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Re: Illinois Central 0-10-0 Locomotives

Logtrain
 

Mark,

Very interesting about the trust plate on #3605.

I can say for sure that this engine never operated on the G&SI.
The likely explanaton probably has to do with corporate financing.

The IC acquired the G&SI in 1925, but kept it as a separate corporate identity until (I think) sometime in the 1940s. They immediately (in 1925) sent classic IC power to the G&SI and disposed of all G&SI motive power by late 1927 or early 1928...only a few remained in service after the IC takeover.

The A&V / VS&P were acquired in 1926 (about) and made part of the IC-owned Y&MV corporately. A&V and VS&P motive power was largely retained...at least the better engines. And the 2-10-2's were rebuilt in the great Paducah rebuild program and made 0-10-0's as we have already realized. I suspect that financing for the latter project was handled under the G&SI corporate identity which still was in place. So, the engines were always A&V-IC, but the financing for the rebuild was likely done using the G&SI identity.

One thing is sure. The G&SI never needed or used a 2-10-2. Nor an oil burning steam locomotive.

There is my best shot. It costs nothing, which is the exact monetary value of lots of my best shots!

David Price

--- In steamlocorosters@..., Mark Foster <kramsf@...> wrote:

David and Jerry, thanks for the info about the IC 0-10-0's. Apparently the IC replaced the original tenders of all seven engines. I believe IC No's 3600 & 3601 had conventional tenders while earlier photos show both had small slope-back tenders at the time they were A&V engines and worked the Vicksburg ferry ramp. Builders photos of A&V 2-10-2 No's. 270 and 273 show them with relatively small conventional tenders and I assume the other three had similar tenders. After the IC rebuilt them to 0-10-0's and renumbered them 3602-3606 I believe all five had Vanderbilt type tenders. Am I correct in this regard?
 
I questioned if any of these IC engines originally belonged to the G&SI. My first time up in a locomotive cab was in 1940 when I came upon No. 3605 which was on the ground after failing to negotiate a curve on the sidetrack leading to a coal and lumber yard in Homewood, IL about a mile south of the IC Markham Yard leads. The crew was waiting for another engine and re-railing frogs to get the 3605 back on the rails and invited me up into the cab. Needless to say I was awed by the many valves, gauges, etc. There was a metal plate mounted on the backhead which I distinctly remember read "Gulf & Ship Island Railroad". I didn't know it at the time but later when I learned about such things I came to realize it was an equipment trust plate. In response to one of my many questions, the engineer said the 3605 had been a G&SI engine before coming to the IC. What could the explanation be of this seeming conflict with the historical info you provided 
about this particular locomotive? 
 
Mark
 
  

________________________________
From: David <logtrain@...>
To: steamlocorosters@...
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: [steamlocorosters] Re: Illinois Central 0-10-0 Locomotives


 

Mark and All:

Baldwin built the two Alabama & Vicksburg 0-10-0's for use on the incline leading to the car ferry at Vicksburg. They were indeed built as oil burners. They became I.C. #3400 and #3401, and later #3600 adn #3601. The I.C. converted them to coal. These were HUGE machines, and their boilers were large enough to require an offset bell mount for clearance! I have photos of them in all three versions. Let me know if you are interested in seeing them.

The A&V also had 2-10-2's (Baldwins, coal burners, Young valve gear). Sister VS&P ran across the flatlands of Louisiana to Shreveport, so could do with light Baldwin 2-8-2's. But the heaver grades encountered crossing Mississippi from West to East (across the flow of streams and rivers) required the additional tractive effort of the 2-10-2's. The I.C. quickly converted the former A&V 2-10-2's to 0-10-0's. Have photos of these too if you need them.

The Gulf & Ship Island never had an oil burner. All their steam locomotives burned coal.

David Price

--- In mailto:steamlocorosters%40yahoogroups.com, "kramsf" <kramsf@> wrote:

From the info available to me it appears that the IC had seven 0-10-0 engines. Five of these were originally Alabama & Vicksburg 2-10-2's and were built by Baldwin between 1919-1922. These were transferred to the IC roster in 1926 and between 1938 and 1941 were rebuilt by the IC into 0-10-0's and numbered 3602-3606. If any of this is wrong I'd appreciate receiving corrections.

I believe the other two engines were IC No's. 3600 and 3601 and remember having been told they were originally built for the VS&P and/or the Gulf & Ship Island but have been unable to confirm this. If either or both of these two were former G&SI engines I think they may have originally been oil burners. Any info about the history of these two engines would be greatly appreciated.

Mark Foster

Re: Illinois Central 0-10-0 Locomotives

Jerry Dowling
 

For anyone interested in these unusual locomotives, the DeGoyler Library (SMU) website has the erection cards and photos of A&V 430 and 431. Follow this link: http://digitalcollections.smu.edu/cdm/search/collection/rwy/searchterm/Ag2005.0003/field/all/mode/exact/conn/and/cosuppress/

Jerry

--- In steamlocorosters@..., "David" <logtrain@...> wrote:

Mark,

Very interesting about the trust plate on #3605.

I can say for sure that this engine never operated on the G&SI.
The likely explanaton probably has to do with corporate financing.

The IC acquired the G&SI in 1925, but kept it as a separate corporate identity until (I think) sometime in the 1940s. They immediately (in 1925) sent classic IC power to the G&SI and disposed of all G&SI motive power by late 1927 or early 1928...only a few remained in service after the IC takeover.

The A&V / VS&P were acquired in 1926 (about) and made part of the IC-owned Y&MV corporately. A&V and VS&P motive power was largely retained...at least the better engines. And the 2-10-2's were rebuilt in the great Paducah rebuild program and made 0-10-0's as we have already realized. I suspect that financing for the latter project was handled under the G&SI corporate identity which still was in place. So, the engines were always A&V-IC, but the financing for the rebuild was likely done using the G&SI identity.

One thing is sure. The G&SI never needed or used a 2-10-2. Nor an oil burning steam locomotive.

There is my best shot. It costs nothing, which is the exact monetary value of lots of my best shots!

David Price

--- In steamlocorosters@..., Mark Foster <kramsf@> wrote:

David and Jerry, thanks for the info about the IC 0-10-0's. Apparently the IC replaced the original tenders of all seven engines. I believe IC No's 3600 & 3601 had conventional tenders while earlier photos show both had small slope-back tenders at the time they were A&V engines and worked the Vicksburg ferry ramp. Builders photos of A&V 2-10-2 No's. 270 and 273 show them with relatively small conventional tenders and I assume the other three had similar tenders. After the IC rebuilt them to 0-10-0's and renumbered them 3602-3606 I believe all five had Vanderbilt type tenders. Am I correct in this regard?
 
I questioned if any of these IC engines originally belonged to the G&SI. My first time up in a locomotive cab was in 1940 when I came upon No. 3605 which was on the ground after failing to negotiate a curve on the sidetrack leading to a coal and lumber yard in Homewood, IL about a mile south of the IC Markham Yard leads. The crew was waiting for another engine and re-railing frogs to get the 3605 back on the rails and invited me up into the cab. Needless to say I was awed by the many valves, gauges, etc. There was a metal plate mounted on the backhead which I distinctly remember read "Gulf & Ship Island Railroad". I didn't know it at the time but later when I learned about such things I came to realize it was an equipment trust plate. In response to one of my many questions, the engineer said the 3605 had been a G&SI engine before coming to the IC. What could the explanation be of this seeming conflict with the historical info you provided 
about this particular locomotive? 
 
Mark
 
  

________________________________
From: David <logtrain@>
To: steamlocorosters@...
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: [steamlocorosters] Re: Illinois Central 0-10-0 Locomotives


 

Mark and All:

Baldwin built the two Alabama & Vicksburg 0-10-0's for use on the incline leading to the car ferry at Vicksburg. They were indeed built as oil burners. They became I.C. #3400 and #3401, and later #3600 adn #3601. The I.C. converted them to coal. These were HUGE machines, and their boilers were large enough to require an offset bell mount for clearance! I have photos of them in all three versions. Let me know if you are interested in seeing them.

The A&V also had 2-10-2's (Baldwins, coal burners, Young valve gear). Sister VS&P ran across the flatlands of Louisiana to Shreveport, so could do with light Baldwin 2-8-2's. But the heaver grades encountered crossing Mississippi from West to East (across the flow of streams and rivers) required the additional tractive effort of the 2-10-2's. The I.C. quickly converted the former A&V 2-10-2's to 0-10-0's. Have photos of these too if you need them.

The Gulf & Ship Island never had an oil burner. All their steam locomotives burned coal.

David Price

--- In mailto:steamlocorosters%40yahoogroups.com, "kramsf" <kramsf@> wrote:

From the info available to me it appears that the IC had seven 0-10-0 engines. Five of these were originally Alabama & Vicksburg 2-10-2's and were built by Baldwin between 1919-1922. These were transferred to the IC roster in 1926 and between 1938 and 1941 were rebuilt by the IC into 0-10-0's and numbered 3602-3606. If any of this is wrong I'd appreciate receiving corrections.

I believe the other two engines were IC No's. 3600 and 3601 and remember having been told they were originally built for the VS&P and/or the Gulf & Ship Island but have been unable to confirm this. If either or both of these two were former G&SI engines I think they may have originally been oil burners. Any info about the history of these two engines would be greatly appreciated.

Mark Foster

Louisville & Atlantic Railroad in Kentucky

eznky
 

Folks,
I joined the list in the hopes I can get some help on a more detailed roster for the Louisville & Atlantic Railroad in Kentucky, along with its predecessors the Beattyville & Cumberland Gap Railroad and the Richmond, Nicholasville, Irvine and Beattyville Railroad.

I have the usual sources: Sulzer, and Prince's books.

I've found info on several of the loose ends, but I still have some mysteries. Has anyone else looked at these lines? (I've done the normal searching of older posts before asking...)

I can post questions on specific locos in separate threads if that's the preference.
Eric Zabilka
Wilmore Kentucky

Re: Jacksonville Northwestern (Arkansas)

arkrail2001
 

I am still seeking roster information on Jacksonville Northwestern 0-6-0T #6, purchased ca. 1951 for this Arkansas shortline. A photograph of this locomotive has been uploaded to the photo section of this list, in the album Jacksonville Northwestern.

From the builder plate on the locomotive, it appears to be an Alco. Any assistance in identifying the original owner would be appreciated.

Bill Pollard

--- In steamlocorosters@..., "arkrail2001" wrote:

I am seeking information on an 0-6-0 purchased second-hand in 1951 by
the Jacksonville Northwestern Railway. The locomotive was an oil
burner, reportedly built by Alco.

Any information providing identification of this locomotive would be
appreciated.

Bill Pollard

ALCo San Diego & Arizona 2-8-0 question

Paul Copeland
 

In 1914 the San Diego & Arizona ordered two 2-8-0 locomotives from ALCo:
 
101    2-8-0    ALCo-Schen  54664 12/  /14  ALCo order #S-????
102    2-8-0    ALCo-Schen  54973 12/  /14  ALCo order #S-1076
 
Would anyone know the ALCO order number for #101, and the MM/DD/YY
shipping dates on these engines?   The ALCO information available to me
is missing this information.
 
Thanks,
Allen Copeland

US Rolling Stock Corp

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Hi All,

Have been doing some digging into this company and what little I find says they must have been a major player in the early loco and rolling stock market. Very little has surfaced so far in numerous searches.

Here is what I do know. They were formed in 1871 and ownership was common to some point with the Atlantic & Great Western RR. The goal was to build and sell and lease locos and rolling stock. I can find no evidence of them ever building a loco but they did build quite a few freight cars. Below is a link to the best data I have found.

http://www.midcontinent.org/rollingstock/builders/us_rollingstock.htm

Although the car side of the business would be fascinating in itself my interest is in the locomotives they bought, sold, leased, rented, rebuilt etc. My builders records indicate they purchased at least 80 locos from several builders in the 1872-73 period, all 4-4-0s. Probably half or more have no known history after they were purchased. I also found records of them reselling two other locos orignally sold to other roads.

A mention in a trade publication stated that as of 12-31-1880 they owned 23 locos, 51 less than the previous year. They had also rebuilt or thoroughly refurbished 26 locos.

Being able to track some of this data down might answer a whole lot of questions in rosters and builders data from ~1872-1900. An 1895 add stated they were ready and willing to build abd sell or lease freight cars of all types and locomotives.

This was the first US company with this business model. Dealers, brokers etc became more common after the Civil War but was anyone else in the game to any extent like this in the 1880s or 90s?

Any further info would be appreciated.

Allen Stanley
Greer, SC

ICC Class Codes

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Hi All,

While digging in some ATSF diagram books (ca 1920 & 1927) in the classification section they showed thier class codes as well as an ICC Class Code. Below is what they showed-

TYPE ICC SYMBOL
0-4-0 A2
0-6-0 A3
0-8-0 A4
4-6-0 CE
2-8-0 B4
2-10-0 B5
2-10-2 E5
4-4-0 C2
4-8-0 C4
4-4-2 F2
4-6-2 F3
2-6-0 B3
2-6-2 E3
2-10-4
2-8-4
2-6-6-2
4-8-2
4-6-4


I have never encountered these classes by the ICC before that I can recall. I have an ATSF document dated 1912 prepared for the ICC that uses the ATSF classes and does not include the ICC ones. I have a lot of ICC valuation sections for equipment and other ICC documents and have never seen these used.

Is this something peculiar to ATSF? I have not encountered them in any other roads diagram or class books.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Blessings!

Allen Stanley
Greer, SC

More Code/Class Questions

ALLEN STANLEY
 

After a bit more digging outside of the ICC codes there appears to be loco types and classes. Both use alpha, alpha/numeric and possibly even numeric only codes. Are these standard or road specific? I know classes would be but not sure on types.

Any help interpreting these are appreciated.

Blessings!!

Allen Stanley
Greer, SC

Re: ICC Class Codes

Jerry Dowling
 

Allan

Applying a little cryptology to the matter, clearly the first letter designates the number of pilot and/or trailing wheels. For example,

0/0 A
2/0 B
4/0 C
6/0 D?????
2/2 E
4/2 F
6/2 G????

The digit refers to the number of drivers on one side. This is odd of course as traditionally in the US we use the total drivers. The Brits as I recall describe locomotives by wheels on one side only.

2 (4 drivers)
3 (6 drivers)
4 (8 drivers)
5 (10 drivers)

Under my theory, the 4-6-0 should be C3 not CE.
I know this does not answer your basic query but thought I would throw it in. The designations are, of course, somewhat similar to Baldwin classes except BLW used letters for drivers.

Is this a leftover from USRA days?

I will root around in my stuff and see if I can find anything about ICC class codes.

Jerry

--- In steamlocorosters@..., "RAILDATA" <raildata@...> wrote:

Hi All,

While digging in some ATSF diagram books (ca 1920 & 1927) in the classification section they showed thier class codes as well as an ICC Class Code. Below is what they showed-

TYPE ICC SYMBOL
0-4-0 A2
0-6-0 A3
0-8-0 A4
4-6-0 CE
2-8-0 B4
2-10-0 B5
2-10-2 E5
4-4-0 C2
4-8-0 C4
4-4-2 F2
4-6-2 F3
2-6-0 B3
2-6-2 E3
2-10-4
2-8-4
2-6-6-2
4-8-2
4-6-4


I have never encountered these classes by the ICC before that I can recall. I have an ATSF document dated 1912 prepared for the ICC that uses the ATSF classes and does not include the ICC ones. I have a lot of ICC valuation sections for equipment and other ICC documents and have never seen these used.

Is this something peculiar to ATSF? I have not encountered them in any other roads diagram or class books.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Blessings!

Allen Stanley
Greer, SC

Re: ICC Class Codes

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Hi Jerry,
 
I figured it would probably work out to something like that but hadnt taken the time yet to work on it. You were correct on the 4-6-0 being a C3, my typo.
 
I came across this mess doing a little research for what I thought would be a quick run through on ATSF loco classes. I always thought they had only used the system of the class number being the first loco number of the new series. Found in some early diagrams they used one class for a loco and a similar one might be totally different. A 2-8-0 was something like C6 and later S4H, not actually but something like that as I dont have my notes handy. Later they were all standardized on road numbers but there is something going on. Then to confuse things another Class List FROM 1902 had them all called types and they were C, D, E, M, P, & T. A quick check seemd to indicate a type could cover 2 or more wheel arrangements. It is possible there were at least two short lived systems.
 
Type was another term I had not seen before as well or at least noticed. I have hundreds of diagram and class books and never recall any of this. On top of that I had an ATSF list of locos prepared for the ICC in 1912 that had a column named TYPE and gave whyte symbols, 4-4-0 etc. Football is starting and it is cold and rainy in SC all weekend so may get a bit of quality screen time to dig a bit more. Have a bunch of scanning on GC&L documents to do as well. Can you imagine SC in mid Aug with a high temp in the 60s? Time to start rereading the book of Revelation again.
 
Blessings!!
 
Allen
 
For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


John 3:16

From: Jerry
To: steamlocorosters@...
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:42 PM
Subject: [steamlocorosters] Re: ICC Class Codes
 

Allan

Applying a little cryptology to the matter, clearly the first letter designates the number of pilot and/or trailing wheels. For example,

0/0 A
2/0 B
4/0 C
6/0 D?????
2/2 E
4/2 F
6/2 G????

The digit refers to the number of drivers on one side. This is odd of course as traditionally in the US we use the total drivers. The Brits as I recall describe locomotives by wheels on one side only.

2 (4 drivers)
3 (6 drivers)
4 (8 drivers)
5 (10 drivers)

Under my theory, the 4-6-0 should be C3 not CE.
I know this does not answer your basic query but thought I would throw it in. The designations are, of course, somewhat similar to Baldwin classes except BLW used letters for drivers.

Is this a leftover from USRA days?

I will root around in my stuff and see if I can find anything about ICC class codes.

Jerry

--- In mailto:steamlocorosters%40yahoogroups.com, "RAILDATA" wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> While digging in some ATSF diagram books (ca 1920 & 1927) in the classification section they showed thier class codes as well as an ICC Class Code. Below is what they showed-
>
> TYPE ICC SYMBOL
> 0-4-0 A2
> 0-6-0 A3
> 0-8-0 A4
> 4-6-0 CE
> 2-8-0 B4
> 2-10-0 B5
> 2-10-2 E5
> 4-4-0 C2
> 4-8-0 C4
> 4-4-2 F2
> 4-6-2 F3
> 2-6-0 B3
> 2-6-2 E3
> 2-10-4
> 2-8-4
> 2-6-6-2
> 4-8-2
> 4-6-4
>
>
> I have never encountered these classes by the ICC before that I can recall. I have an ATSF document dated 1912 prepared for the ICC that uses the ATSF classes and does not include the ICC ones. I have a lot of ICC valuation sections for equipment and other ICC documents and have never seen these used.
>
> Is this something peculiar to ATSF? I have not encountered them in any other roads diagram or class books.
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
>
> Blessings!
>
> Allen Stanley
> Greer, SC
>

ATSF CLASSES SUMMARY

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Hi All,

After looking at hundreds of diagrams and other data I think I have been able to make some sense of the ATSF class question. As I suspected there were two earlier systems used. If I had some earlier diagram books or class lists I could completely document the first one as well as the other two.

The ICC Symbol list, though appearing in diagram books from 1920 & 1927 appear to have no commonality with anything. Their inclusion is a mystery as I still cant find them in any other roads diagram books or mention of them elsewhere. I also checked some ICC boiler reports, accident reports, boiler inspections lists, and equipment valuations and find no mention of them there either. I am sure they had some purpose somewhere sometime as their way to identify a locomotive type, but must have fallen out of use or never fully adopted.

The last ATSF classification system used is what most everyone is familiar with. Basically, the first road number of a series of locomotives that were the same in design or characteristics was the class for that group. An example would be Class 1 which included locos numbered 1-5 and Class 6 which included locos numbered 6-12. The next Class was 14. Loco number 13 was scrapped 11/1912. With renumbering and dispositions this system was probably quite complicated as well.

The system used previous to this one can be pretty well documented with the materials I have at hand. Using the ATSF 7/1902 General Engine Data list there appears a system using a letter to denote a wheel arrangement. These were as follows- C for 2-8-0, D for 2-10-0, E for 4-4-0, M for 2-6-0, P for 2-6-2, & T for 4-6-0. Noticeably missing were classes for all switchers and the 4-8-0s and possibly others as I didn't dig more beyond here. The switchers were shown 4 WHL or 6 WHL and the 4-8-0s shown 12 WHL. More on those later.

This second system is similar to that used by many roads at one point in time or another. If we look at Class E 4-4-0 we might see E1, E2, etc and then even further subclasses such as E2A, E2B, etc. It got to be very cumbersome as well I am sure, but any road with that many locos is going to have some pains in whatever system is used.

I do not have a way to pinpoint when this second system came into use. Using build dates and diagram revision dates on some diagrams I can conclude the changeover to the last system was probably 1902-1903. I have diagrams revised 8/1902 with the second class still shown and another revised 6/20/1903 with the last system, and others in between. With as many diagrams and other associated paperwork this process must have taken some time. The 4-6-2s & 2-10-2s were built starting in 1903/1904 and they are all in the new system.

There are few clues when the first system came about or when the change to the second happened. The 7/1902 General Engine Description asks some questions that if able to be answered might give some indication. For instance why where there no classifications for all the switchers? How about the 4-8-0s? Diagrams for the switchers give some idea of the class system used. For instance I have diagrams of 0-4-0s classed S4B, 0-6-0s classed S6B through S6I. This makes sense at first glance- 4 wheel or 6 wheel switching locomotives.

Now comes the confusion. A few early 2-8-0 diagrams are showing classes SCA, SCG & SCH. A 4-6-0 diagram was class STA. This was as far as I could go with the early class system.

Hopefully this has been useful. I welcome comments, corrections, additions etc. What was thought to be a quick and easy exercise to add classes to a couple of ATSF digital rosters opened a can of worms that will hopefully add something to history. If anyone could provide copies or scans of diagram books or Descriptions of Locomotives from before 1900 and between 1902 and 1920 they would be very helpful and I would continue to flesh the systems out and perhaps get some better ideas of datings.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Blessings!

Allen Stanley
Railroad Data Exchange
Greer, SC

C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions

ALLEN STANLEY
 

While looking through my Chicago & North Western roster last night I discovered there were between 800-900 locos with no dispositions other than "on road 1948". None of my sources have shed any additional info. Anyone out there have any listings at all for these late locos?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Blessings!

Allen Stanley
Railroad Data Exchange
Greer, SC

Re: C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions

Doug Cummings
 

I have dates for many C&NW locos, even into the 1950's but it is not complete and I have no dates for some. Some are "sold scrap" dates, some are month and year, some are year only. Very few have specific (day/month/year) dates.

 

From: steamlocorosters@... [mailto:steamlocorosters@...] On Behalf Of raildata@...
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:55 AM
To: steamlocorosters@...
Subject: [steamlocorosters] C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions

 

 

While looking through my Chicago & North Western roster last night I discovered there were between 800-900 locos with no dispositions other than "on road 1948". None of my sources have shed any additional info. Anyone out there have any listings at all for these late locos?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Blessings!

Allen Stanley
Railroad Data Exchange
Greer, SC

Re: C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Thanks Doug,
 
I've attached a couple of files. One is the roster I have and the other a list of the later missing dates. Any additions, corrections etc are appreciated.
 
Blessings!
 
Allen
 
For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


John 3:16

From: Doug Cummings
To: steamlocorosters@...
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: [steamlocorosters] C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions
 
I have dates for many C&NW locos, even into the 1950&apos;s but it is not complete and I have no dates for some. Some are "sold scrap" dates, some are month and year, some are year only. Very few have specific (day/month/year) dates.
 
From: steamlocorosters@... [mailto:steamlocorosters@...] On Behalf Of raildata@...
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:55 AM
To: steamlocorosters@...
Subject: [steamlocorosters] C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions
 
 
While looking through my Chicago & North Western roster last night I discovered there were between 800-900 locos with no dispositions other than "on road 1948". None of my sources have shed any additional info. Anyone out there have any listings at all for these late locos?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Blessings!

Allen Stanley
Railroad Data Exchange
Greer, SC

Re: C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions [2 Attachments]

Doug Cummings
 

It is going to take me awhile to go through this. But I checked one, BALD 61100 (C&NW 3029), and I show retired 29Dec54.

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Allen Stanley included below]

Thanks Doug,

 

I've attached a couple of files. One is the roster I have and the other a list of the later missing dates. Any additions, corrections etc are appreciated.

 

Blessings!

 

Allen

 

For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

John 3:16

 

From: Doug Cummings <dougcummings@...>
To: steamlocorosters@...
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: [steamlocorosters] C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions

 

I have dates for many C&NW locos, even into the 1950&apos;s but it is not complete and I have no dates for some. Some are "sold scrap" dates, some are month and year, some are year only. Very few have specific (day/month/year) dates.

 

From: steamlocorosters@... [mailto:steamlocorosters@...] On Behalf Of raildata@...
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:55 AM
To: steamlocorosters@...
Subject: [steamlocorosters] C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions

 

 

While looking through my Chicago & North Western roster last night I discovered there were between 800-900 locos with no dispositions other than "on road 1948". None of my sources have shed any additional info. Anyone out there have any listings at all for these late locos?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Blessings!

Allen Stanley
Railroad Data Exchange
Greer, SC

Re: C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Thanks Doug
 
Allen Stanley
 
For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


John 3:16

From: Doug Cummings
To: steamlocorosters@...
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: [steamlocorosters] C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions
 
It is going to take me awhile to go through this. But I checked one, BALD 61100 (C&NW 3029), and I show retired 29Dec54.
 
 
[Attachment(s) from Allen Stanley included below]
Thanks Doug,
 
I've attached a couple of files. One is the roster I have and the other a list of the later missing dates. Any additions, corrections etc are appreciated.
 
Blessings!
 
Allen
 
For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
John 3:16
 
From: Doug Cummings <dougcummings@...>
To: steamlocorosters@...
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: [steamlocorosters] C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions
 
I have dates for many C&NW locos, even into the 1950&apos;s but it is not complete and I have no dates for some. Some are "sold scrap" dates, some are month and year, some are year only. Very few have specific (day/month/year) dates.
 
From: steamlocorosters@... [mailto:steamlocorosters@...] On Behalf Of raildata@...
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:55 AM
To: steamlocorosters@...
Subject: [steamlocorosters] C&NW Steam Loco Missing Dispositions
 
 
While looking through my Chicago & North Western roster last night I discovered there were between 800-900 locos with no dispositions other than "on road 1948". None of my sources have shed any additional info. Anyone out there have any listings at all for these late locos?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

Blessings!

Allen Stanley
Railroad Data Exchange
Greer, SC

Montana Railroad - Clarksville Arkansas

arkrail2001
 

The Montana Railroad was a shortline existing in Johnson County Arkansas, built to connect a number of coal mines with the Missouri Pacific Central Division.

Can anyone provide any roster information for this line?  It is known to have had Shay c/n 1759 and also Baldwin 2-6-2  c/n 53164 at various times in its history, but specific dates of operation are unknown.

The negative lists of the Wm Monypeny collection show a Montana RR #4, 2-6-2, photographed at Clarksville AR in 1937.  Does anyone have a print from this negative?

Bill Pollard


Union Pacific 4-4-0 No. 165/573

eznky
 

Folks,

I'm looking for a photo of Union Pacific 4-4-0 number 165, later 573.  She was built by Taunton in 1870 and sold in 1901.

Any suggestions?


Eric Zabilka

Wilmore KY

Re: Union Pacific 4-4-0 No. 165/573

Robert Grady
 

Hi Eric, I've had occasion to search for pictures of the BU-C RR, which was a shortline in SC years ago.  What I do is search Ebay for sellers who have large amounts of photos for sale.  Chances are, they won't have anything listed I want, but I have a couple of times sent those sellers a message stating my wants.  At least twice I struck gold and got some really good pictures.  Kind of a long shot, but you gotta fish if you want to catch fish.

Good luck,

Robert

Re: Union Pacific 4-4-0 No. 165/573

eznky
 

It's a good approach Robert, and I've done the same thing for a couple of the other engines I'm tracing.  I'll reach out to some of the UP sellers.

Eric Zabilka
Wimore KY