South Bend 10 Heavy.


firefite Roenigk
 
Edited

I have a working SB10H, Only problems I took it apart about 10 years  ago. And then I went to my next shiny object. No time to put it back together.

Well, now I will sell all or buy the piece. I only have the large no attachments. Dave Cleveland Ohio 44138


Roger Bickers
 

Where are you located sir?


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 1:21 PM, firefite Roenigk via groups.io
<firefite@...> wrote:
I have a working SB10H, Only problems I took it apart about 10 years  ago. And then I went to my next shiny object. No time to put it back together.
Well, now I will sell all or buy the piece. I only have the large no attachments. Dave


mike allen
 

        what do you want for the reverse tumbler ?

        animal

On 9/4/2022 10:21 AM, firefite Roenigk via groups.io wrote:

I have a working SB10H, Only problems I took it apart about 10 years  ago. And then I went to my next shiny object. No time to put it back together.
Well, now I will sell all or buy the piece. I only have the large no attachments. Dave


firefite Roenigk
 

Cleveland Ohio 44138


firefite Roenigk
 

I want to see if I have any offers for the whole lathe. Dave


Roger Bickers
 

That'll be tough without any pictures of the bed to see bed wear.


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 2:25 PM, firefite Roenigk via groups.io
<firefite@...> wrote:
I want to see if I have any offers for the whole lathe. Dave


Rogan Creswick
 

If you're serious about selling the whole thing, for a halfway decent price, I think you should take the time to put it back together to show that it's all there and working.

I don't think you're trying to short anyone, but having just spent 6 years tearing apart and rebuilding a lathe, it's damned easy to just misplace a box of parts, or realize that the labels that made sense 10 years ago are jibberish now.


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022, 11:27 AM Roger Bickers via groups.io <mr.concrete1964=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
That'll be tough without any pictures of the bed to see bed wear.


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 2:25 PM, firefite Roenigk via groups.io
<firefite=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I want to see if I have any offers for the whole lathe. Dave


Jack Dinan
 

Oh how we’ve all been there.
Most recently for me, I took apart a simple Lionel locomotive to see why it wouldn’t run, documenting the steps.
And there the parts and screws sit on the bench awaiting a stroke of lightning to my brain.
Hopeless.


On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Rogan Creswick <creswick@...> wrote:

If you're serious about selling the whole thing, for a halfway decent price, I think you should take the time to put it back together to show that it's all there and working.

I don't think you're trying to short anyone, but having just spent 6 years tearing apart and rebuilding a lathe, it's damned easy to just misplace a box of parts, or realize that the labels that made sense 10 years ago are jibberish now.


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022, 11:27 AM Roger Bickers via groups.io <mr.concrete1964=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
That'll be tough without any pictures of the bed to see bed wear.


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 2:25 PM, firefite Roenigk via groups.io
<firefite=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I want to see if I have any offers for the whole lathe. Dave




eddie.draper@btinternet.com
 

Best of luck with that, Jack!


My second career (the unpaid one) here in the UK is engineering on heritage railways. Having now accumulated 53 years and many thousands of hours in that game at the rate of 2 or 3 days per week, I can herewith confidently state Draper's principles of machinery resurrection / overhaul / repair.


1. 90% of the population can take an asset to pieces, with minor guidance where there are hidden features that complicate matters. There is a surplus of enthusiastic operatives and they think they're helping by saving someone else's labour.

2. 10% of the population can put things back together and make them work.

3. Less than 5% of the population can properly make the bits that are needed for the 10% to do their job.

4. Assembly to working order takes on average 10 times as long as dismantling.

5. Making or finding the bits to allow assembly takes (depending upon what proportion are needed) 3 times as long as assembling them.

6. If it's a safety critical or grant aided accredited museum job, writing and managing the supporting documentation takes nearly as long as the assembly, and only 1% of the population either can or are inclined to do it.


You can do the sums and make up the results for yourselves. 3 rules result from this:


1. No dismantling occurs without the presence of the person who will be in charge of assembly. This is to ensure the capture of information like cam & fuel pump timing, conservation of parts that need to be copied, and the avoidance of damage, both visible and invisible such as the heating of fasteners that may have been heat treated.


2. The Independent Competent Person (ICP) and the Documentation Manager (DM) are appointed before ANY work starts.


3. The person in charge of assembly, the ICP and the DM must be likely to survive the duration of the project or have deputies that are.


Failure to understand the 6 concepts and comply with these 3 rules explains the multitude of locations that have acres of dismantled machinery awaiting restoration. Getting it right is exceptionally rewarding. I attach 3 photos showing during and after shots at my railway.


Final comment. Everyone thinks they can paint! Unfortunately only 5% of the population have heard of preparation, and that takes 10 times as long as putting on the paint properly.


People can be trained to transition between the various levels, indeed they must, otherwise all would be in level 1. It can be very hard work.


Seek inspiration with and from your work,


Eddie







------ Original Message ------
From: "Jack Dinan" <jack@...>
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 4 Sep, 22 At 22:14
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] South Bend 10 Heavy.

Oh how we’ve all been there.
Most recently for me, I took apart a simple Lionel locomotive to see why it wouldn’t run, documenting the steps.
And there the parts and screws sit on the bench awaiting a stroke of lightning to my brain.
Hopeless.


On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Rogan Creswick <creswick@...> wrote:

If you're serious about selling the whole thing, for a halfway decent price, I think you should take the time to put it back together to show that it's all there and working.

I don't think you're trying to short anyone, but having just spent 6 years tearing apart and rebuilding a lathe, it's damned easy to just misplace a box of parts, or realize that the labels that made sense 10 years ago are jibberish now.


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022, 11:27 AM Roger Bickers via groups.io <mr.concrete1964=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
That'll be tough without any pictures of the bed to see bed wear.


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 2:25 PM, firefite Roenigk via groups.io
<firefite=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I want to see if I have any offers for the whole lathe. Dave




Jack Dinan
 

Eddie: Excellent read. Many thanks for posting.

On Sep 5, 2022, at 5:20 AM, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper@...> wrote:

Best of luck with that, Jack!

My second career (the unpaid one) here in the UK is engineering on heritage railways. Having now accumulated 53 years and many thousands of hours in that game at the rate of 2 or 3 days per week, I can herewith confidently state Draper's principles of machinery resurrection / overhaul / repair.

1. 90% of the population can take an asset to pieces, with minor guidance where there are hidden features that complicate matters. There is a surplus of enthusiastic operatives and they think they're helping by saving someone else's labour.
2. 10% of the population can put things back together and make them work.
3. Less than 5% of the population can properly make the bits that are needed for the 10% to do their job.
4. Assembly to working order takes on average 10 times as long as dismantling.
5. Making or finding the bits to allow assembly takes (depending upon what proportion are needed) 3 times as long as assembling them.
6. If it's a safety critical or grant aided accredited museum job, writing and managing the supporting documentation takes nearly as long as the assembly, and only 1% of the population either can or are inclined to do it.

You can do the sums and make up the results for yourselves. 3 rules result from this:

1. No dismantling occurs without the presence of the person who will be in charge of assembly. This is to ensure the capture of information like cam & fuel pump timing, conservation of parts that need to be copied, and the avoidance of damage, both visible and invisible such as the heating of fasteners that may have been heat treated.

2. The Independent Competent Person (ICP) and the Documentation Manager (DM) are appointed before ANY work starts.

3. The person in charge of assembly, the ICP and the DM must be likely to survive the duration of the project or have deputies that are.

Failure to understand the 6 concepts and comply with these 3 rules explains the multitude of locations that have acres of dismantled machinery awaiting restoration. Getting it right is exceptionally rewarding. I attach 3 photos showing during and after shots at my railway.

Final comment. Everyone thinks they can paint! Unfortunately only 5% of the population have heard of preparation, and that takes 10 times as long as putting on the paint properly.

People can be trained to transition between the various levels, indeed they must, otherwise all would be in level 1. It can be very hard work.

Seek inspiration with and from your work,

Eddie






------ Original Message ------
From: "Jack Dinan" <jack@...>
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 4 Sep, 22 At 22:14
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] South Bend 10 Heavy.

Oh how we’ve all been there.
Most recently for me, I took apart a simple Lionel locomotive to see why it wouldn’t run, documenting the steps.
And there the parts and screws sit on the bench awaiting a stroke of lightning to my brain.
Hopeless.


On Sep 4, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Rogan Creswick <creswick@...> wrote:

If you're serious about selling the whole thing, for a halfway decent price, I think you should take the time to put it back together to show that it's all there and working.

I don't think you're trying to short anyone, but having just spent 6 years tearing apart and rebuilding a lathe, it's damned easy to just misplace a box of parts, or realize that the labels that made sense 10 years ago are jibberish now.


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022, 11:27 AM Roger Bickers via groups.io <mr.concrete1964=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
That'll be tough without any pictures of the bed to see bed wear.


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 2:25 PM, firefite Roenigk via groups.io
<firefite=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I want to see if I have any offers for the whole lathe. Dave



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