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A local feller has this for sale for 200. Says it opens 6" and weighs 70#. Anyone know what model it is and if it's a good deal? |
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Jack Reynolds
Buying a used vice is like buying a used car. If you do not inspect it and try it out it is impossible to determine value. An eighty year old heavy vise which has had little use and been kept clean and oiled is worth more than a modern one of similar specifications imported from God knows where. Is the outside all banged up where it has been used as an anvil? Do the jaw faces line up readily when it is closed, or has someone used it to bend truck axles? Do the jaws stay parallel and level over the 6" of travel? Does the screw move the same over its complete travel? Price a couple of supposedly good new vises (Wilton comes to mind, although who knows where they are made now) and then go look at it and check it out. Given how the prices of everything are soaring, the $200 may be ok but may be negotiable. The 70 lbs marks it as a heavy duty vise. It is a matter of condition, condition, condition. Go Look at it! I may be wrong, but I doubt there are a bunch of crazy vice collectors out there so it's value is based on its utility. Hope this helps. Jack Jack On 2/28/2023 12:50 AM, Nick Andrews
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Looking at the picture, the vise appears to be in good shape, but you need to inspect it. Rock Island vises are good vises. The thing that bothers me with the one shown is it only has the name cast on it. Older vises have the model number and USA cast on them. I don’t know the history but wouldn’t be surprised if the name/business was bought out and now cast overseas. If it is a USA model, I would grab it. AL
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Nick Andrews
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A local feller has this for sale for 200. Says it opens 6" and weighs 70#. Anyone know what model it is and if it's a good deal? |
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Andrei
Go check it out. The picture is never worth 1000 words and never worth anything near a visit to kick the tires. It has potential to be something.
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From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:50:33 AM To: sheldonlathe@groups.io <sheldonlathe@groups.io>; SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>; Metal-Shapers-and-Planers@groups.io <Metal-Shapers-and-Planers@groups.io>; BridgeportMill@groups.io <BridgeportMill@groups.io> Subject: [SouthBendLathe] OT, old vises ID A local feller has this for sale for 200. Says it opens 6" and weighs 70#. Anyone know what model it is and if it's a good deal?
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Rock Island was a US Government Arsenal. Rock Island vices I'd never heard of. A search brought this: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/rock-island-vises-history-info.124285/ Also so one on eBay asking price of $320... Claims they're collectable. Looks good to me. Only large vise I own is a leg vise that looks home/hand made. Be nice to have one like that. Looks like a machinist vise to me, no anvil area. If it isn't beat up and cracked it sounds like a deal to me. Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:50:52 PM CST, Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:
A local feller has this for sale for 200. Says it opens 6" and weighs 70#. Anyone know what model it is and if it's a good deal?
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Andrei
I always laugh when people call normal, everyday tools "collectable".
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From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 8:48:58 AM To: southbendlathe@groups.io <southbendlathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] OT, old vises ID Rock Island was a US Government Arsenal. Rock Island vices I'd never heard of. A search brought this: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/rock-island-vises-history-info.124285/
Also so one on eBay asking price of $320... Claims they're collectable. Looks good to me. Only large vise I own is a leg vise that looks home/hand made. Be nice to have one like that. Looks like a machinist vise to me, no anvil area.
If it isn't beat up and cracked it sounds like a deal to me.
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
SEMPER GUMBY!
Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:50:52 PM CST, Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:
A local feller has this for sale for 200. Says it opens 6" and weighs 70#. Anyone know what model it is and if it's a good deal?
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In one way, I'm a collector of tool. I collect them to use. Though on any given day, I may be out in the shop stroking one or more of my tools lasciviously. ;) This past couple of weeks I've been replacing the water heater, stove, and dishwasher. A couple of the kitchen cabinets, sink and garbage disposal also. Still need to do caulking, and some trim work, a bit of wiring, and some more plumbing. Got car work to do, as well. Would have been nice to have working access to my lathe & mill, as the plate for the down-pipe from the disposer was a sloppy fit on the chromed brass down-pipe. Wound up using aluminum foil tape to close up the hole instead of making a new plate. Moen brand disposal. I'd broken the plastic down-pipe trying to use a PVC pipe shear on it. After market metal down-pipe. I have GOT to get some time to put the shop back together. Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 07:51:41 AM CST, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
I always laugh when people call normal, everyday tools "collectable".
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 8:48:58 AM To: southbendlathe@groups.io <southbendlathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] OT, old vises ID Rock Island was a US Government Arsenal. Rock Island vices I'd never heard of. A search brought this: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/rock-island-vises-history-info.124285/
Also so one on eBay asking price of $320... Claims they're collectable. Looks good to me. Only large vise I own is a leg vise that looks home/hand made. Be nice to have one like that. Looks like a machinist vise to me, no anvil area.
If it isn't beat up and cracked it sounds like a deal to me.
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
SEMPER GUMBY!
Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:50:52 PM CST, Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:
A local feller has this for sale for 200. Says it opens 6" and weighs 70#. Anyone know what model it is and if it's a good deal?
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Rick
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:51 AM, Andrei wrote:
I always laugh when people call normal, everyday tools "collectable".Everything was normal stuff until it became collectible! |
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Andrei
If I use it, it is not collectable. If I stick it in a glass cabinet to gawk at, it is collectable. People have some severely misguided ideas about what is and what is not collectable in this world. Of course, I don't care. It is their money and time they are
spending. I just learned that I own a little more common sense when it comes to practical things.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Rick <vwrick@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:27 AM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] OT, old vises ID On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 08:51 AM, Andrei wrote:
I always laugh when people call normal, everyday tools "collectable".Everything was normal stuff until it became collectible! |
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Bob Kellermann
Here is some info on Rockisland If in good shape 200 is a good price I’ve seen beat up ones go for 150 On Feb 28, 2023, at 9:39 AM, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
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mike allen
It could have a # on the other side . Looks to me that
this vise does not have replaceable jaws . You really have to give
a vise like this a couple of one overs looking for hairline cracks
. I bought a fairly nice old Craftsman vise many years back at a
yard sale for $ 20.00 . Turned out I got what I paid for , it
would keep coming loose when sawing so I kept my eyes on it when i
was sawing & I could see it moving . There was a hairline
crack that you couldn't see unless the vise was under pressure . I
doubt the lady I bought it from had any idea , it was her husbands
. animal On 2/28/2023 4:44 AM, ww_big_al wrote:
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mike allen
There's a guy in Sacramento area that rents a 10x10 space in a antique store , he buys old vises gives them a bath & a paint job & their instant classics . What makes things like this collectable is folks like the guys on American Pickers buy something on tv & boom there instantly worth $$$$$ animal On 2/28/2023 5:51 AM, Andrei wrote:
I always laugh when people call normal, everyday tools "collectable". |
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Mel Gross
It doesn’t matter where something is made as far as quality goes. What matters is the reputation of the company whose name is on it. Old devices may be very good quality - or they may not. Really old vises can be very good, but not as long term reliable. How worn is the screw and nut? That’s a major ask. It’s also a major problem. Since the handle doesn’t seem bent, likely a pipe hasn’t been used. If a vise handle is gent, stay away. Far away!
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Mel On Feb 28, 2023, at 1:43 PM, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
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Jack Reynolds
I have had a love affair with old Mustangs since I had one in college. I saw an ad in the paper years ago where a guy on the east side of Detroit had two 66 convertibles. I called and went over to look. They were gorgeous, but I don't believe he would have sold either one. He had a two car garage behind his house and that is where he kept these beauties. They filled the garage except for an upper loft with a set of stairs and a small woodstove. I was appropriately complimentary about his cars when his eyes glazed over and he got a far away look. He said you know sometimes on a winter night I just come out here, light a fire in the woodstove and stare at these cars. I suspect that some of the people on this list can understand this and may even have spent an hour or two admiring an oily South Bend! Jack On 2/28/2023 9:08 AM, Bill in OKC too
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Rick
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 09:39 AM, Andrei wrote:
Just because something is collectible, does not preclude me from using it. I restore antique motorbikes from the 1930’s-50’s, that doesn’t mean I don’t ride them. |
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mike allen
Except for a thumb plane all my planes are 75+ years old . I'd probably fight using some of my " jointing plane's " these days . animal On 2/28/2023 2:59 PM, Rick wrote:
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Steven Schlegel
Animal, the steel in those old irons are superior to the steel in modern ones. Under magnification, the old irons look like a mountain range, but they will make shavings you can read through. The added weight from the thickness of the castings
are helpful driving the plane through wood. Unless you can afford Houck or Japanese irons, those old planes are great.
Steven
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of mike allen <animal@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 4:42:39 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] OT, old vises ID Except for a thumb plane all my planes are 75+ years old . I'd probably fight using some of my " jointing plane's " these days . animal On 2/28/2023 2:59 PM, Rick wrote:
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He still has it. Added more pics. Gonna see about going to check it out. On Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 11:50 PM Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:
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Andrei
Try bargaining a little. You never know. Judging by the pictures, it should be OK, but nothing compares to you putting your hands on it and checking it out.
The old vises are much better than the new chinese garbage sold for 50 bucks. The gray cast iron used was 50,000+ psi and the new vises top out at around 30,000, making them lighter duty.
Of course, any vise is better than no vise, at least until you get a really good one.
Wilton still makes vises in USA and sells them for 600 bucks, new, versus the chinesium ones that go for a couple of hundred.
Gressel and Heuer from Germany use cast steel and their vises are lighter but just as strong as cast iron. Of course, they cost a boat load. A fully loaded vise can be over 1000 bucks, while the basic one runs about 500, depending where you buy it.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 10:26 AM To: sheldonlathe@groups.io <sheldonlathe@groups.io>; SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>; Metal-Shapers-and-Planers@groups.io <Metal-Shapers-and-Planers@groups.io>; BridgeportMill@groups.io <BridgeportMill@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] OT, old vises ID He still has it. Added more pics. Gonna see about going to check it out.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 11:50 PM Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:
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Check this one out! No thanks on this one for that much. On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 9:35 AM Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:
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