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Re: Russian decapod question

GREG MAXWELL
 

Doug,

 

Thank you for the reply. Richard Prince has the following information in his Southern Railway System Locomotives and Boats:

ALCo-R c/n 58837 became USA #1023 to SRy #8000

ALCo-R c/n 58838 became USA #1024 to SRy #8001

ALCo-R c/n 58839 became USA #1025 to SRy #8002

ALCo-R c/n 58842 became USA #1028 to SRy #8005

ALCo-R c/n 58843 became USA #1029 to SRy #8006

ALCo-R c/n 58844 became USA #1030 to SRy #8007

(ALCo-R c/n 58867, 8010?? not listed)

ALCo-R c/n 58873 became USA #1059 to SRy #8016

Baldwin c/n 48420 became USA #1195 to SRy #8029

Baldwin c/n 48466 became USA #1196 to SRy #8030

If Prince’s USA # for Alco c/n 58839 is incorrect are these other numbers wrong as well?

Thanks for the help,

Greg Maxwell

Re: Russian decapod question

Doug Cummings
 

Alco 58839 was USA 1052 then Southern 8002 then NOT&M 112 and finally MoPac 942. 


From: "steamlocorosters"
To: "steamlocorosters"
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 3:25:36 PM
Subject: [steamlocorosters] Russian decapod question

 

I have another USRA locomotive question. According to Dr. Sylvan Wood, the MK&T was assigned 10 of the Russian decapods: #8000-8002, 8005-8007, 8010, 8016, 8029-30. As far as I can tell, these 8000 series numbers were given to the USA 2-10-0s by the Southern Railway. All of the engines with the exception of #8010 show up in Prince’s Southern locomotive book.  After its brief stay on the Katy, #8010 became SLSF #1623.  Can anyone tell me if Alco-Richmond c/n 58867 became USA #1033 then Southern Ry #8010, or is Wood’s roster in error. 


Another question is what was the disposition of Alco-Richmond c/n 58839. It was USA #1025, then Southern Ry #8002 to MK&T (US)8002 then the trail goes cold. any help?


Thank you in advance,

Greg Maxwell



Re: Russian decapod question

Doug Cummings
 

58867 did become SLSF 1623 eventually but was on Southern and MKT inbetween, but it is doubtful if MKT ever renumbered it. It was USA 1053 when built, then Southern 8010. 




I have another USRA locomotive question. According to Dr. Sylvan Wood, the MK&T was assigned 10 of the Russian decapods: #8000-8002, 8005-8007, 8010, 8016, 8029-30. As far as I can tell, these 8000 series numbers were given to the USA 2-10-0s by the Southern Railway. All of the engines with the exception of #8010 show up in Prince’s Southern locomotive book.  After its brief stay on the Katy, #8010 became SLSF #1623.  Can anyone tell me if Alco-Richmond c/n 58867 became USA #1033 then Southern Ry #8010, or is Wood’s roster in error. 


Another question is what was the disposition of Alco-Richmond c/n 58839. It was USA #1025, then Southern Ry #8002 to MK&T (US)8002 then the trail goes cold. any help?


Thank you in advance,

Greg Maxwell




Russian decapod question

GREG MAXWELL
 

I have another USRA locomotive question. According to Dr. Sylvan Wood, the MK&T was assigned 10 of the Russian decapods: #8000-8002, 8005-8007, 8010, 8016, 8029-30. As far as I can tell, these 8000 series numbers were given to the USA 2-10-0s by the Southern Railway. All of the engines with the exception of #8010 show up in Prince’s Southern locomotive book.  After its brief stay on the Katy, #8010 became SLSF #1623.  Can anyone tell me if Alco-Richmond c/n 58867 became USA #1033 then Southern Ry #8010, or is Wood’s roster in error. 


Another question is what was the disposition of Alco-Richmond c/n 58839. It was USA #1025, then Southern Ry #8002 to MK&T (US)8002 then the trail goes cold. any help?


Thank you in advance,

Greg Maxwell


Re: New York Central USRA 0-8-0s

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Don & All,

I have been interested in what happened to the USRA locos and why on many lines. Just as additional info on a 6/1919 ICC report for TRRA their 10 locos were shown as leased from USRA.

Allen Stanley


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On Wed, 1/24/18, Don Hensley donnie@... [steamlocorosters] <steamlocorosters@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [steamlocorosters] New York Central USRA 0-8-0s
To: "steamlocorosters@..." <steamlocorosters@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 7:05 PM


 









Greg,

 51847, built
June, 1919 to MKT as US Govt #39, returned in March, 1920 to
US Govt., to C.C.C. & St. Louis #7449, Class U-3a, to
NYC 7749 in 1936, retired in Feb., 1959, scrapped April,
1959.
 51848, MKT as US Govt #40, returned in
March, 1920 to US Govt. to NYC #406,
Class U-3a, to NYC #7806 in 1936, retired in July of
1954
51849, MKT as US
Govt #41, returned in
March, 1920 to US Govt. to NYC #414,
to NYC #7814 in 1936, retired in 1954
51850, MKT as US Govt #42 returned in
March, 1920 to US Govt. to NYC #410,
NYC #7810 in 1936, retired April 1953 nd scrapped in June of
1953.
 51851,MKT as US Govt #43  returned in
March, 1920 to US Govt.to NYC#409,
NYC#7809 in 1936, retired Oct. 1953 and scrapped in
1954.
 51896, MKT as US Govt#44,  returned in
March, 1920 to US Govt.to NYC#413,
NYC#7813 in 1936, retired Feb, 1953 and scrapped in
June
51897, MKT as US Govt #45 returned in
March, 1920 to US Govt. to NYC #411,
NYC#7811 in 1936, retired in Aug of 1956.
51898, MKT as US Govt #46,  returned in March,
1920 to US Govt.to NYC #408, NYC #7808 in 1936, retired Feb
1956
51899, MKT as US Govt #47,  returned in March,
1920 to US Govt., to NYC #412, NYC #7812 in 1936, retired in
March, 1952 and scrapped in April
51923, MKT as US Govt #48, returned in March,
1920 to US Goft, to NYC 407, to NYC #7807, retired Oct 1953,
scrapped in 1954

Looks
to me that they were just on loan to the MKT, as they kept
the US Govt numbers and were on the Katy for 9 months before
being returned to the US Govt and sold to the NYC (and the
lone CCC&St.L). Katy should have kept them as they had
long productive lives on the NYC.
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Hello,

In 1919 the USRA allotted

the MK&T 10 Baldwin-built USRA 0-8-0s. The Katy

refused  the engines and they went to the New York
Central. Can anyone give me the NYC (and

CCC&StL) locomotive numbers that correspond to the

following Baldwin builder's numbers: 51847, 51848,

51849, 51850, 51851, 51896, 51897, 51898, 51899, 51923,
and

if possible when they were received by the

NYC.

With best

regards,Greg

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Re: New York Central USRA 0-8-0s

GREG MAXWELL
 

Thank you to all who replied to my question about MK&T/NYC USRA 0-8-0s. Don Hensley has provided the information I was looking for. 

The numbers first assigned to these locomotives, #39-48, are numbers that fit into the MK&T's scheme. The Katy's 0-6-0 numbers end at #38. It is unclear why the MK&T did not purchase the government engines when the USRA relinquished control in March 1920. It was not because the Katy's mechanical department was unhappy with the design. In January 1920, the MK&T placed an order for 10 identical USRA copy 0-8-0s from Lima and assigned them the same numbers. Before the engines were built, the MK&T tacked on an order for ten additional identical 0-8-0s. The amount the Katy paid Lima and what the USRA was charging differed by only $100. The Lima 0-8-0s were part of a large 60 locomotive. It could be that including the replacement 0-8-0s  in a large equipment trust benefited the MK&T financially as the company was in receivership at the time. Like the NYC's engines, the Katy's Lima 0-8-0s served the railroad well. In 1953 when steam came to an end on the M-K-T, 15 of the 20 Lima 0-8-0s were still in service.
 
Thank you again for the information,
Greg Maxwell

Re: New York Central USRA 0-8-0s

Don Hensley <donnie@...>
 

Greg,

 51847, built June, 1919 to MKT as US Govt #39, returned in March, 1920 to US Govt., to C.C.C. & St. Louis #7449, Class U-3a, to NYC 7749 in 1936, retired in Feb., 1959, scrapped April, 1959.

 51848, MKT as US Govt #40,
 returned in March, 1920 to US Govt. to NYC #406, Class U-3a, to NYC #7806 in 1936, retired in July of 1954

51849, MKT as US Govt #41, returned in March, 1920 to US Govt. to NYC #414, to NYC #7814 in 1936, retired in 1954

51850, MKT as US Govt #42
 returned in March, 1920 to US Govt. to NYC #410, NYC #7810 in 1936, retired April 1953 nd scrapped in June of 1953.

 51851,MKT as US Govt #43 
 returned in March, 1920 to US Govt.to NYC#409, NYC#7809 in 1936, retired Oct. 1953 and scrapped in 1954.

 51896, MKT as US Govt#44, 
 returned in March, 1920 to US Govt.to NYC#413, NYC#7813 in 1936, retired Feb, 1953 and scrapped in June

51897, MKT as US Govt #45
 returned in March, 1920 to US Govt. to NYC #411, NYC#7811 in 1936, retired in Aug of 1956.

51898, MKT as US Govt #46,  returned in March, 1920 to US Govt.to NYC #408, NYC #7808 in 1936, retired Feb 1956

51899, MKT as US Govt #47,  returned in March, 1920 to US Govt., to NYC #412, NYC #7812 in 1936, retired in March, 1952 and scrapped in April

51923, MKT as US Govt #48, returned in March, 1920 to US Goft, to NYC 407, to NYC #7807, retired Oct 1953, scrapped in 1954


Looks to me that they were just on loan to the MKT, as they kept the US Govt numbers and were on the Katy for 9 months before being returned to the US Govt and sold to the NYC (and the lone CCC&St.L). Katy should have kept them as they had long productive lives on the NYC.

Don
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Hello,
In 1919 the USRA allotted
the MK&T 10 Baldwin-built USRA 0-8-0s. The Katy
refused  the engines and they went to the New York Central. Can anyone give me the NYC (and
CCC&StL) locomotive numbers that correspond to the
following Baldwin builder's numbers: 51847, 51848,
51849, 51850, 51851, 51896, 51897, 51898, 51899, 51923, and
if possible when they were received by the
NYC.
With best
regards,Greg
Maxwell 









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Re: New York Central USRA 0-8-0s

ALLEN STANLEY
 

Hi Grerg,

Is your interest in USRA locos of NYC or what?? Dont see many people looking for roster data.

Blessings!

Allen Stanley
Greer, SC

For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

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On Wed, 1/24/18, EANDPNG@... [steamlocorosters] <steamlocorosters@...> wrote:

Subject: [steamlocorosters] New York Central USRA 0-8-0s
To: steamlocorosters@...
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 1:45 AM


 









Hello,
In 1919 the USRA allotted
the MK&T 10 Baldwin-built USRA 0-8-0s. The Katy
refused  the engines and they went to the New York Central. Can anyone give me the NYC (and
CCC&StL) locomotive numbers that correspond to the
following Baldwin builder's numbers: 51847, 51848,
51849, 51850, 51851, 51896, 51897, 51898, 51899, 51923, and
if possible when they were received by the
NYC.
With best
regards,Greg
Maxwell 









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Re: New York Central USRA 0-8-0s

Doug Cummings
 

They became NYC 7449 (in 1919) and 406, 4124, 410, 409, 413, 411, 408, 412 and 407 (in 1920) respectively. 



Hello,


In 1919 the USRA allotted the MK&T 10 Baldwin-built USRA 0-8-0s. The Katy refused  the engines and they went to the New York Central. Can anyone give me the NYC (and CCC&StL) locomotive numbers that correspond to the following Baldwin builder's numbers: 51847, 51848, 51849, 51850, 51851, 51896, 51897, 51898, 51899, 51923, and if possible when they were received by the NYC.


With best regards,

Greg Maxwell

 



New York Central USRA 0-8-0s

GREG MAXWELL
 

Hello,


In 1919 the USRA allotted the MK&T 10 Baldwin-built USRA 0-8-0s. The Katy refused  the engines and they went to the New York Central. Can anyone give me the NYC (and CCC&StL) locomotive numbers that correspond to the following Baldwin builder's numbers: 51847, 51848, 51849, 51850, 51851, 51896, 51897, 51898, 51899, 51923, and if possible when they were received by the NYC.


With best regards,

Greg Maxwell

 

Taplines has been updated

Don Hensley <donnie@...>
 

Good News Everybody,

Taplines has been updated.
The story of the Pennsboro & Harrisville RR
and Lorama RR of Ritchie County, WV

And

Russell Tedder has published his new book "Forest Rails"
on the Railroads of the Georgia Pacific Company.
Details here:

Thank You 
Don
 
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Taplines has been updated - Martel Lumber Company and the Ocala Southwestern Railroad

Don Hensley <donnie@...>
 

Taplines has been updated - Martel Lumber Company and the Ocala Southwestern Railroad 
The direct link is here:


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Re: Taplines has been updated!

Bob Yarger
 

Very nicely done.  The remains of Rodman's No. 12, later Lee Tidewater Cypress 18, are at Illinois Railway Museum today.  Thieves hacked off part of the front end at its former location when scrap prices were high.
 
Bob Yarger



From: "donnie@... [steamlocorosters]"
To: steamlocorosters@...
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2016 1:51 AM
Subject: [steamlocorosters] Taplines has been updated!



While most peoples weekends are on Saturday & Sunday, my weekends lately have fallen on Wednesday & Thursday. It was a busy weekend for me, I wrote and edited the Railway & Locomotive Historical Society Southeast Chapter's newsletter featuring the Mammoth Cave Railroad and put the finishing touches on my Taplines web site with the Ocklawaha Valley RR & Rodman Lumber Co. update. I redesign the home page in hopes of making it easier to navigate for smart phones. And to make it easier for me to update regularly. I have a large backlog of articles waiting for publication, so hopefully I can now easily make my updates. Future stories will feature the Lorama RR (P&H), Mount Mitchell RR and Graham County RR. 

The direct link is


Please let me know if there is any broken links.

Don





Taplines has been updated!

donnie@...
 

While most peoples weekends are on Saturday & Sunday, my weekends lately have fallen on Wednesday & Thursday. It was a busy weekend for me, I wrote and edited the Railway & Locomotive Historical Society Southeast Chapter's newsletter featuring the Mammoth Cave Railroad and put the finishing touches on my Taplines web site with the Ocklawaha Valley RR & Rodman Lumber Co. update. I redesign the home page in hopes of making it easier to navigate for smart phones. And to make it easier for me to update regularly. I have a large backlog of articles waiting for publication, so hopefully I can now easily make my updates. Future stories will feature the Lorama RR (P&H), Mount Mitchell RR and Graham County RR. 

The direct link is


Please let me know if there is any broken links.

Don


Taplines has been updated with the Ocklawaha Valley & Rodman Lumber Co.

Don Hensley <donnie@...>
 

While most peoples weekends are on Saturday & Sunday, my weekends lately have fallen on Wednesday & Thursday. It was a busy weekend for me, I wrote and edited the Railway & Locomotive Historical Society Southeast Chapter's newsletter featuring the Mammoth Cave Railroad and put the finishing touches on my Taplines web site with the Ocklawaha Valley RR & Rodman Lumber Co. update. I redesign the home page in hopes of making it easier to navigate for smart phones. And to make it easier for me to update regularly. I have a large backlog of articles waiting for publication, so hopefully I can now easily make my updates. Future stories will feature the Lorama RR (P&H), Mount Mitchell RR and Graham County RR. 

The direct link is


Please let me know if there is any broken links.

Don
 
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Re: Pinging Robert Grady

Robert Grady
 

Allen Stanley,
please contact me at rlgrady@...  thanks, Robert Grady


On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:04 PM, "Robert Grady jpcoordinator@... [steamlocorosters]" wrote:


 
Will do Allen


On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:12 PM, "Allen Stanley raildata@... [steamlocorosters]" wrote:


 
Hi Robert,

Please contact me off list.

Thanks,

Allen Stanley
Greer, SC
For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 1/18/15, Robert Grady jpcoordinator@... [steamlocorosters] wrote:

Subject: Re: [steamlocorosters] Rosters ETV&G in Particular
To: "steamlocorosters@..."
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2015, 9:09 AM


 









Hi
Allen,I'm
still working on the BU-C RR.   Still looking for the
elusive first locos purchased/leased/rented prior to 1905. 
Also looking for early  electric info for the same line. 
They had some passenger cars, and freight, but I haven't
found any records for their purchases.Robert Grady

On Saturday, January
17, 2015 7:04 PM, "'Doug Cummings'
dougcummings@... [steamlocorosters]"
wrote:



 









I have started a newsgroup called
LocomotiveWorld for just that purpose, to exchange data and
ask questions. But it need members to function properly. It
is a googlegroups group.     Hi All,
 For a group with well over a hundred members
interested in rosters this is an awfully quiet list. Is
anyone working on anything right now?
 I have finally started in earnest on my all
time Southern Ry roster set. I am working on the East
Tennessee Virginia & Georgia lineage right now. As with
any old rosters there are always voids in information,
particularly for the roads that went through the war. I have
a pretty good accounting of the East Tennessee &
Virginia and the East Tennessee & Georgia but with the
formation of the East Tennessee Virginia & Georgia
things get tough. I have an ETV&G 7/1870 annual report
which was the first one I believe with a list of 33 locos
but only the road numbers, builders, build date and cyl/drvr
specs and no real way to know which predecessor loco got
which number. The report says 39 locos were brought in and 6
had already been dropped. I can figure out a lot of the
locos by builder and specs but not many of the others. The
ones that were dropped are a real mystery.
 Has anyone seen any documentation on the early
ETV&G locos? The later ones are easier to track as many
were new.  One of the real mysteries
is a Portland loco on the ET&G. Portland only built a
handful for southern roads and I can account for most of
them. One says sold to the Lexington & Danville but the
L&D records don't show it. One Portland builders
list I have which was supposedly copied from the original
files up in Maine has a note for the L&D loco which says
sold to ET&G & named Kentucky. This is CN #55. On
the ET&G roster the name is John P King a noted Ga
citizen. The specs in the builders list are the same as what
the annual reports show so this is probably the same loco
later renamed.  Anyone have any ideas?
 Surely someone is working on some rosters. I
know Bob Lehmuth and Doug Cummings are working on builders
lists but how about anyone else. We all have a common
interest so how about starting some new projects and maybe
getting others involved? This data is vanishing along with
many of us still with an interest. Why not put our mutual
resources to work?  Allen
StanleyGreer, SC  
 





















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Re: Pinging Robert Grady

Robert Grady
 

Will do Allen


On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:12 PM, "Allen Stanley raildata@... [steamlocorosters]" wrote:


 
Hi Robert,

Please contact me off list.

Thanks,

Allen Stanley
Greer, SC
For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 1/18/15, Robert Grady jpcoordinator@... [steamlocorosters] wrote:

Subject: Re: [steamlocorosters] Rosters ETV&G in Particular
To: "steamlocorosters@..."
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2015, 9:09 AM


 









Hi
Allen,I'm
still working on the BU-C RR.   Still looking for the
elusive first locos purchased/leased/rented prior to 1905. 
Also looking for early  electric info for the same line. 
They had some passenger cars, and freight, but I haven't
found any records for their purchases.Robert Grady

On Saturday, January
17, 2015 7:04 PM, "'Doug Cummings'
dougcummings@... [steamlocorosters]"
wrote:



 









I have started a newsgroup called
LocomotiveWorld for just that purpose, to exchange data and
ask questions. But it need members to function properly. It
is a googlegroups group.     Hi All,
 For a group with well over a hundred members
interested in rosters this is an awfully quiet list. Is
anyone working on anything right now?
 I have finally started in earnest on my all
time Southern Ry roster set. I am working on the East
Tennessee Virginia & Georgia lineage right now. As with
any old rosters there are always voids in information,
particularly for the roads that went through the war. I have
a pretty good accounting of the East Tennessee &
Virginia and the East Tennessee & Georgia but with the
formation of the East Tennessee Virginia & Georgia
things get tough. I have an ETV&G 7/1870 annual report
which was the first one I believe with a list of 33 locos
but only the road numbers, builders, build date and cyl/drvr
specs and no real way to know which predecessor loco got
which number. The report says 39 locos were brought in and 6
had already been dropped. I can figure out a lot of the
locos by builder and specs but not many of the others. The
ones that were dropped are a real mystery.
 Has anyone seen any documentation on the early
ETV&G locos? The later ones are easier to track as many
were new.  One of the real mysteries
is a Portland loco on the ET&G. Portland only built a
handful for southern roads and I can account for most of
them. One says sold to the Lexington & Danville but the
L&D records don't show it. One Portland builders
list I have which was supposedly copied from the original
files up in Maine has a note for the L&D loco which says
sold to ET&G & named Kentucky. This is CN #55. On
the ET&G roster the name is John P King a noted Ga
citizen. The specs in the builders list are the same as what
the annual reports show so this is probably the same loco
later renamed.  Anyone have any ideas?
 Surely someone is working on some rosters. I
know Bob Lehmuth and Doug Cummings are working on builders
lists but how about anyone else. We all have a common
interest so how about starting some new projects and maybe
getting others involved? This data is vanishing along with
many of us still with an interest. Why not put our mutual
resources to work?  Allen
StanleyGreer, SC  
 





















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