85 5231 004-3 ex 904
98 85 5231 006-8 ex 906
98 85 5231 008-4 ex 908
98 85 5231 009-2 ex 909
98 85 5231 010-0 ex 910
98 85 5231 019-1 ex 919
98 85 5231 020-9 ex 920
98 85 5231 021-7 ex 921
98 85 5231 023-3 ex 923
98 85 5231 024-1 ex 924

Markus, Gürbetal

Re: SZU Zürich closure

Martin Baumann
 

The Wiedikon trains will be worked by the SZU's two Re 450 plus an additional one leased from SBB. SZU Re 4/4 (456) are not permitted between Giesshübel and Wiedikon as they do not have ETM equipment

Re: unidentified locomotives

Guerbetaler
 

From the bridge on which IC to Bern leave Zürich HB, I could see a third
Tm III. But this one was (today) in a position impossible to take a
photo of.

Sorry, numbers are too small to read. Would have to try to take a
photo from the train but not sure if this works.
It worked for the other two, being further West, plus Ta 974, which is still yellow. The two Tm III seen are:

98 85 5231 009-2 ex 909
98 85 5231 010-0 ex 910

HTH
Markus

IC 2000 Coach Renovations

csipromo
 

I have seen photos of at least one or two IC 2000 (Dosto) train consists with a new livery. This new look is very similar to the colours chosen for the RABe 502 (Twindexx) trains. My question is whether this new livery will also eventually be applied to the RABe 511, 514 and other classes as well?

Does anybody know where the new livery trains will be running in early July?

Thanks and regards

Mike C

Re: IC 2000 Coach Renovations

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.06.2019 um 18:49 schrieb csipromo via Groups.Io:
I have seen photos of at least one or two IC 2000 (Dosto) train
consists with a new livery. This new look is very similar to the
colours chosen for the RABe 502 (Twindexx) trains. My question is
whether this new livery will also eventually be applied to the RABe
511, 514 and other classes as well?
Until now, SBB applied new liveries in the moment when a general modernization was made. See EW4, IC-coaches, NPZ etc. 514 has a Zürich livery (blue) and will remain different. 511 is still quite far away from a modernization... (until then, a new person might be responsible for liveries)

Does anybody know where the new livery trains will be running in
early July?
Not sure if they will be running. It was announced that they will be put into service as complete consists, "as far as possible". Until now, none of the redesigned coaches appeared in a regular service.

Markus, Gürbetal

Tm III (was Re: unidentified locomotives)

Martin Baumann
 
Edited

Subject to correction the Tm III remaining with SBB are allocated as follows:

904 (231 004) SBB-Infra, location unknown (Is still in NVR Register)
905 (231 005) Biel Works (internal use only, withdrawn from traffic 12.11.2009)
906 (231 006) Yverdon Works
908 (231 008) Zürich Depot
909 (231 009) Zürich Works
910 (231 010) SBB-Infra Zürich
918 (231 018) Biel Works (internal use only, withdrawn from traffic 04.09.2012)
919 (231 019) Zürich Works
920 (231 020) SBB-Infra Geneva
921 (231 021) SBB-Infra Geneva
923 (231 023) SBB-Infra Lausanne Triage
924 (231 024) Biel Works

Re: Tm III (was Re: unidentified locomotives)

Guerbetaler
 

Am 15.06.2019 um 21:55 schrieb Martin Baumann:
904 (231 004) SBB-Infra, location unknown (Is still in NVR Register)
910 (231 010) SBB-Infra Zürich
920 (231 020) SBB-Infra Geneva
921 (231 021) SBB-Infra Geneva
923 (231 023) SBB-Infra Lausanne Triage
These Tm are all registered for SBB, not for SBBI. And I saw 910 clearly working for the Works.

Markus

Re: IC 2000 Coach Renovations

csipromo
 

Thanks for the update. I guess that the photo of the short consist that I saw must have been some kind of test run.
https://www.bahnbilder.de/1200/modernisierte-ic-komposition-2000-mit-re-1152078.jpg

Regards

Mike C

Re: Tm III (was Re: unidentified locomotives)

Alan Kent <alankent46@...>
 

Hello
Many thanks for your efforts and for the additional information
Alan Kent

Loco 14 Dampfloki Verein Appenzeller Bahnen

Martin Baumann
 

This association is being wound up and loco 14, originally RhB 14, SLM 1479 of 1902 (G3/4 or 2-6-0T) has been sold to La Traction at Pre Pretijan

https://tinyurl.com/yyvdlgov (DVAB facebook page with pictures of 14's departure)

Re: IC 2000 Coach Renovations

gordonwis
 

You can tell it's a test run. No IC2000 trains are booked for only 4 coaches - and you can see it looks like not a =n ordinary driver in the cab

Bombardier 185 vs 188

John Lovda
 

On my last trip I caught a Traxx 188 sitting at Spiez. It appeared to be owned by Bombardier, not a customer. What are the differences between these two models? More HP? Is the 185 Swiss-Italian and the 188 Swiss-German?
Thanks,
John

Re: Bombardier 185 vs 188

Ewan Tait
 

On 24 Jun 2019, at 00:56, John Lovda via Groups.Io <
jlovda=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

On my last trip I caught a Traxx 188 sitting at Spiez. It appeared to be
owned by Bombardier, not a customer. What are the differences between these
two models? More HP? Is the 185 Swiss-Italian and the 188 Swiss-German?



Br 185s are AC only locomotives, as are Br 187s. Br 186s and Br 188s are AC
and DC.

The DB Br 185.1s in Switzerland (south of Basel SBB RB) are setup for
Germany, Switzerland and Austria.

Railcolor has loads of information
https://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1404957&lang=1

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Re: Bombardier 185 vs 188

csipromo
 

More specifically, the 185 was an AC locomotive derived from the earlier 145/146. This also includes the SBB 482 and BLS 485.
Bombardier developed the Re 484 (Multisystem) from the 185 and from the 484, they developed European multisystem loks under the class 186.
Bombardier introduced the latest version of the 185 AC under the model 187. The multisystem version of the 187 is the new class 188, which is currently being tested in Switzerland, primarily on the BLS network.

These new generation locomotives (186, 188) can be used on multiple networks (subject to homologation) and technically could be used to pull a train from start to finish, eliminating traction change at borders or where networks use different systems.

Regards

Mike C

Re: Bombardier 185 vs 188

Ewan Tait
 

On 24 Jun 2019, at 17:29, csipromo via Groups.Io <csipromo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

More specifically, the 185 was an AC locomotive derived from the earlier 145/146. This also includes the SBB 482 and BLS 485.
Bombardier developed the Re 484 (Multisystem) from the 185 and from the 484, they developed European multisystem loks under the class 186.
Bombardier introduced the latest version of the 185 AC under the model 187. The multisystem version of the 187 is the new class 188, which is currently being tested in Switzerland, primarily on the BLS network.

These new generation locomotives (186, 188) can be used on multiple networks (subject to homologation) and technically could be used to pull a train from start to finish, eliminating traction change at borders or where networks use different systems.

The AC locos can operate across borders in much the same was the multi-system locos. The difference is that the MS locos can operate under both AC and DC OHLE systems, where as the AC locos are AC only. There are also DC only TRAXX locos, diesel TRAXX locos and both AC and DC (and no doubt in the future, MS) TRAXX locos with a last mile Diesel engine to enable them to shunt away from the wires.

Regards,
Ewan

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