follow up to my follow up
Erik A
Or put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2
degrees off.
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see?
Erik A
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Or put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see?
Erik A
Eddie
------ Original Message ------
From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
General advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.
As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see?
Erik A
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 4:10 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Eddie
------ Original Message ------
From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
General advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.
As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see?
Erik A
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
Eddie
------ Original Message ------
From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
General advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.
As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see?
Erik A
Erik A
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
Eddie
------ Original Message ------
From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
General advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.
As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see?
Erik A
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.What am I missing?
Erik A
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upHmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.SEMPER GUMBY!
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------
From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
General advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.
As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see?
Erik A
--
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.What am I missing?
Erik A
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upHmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.SEMPER GUMBY!
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------
From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
General advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.
As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see?
Erik A
--
1629 Riverview Drive. Apt 416
Deerfield Beach, FL 33441
On Nov 16, 2022, at 7:42 AM, E A <b-arch@...> wrote:All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.What am I missing?
Erik A_._,_._,_
--
Jim B
It's been quit some time since I turned a taper & I don't have my lathe in front ot me , but I'm Take it to 90 deg & back it off 5 deg " ( 85 deg ) ?
animal
animal
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.What am I missing?
Erik A
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upHmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.SEMPER GUMBY!
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper@...> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...> To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upGeneral advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see? Erik A
I forgot to put the protractor in my last mail . set it on
your chuck & the compound .
animal
Allan is right, the markings are not very accurate, but you can set an angle with only one indicator:
- Set the compound at the approximate angle with the markings.
- Mount an indicator on the compound perpendicular to the work, and on center height.
- Do some math: Find the short side length of a right triangle with a hypotenuse of a known length, like 1.000", and the angle you are trying to hit, like 5 degrees. This would be 0.0872".
- When you traverse the compound by the hypotenuse length 1.000", the indicator dial should move the length of the triangle side you calculated: 0.0872"
- Adjust the compound angle until you can hit the correct number. This is tedious but it should get you very close.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 06:56:44 AM CST, m. allan noah <kitno455@...> wrote:
The markings are never accurate enough. If the angle is critical, you make test cuts and measure the workpiece. One way is to test the fit with marking blue and a matching socket. Another way is to measure the workpiece using a pair of dial indicators (one measuring the long feed, one on the cross slide measuring the work). There are other ways, but I find them less accurate or more complex.
allan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM E A <b-arch@...> wrote:
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.What am I missing?
Erik A
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upHmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.SEMPER GUMBY!
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...> To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upGeneral advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see? Erik A
--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"
I forgot to put the protractor in my last mail . set it on your chuck & the compound .
animal
On 11/16/2022 7:33 AM, Tyler via groups.io wrote:
Allan is right, the markings are not very accurate, but you can set an angle with only one indicator:
- Set the compound at the approximate angle with the markings.
- Mount an indicator on the compound perpendicular to the work, and on center height.
- Do some math: Find the short side length of a right triangle with a hypotenuse of a known length, like 1.000", and the angle you are trying to hit, like 5 degrees. This would be 0.0872".
- When you traverse the compound by the hypotenuse length 1.000", the indicator dial should move the length of the triangle side you calculated: 0.0872"
- Adjust the compound angle until you can hit the correct number. This is tedious but it should get you very close.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 06:56:44 AM CST, m. allan noah <kitno455@...> wrote:
The markings are never accurate enough. If the angle is critical, you make test cuts and measure the workpiece. One way is to test the fit with marking blue and a matching socket. Another way is to measure the workpiece using a pair of dial indicators (one measuring the long feed, one on the cross slide measuring the work). There are other ways, but I find them less accurate or more complex.
allan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM E A <b-arch@...> wrote:
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.What am I missing?
Erik A
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upHmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.SEMPER GUMBY!
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...> To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upGeneral advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see? Erik A
--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"
MLA Tools has a cast kit to do this.
http://mlatoolbox.com/S-4382.html
Paula on practical machinist forum did a excellent writeup on making it.
https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/machining-a-t-slotted-cross-slide.177054/
Al
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 6:48 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
I wish the south bends had more flat (and machined) surfaces on the cross slide and compound for things like this.
It would be convenient to use an angle block / 1-2-3 block and run up against the chuck to set an angle like this, but there are few flat surfaces to set things against. I imagine you could make something that slid into the toolpost mounting T-Slot and registered against the machined sides of that (they are *probably* parallel to the dovetails...)
I was considering the other night the thought of machining / fabricating a cross slide with a toolholder--no compound--in order to have more fixturing options, greater rigidity, and machined surfaces for setups like this.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:13 AM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
I forgot to put the protractor in my last mail . set it on your chuck & the compound .
animal
On 11/16/2022 7:33 AM, Tyler via groups.io wrote:
Allan is right, the markings are not very accurate, but you can set an angle with only one indicator:
- Set the compound at the approximate angle with the markings.
- Mount an indicator on the compound perpendicular to the work, and on center height.
- Do some math: Find the short side length of a right triangle with a hypotenuse of a known length, like 1.000", and the angle you are trying to hit, like 5 degrees. This would be 0.0872".
- When you traverse the compound by the hypotenuse length 1.000", the indicator dial should move the length of the triangle side you calculated: 0.0872"
- Adjust the compound angle until you can hit the correct number. This is tedious but it should get you very close.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 06:56:44 AM CST, m. allan noah <kitno455@...> wrote:
The markings are never accurate enough. If the angle is critical, you make test cuts and measure the workpiece. One way is to test the fit with marking blue and a matching socket. Another way is to measure the workpiece using a pair of dial indicators (one measuring the long feed, one on the cross slide measuring the work). There are other ways, but I find them less accurate or more complex.
allan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM E A <b-arch@...> wrote:
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?
Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.
What am I missing?
Erik AFrom: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Hmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...> To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
General advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.
As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Or put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.
My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see? Erik A
--"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"
MLA Tools has a cast kit to do this.
http://mlatoolbox.com/S-4382.html
Paula on practical machinist forum did a excellent writeup on making it.
https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/machining-a-t-slotted-cross-slide.177054/
Al
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rogan Creswick
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 6:48 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
I wish the south bends had more flat (and machined) surfaces on the cross slide and compound for things like this.
It would be convenient to use an angle block / 1-2-3 block and run up against the chuck to set an angle like this, but there are few flat surfaces to set things against. I imagine you could make something that slid into the toolpost mounting T-Slot and registered against the machined sides of that (they are *probably* parallel to the dovetails...)
I was considering the other night the thought of machining / fabricating a cross slide with a toolholder--no compound--in order to have more fixturing options, greater rigidity, and machined surfaces for setups like this.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:13 AM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
I forgot to put the protractor in my last mail . set it on your chuck & the compound .
animal
On 11/16/2022 7:33 AM, Tyler via groups.io wrote:
Allan is right, the markings are not very accurate, but you can set an angle with only one indicator:
- Set the compound at the approximate angle with the markings.
- Mount an indicator on the compound perpendicular to the work, and on center height.
- Do some math: Find the short side length of a right triangle with a hypotenuse of a known length, like 1.000", and the angle you are trying to hit, like 5 degrees. This would be 0.0872".
- When you traverse the compound by the hypotenuse length 1.000", the indicator dial should move the length of the triangle side you calculated: 0.0872"
- Adjust the compound angle until you can hit the correct number. This is tedious but it should get you very close.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 06:56:44 AM CST, m. allan noah <kitno455@...> wrote:
The markings are never accurate enough. If the angle is critical, you make test cuts and measure the workpiece. One way is to test the fit with marking blue and a matching socket. Another way is to measure the workpiece using a pair of dial indicators (one measuring the long feed, one on the cross slide measuring the work). There are other ways, but I find them less accurate or more complex.
allan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM E A <b-arch@...> wrote:
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?
Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.
What am I missing?
Erik AFrom: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Hmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...> To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
General advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.
As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Or put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.
My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see? Erik A
--"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"
The dovetail is the elephant in the room . From looking at them its a pretty simple one to make " if " you have the ability to cut dovetails .
animal
Oh, that's interesting! Seems like a reasonable price, too. Especially if the T-slots are already milled.
The other thing I'd like to get out of this change is space to attach a DRO.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 3:59 PM ww_big_al <arknack@...> wrote:
MLA Tools has a cast kit to do this.
http://mlatoolbox.com/S-4382.html
Paula on practical machinist forum did a excellent writeup on making it.
https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/machining-a-t-slotted-cross-slide.177054/
Al
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rogan Creswick
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 6:48 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
I wish the south bends had more flat (and machined) surfaces on the cross slide and compound for things like this.
It would be convenient to use an angle block / 1-2-3 block and run up against the chuck to set an angle like this, but there are few flat surfaces to set things against. I imagine you could make something that slid into the toolpost mounting T-Slot and registered against the machined sides of that (they are *probably* parallel to the dovetails...)
I was considering the other night the thought of machining / fabricating a cross slide with a toolholder--no compound--in order to have more fixturing options, greater rigidity, and machined surfaces for setups like this.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:13 AM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
I forgot to put the protractor in my last mail . set it on your chuck & the compound .
animal
On 11/16/2022 7:33 AM, Tyler via groups.io wrote:
Allan is right, the markings are not very accurate, but you can set an angle with only one indicator:
- Set the compound at the approximate angle with the markings.
- Mount an indicator on the compound perpendicular to the work, and on center height.
- Do some math: Find the short side length of a right triangle with a hypotenuse of a known length, like 1.000", and the angle you are trying to hit, like 5 degrees. This would be 0.0872".
- When you traverse the compound by the hypotenuse length 1.000", the indicator dial should move the length of the triangle side you calculated: 0.0872"
- Adjust the compound angle until you can hit the correct number. This is tedious but it should get you very close.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 06:56:44 AM CST, m. allan noah <kitno455@...> wrote:
The markings are never accurate enough. If the angle is critical, you make test cuts and measure the workpiece. One way is to test the fit with marking blue and a matching socket. Another way is to measure the workpiece using a pair of dial indicators (one measuring the long feed, one on the cross slide measuring the work). There are other ways, but I find them less accurate or more complex.
allan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM E A <b-arch@...> wrote:
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?
Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.
What am I missing?
Erik AFrom: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Hmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...> To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
General advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.
As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Or put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.
My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see? Erik A
--"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"
I don't have a taper attachment for my lathe , but with
the prices for these things these days the only way I will ever
get one is
1. if it falls of a truck in front of my place (which is highly unlikely since I own the road & no one can drive by my place )
2. Someone wants to sell me one for nickels on the dollar
3. If I make one .
I'm guessin it will be 3 but anyways I do have the part
that bolts on to the back of the saddle , & that give me a
great place to put a indicator for checkin my work & setups
without getting in the way of anything . It would be
a real easy part to make & is super helpful. .
animal
I wish the south bends had more flat (and machined) surfaces on the cross slide and compound for things like this.
It would be convenient to use an angle block / 1-2-3 block and run up against the chuck to set an angle like this, but there are few flat surfaces to set things against. I imagine you could make something that slid into the toolpost mounting T-Slot and registered against the machined sides of that (they are *probably* parallel to the dovetails...)
I was considering the other night the thought of machining / fabricating a cross slide with a toolholder--no compound--in order to have more fixturing options, greater rigidity, and machined surfaces for setups like this.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:13 AM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
I forgot to put the protractor in my last mail . set it on your chuck & the compound .
animal
On 11/16/2022 7:33 AM, Tyler via groups.io wrote:
Allan is right, the markings are not very accurate, but you can set an angle with only one indicator:
- Set the compound at the approximate angle with the markings.
- Mount an indicator on the compound perpendicular to the work, and on center height.
- Do some math: Find the short side length of a right triangle with a hypotenuse of a known length, like 1.000", and the angle you are trying to hit, like 5 degrees. This would be 0.0872".
- When you traverse the compound by the hypotenuse length 1.000", the indicator dial should move the length of the triangle side you calculated: 0.0872"
- Adjust the compound angle until you can hit the correct number. This is tedious but it should get you very close.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 06:56:44 AM CST, m. allan noah <kitno455@...> wrote:
The markings are never accurate enough. If the angle is critical, you make test cuts and measure the workpiece. One way is to test the fit with marking blue and a matching socket. Another way is to measure the workpiece using a pair of dial indicators (one measuring the long feed, one on the cross slide measuring the work). There are other ways, but I find them less accurate or more complex.
allan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM E A <b-arch@...> wrote:
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.What am I missing?
Erik A
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upHmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.SEMPER GUMBY!
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...> To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upGeneral advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see? Erik A
--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
MLA Tools has a cast kit to do this.
http://mlatoolbox.com/S-4382.html
Paula on practical machinist forum did a excellent writeup on making it.
https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/machining-a-t-slotted-cross-slide.177054/
Al
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rogan Creswick
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 6:48 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
I wish the south bends had more flat (and machined) surfaces on the cross slide and compound for things like this.
It would be convenient to use an angle block / 1-2-3 block and run up against the chuck to set an angle like this, but there are few flat surfaces to set things against. I imagine you could make something that slid into the toolpost mounting T-Slot and registered against the machined sides of that (they are *probably* parallel to the dovetails...)
I was considering the other night the thought of machining / fabricating a cross slide with a toolholder--no compound--in order to have more fixturing options, greater rigidity, and machined surfaces for setups like this.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:13 AM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
I forgot to put the protractor in my last mail . set it on your chuck & the compound .
animal
On 11/16/2022 7:33 AM, Tyler via groups.io wrote:
Allan is right, the markings are not very accurate, but you can set an angle with only one indicator:
- Set the compound at the approximate angle with the markings.
- Mount an indicator on the compound perpendicular to the work, and on center height.
- Do some math: Find the short side length of a right triangle with a hypotenuse of a known length, like 1.000", and the angle you are trying to hit, like 5 degrees. This would be 0.0872".
- When you traverse the compound by the hypotenuse length 1.000", the indicator dial should move the length of the triangle side you calculated: 0.0872"
- Adjust the compound angle until you can hit the correct number. This is tedious but it should get you very close.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 06:56:44 AM CST, m. allan noah <kitno455@...> wrote:
The markings are never accurate enough. If the angle is critical, you make test cuts and measure the workpiece. One way is to test the fit with marking blue and a matching socket. Another way is to measure the workpiece using a pair of dial indicators (one measuring the long feed, one on the cross slide measuring the work). There are other ways, but I find them less accurate or more complex.
allan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM E A <b-arch@...> wrote:
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?
Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.
What am I missing?
Erik AFrom: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Hmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...> To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
General advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.
As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
Or put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:
So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.
My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see? Erik A
--"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 9:10 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow up
I don't have a taper attachment for my lathe , but with the prices for these things these days the only way I will ever get one is
1. if it falls of a truck in front of my place (which is highly unlikely since I own the road & no one can drive by my place )
2. Someone wants to sell me one for nickels on the dollar
3. If I make one .
I'm guessin it will be 3 but anyways I do have the part that bolts on to the back of the saddle , & that give me a great place to put a indicator for checkin my work & setups without getting in the way of anything . It would be a real
easy part to make & is super helpful. .
animal
I wish the south bends had more flat (and machined) surfaces on the cross slide and compound for things like this.
It would be convenient to use an angle block / 1-2-3 block and run up against the chuck to set an angle like this, but there are few flat surfaces to set things against. I imagine you could make something that slid into the toolpost mounting T-Slot and registered against the machined sides of that (they are *probably* parallel to the dovetails...)
I was considering the other night the thought of machining / fabricating a cross slide with a toolholder--no compound--in order to have more fixturing options, greater rigidity, and machined surfaces for setups like this.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:13 AM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
I forgot to put the protractor in my last mail . set it on your chuck & the compound .
animal
On 11/16/2022 7:33 AM, Tyler via groups.io wrote:
Allan is right, the markings are not very accurate, but you can set an angle with only one indicator:
- Set the compound at the approximate angle with the markings.
- Mount an indicator on the compound perpendicular to the work, and on center height.
- Do some math: Find the short side length of a right triangle with a hypotenuse of a known length, like 1.000", and the angle you are trying to hit, like 5 degrees. This would be 0.0872".
- When you traverse the compound by the hypotenuse length 1.000", the indicator dial should move the length of the triangle side you calculated: 0.0872"
- Adjust the compound angle until you can hit the correct number. This is tedious but it should get you very close.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 06:56:44 AM CST, m. allan noah <kitno455@...> wrote:
The markings are never accurate enough. If the angle is critical, you make test cuts and measure the workpiece. One way is to test the fit with marking blue and a matching socket. Another way is to measure the workpiece using a pair of dial indicators (one measuring the long feed, one on the cross slide measuring the work). There are other ways, but I find them less accurate or more complex.
allan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM E A <b-arch@...> wrote:
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.What am I missing?
Erik A
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upHmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by:Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.SEMPER GUMBY!
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...> To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upGeneral advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see? Erik A
--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"
I seen a couple of them . I have a bud that is a full blown machinist that I plan to get the pro's & cons of the different taper attachments he has on some of his lathes . I'll also show him some
of the tubes on them & see what he has to say about them . Seems that all the ones i see are for a short part @ 5-10 " . What if a guy wants to turn down & taper a rifle barrel . Does he do it
5 " at a time & then re-setup ? I'm thinking that if I make one it will be the length between centers on my lathe ?
animal
Mike, there are several videos o people making the taper attachments. Did not seem to be overly complicated.
PSI am not making one for myself.... ever
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of mike allen <animal@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 9:10 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upI don't have a taper attachment for my lathe , but with the prices for these things these days the only way I will ever get one is
1. if it falls of a truck in front of my place (which is highly unlikely since I own the road & no one can drive by my place )
2. Someone wants to sell me one for nickels on the dollar
3. If I make one .
I'm guessin it will be 3 but anyways I do have the part that bolts on to the back of the saddle , & that give me a great place to put a indicator for checkin my work & setups without getting in the way of anything . It would be a real easy part to make & is super helpful. .
animal
On 11/16/2022 3:47 PM, Rogan Creswick wrote:
I wish the south bends had more flat (and machined) surfaces on the cross slide and compound for things like this.
It would be convenient to use an angle block / 1-2-3 block and run up against the chuck to set an angle like this, but there are few flat surfaces to set things against. I imagine you could make something that slid into the toolpost mounting T-Slot and registered against the machined sides of that (they are *probably* parallel to the dovetails...)
I was considering the other night the thought of machining / fabricating a cross slide with a toolholder--no compound--in order to have more fixturing options, greater rigidity, and machined surfaces for setups like this.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 10:13 AM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
I forgot to put the protractor in my last mail . set it on your chuck & the compound .
animal
On 11/16/2022 7:33 AM, Tyler via groups.io wrote:
Allan is right, the markings are not very accurate, but you can set an angle with only one indicator:
- Set the compound at the approximate angle with the markings.
- Mount an indicator on the compound perpendicular to the work, and on center height.
- Do some math: Find the short side length of a right triangle with a hypotenuse of a known length, like 1.000", and the angle you are trying to hit, like 5 degrees. This would be 0.0872".
- When you traverse the compound by the hypotenuse length 1.000", the indicator dial should move the length of the triangle side you calculated: 0.0872"
- Adjust the compound angle until you can hit the correct number. This is tedious but it should get you very close.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 06:56:44 AM CST, m. allan noah <kitno455@...> wrote:
The markings are never accurate enough. If the angle is critical, you make test cuts and measure the workpiece. One way is to test the fit with marking blue and a matching socket. Another way is to measure the workpiece using a pair of dial indicators (one measuring the long feed, one on the cross slide measuring the work). There are other ways, but I find them less accurate or more complex.
allan
On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 7:42 AM E A <b-arch@...> wrote:
All, back to my original question... How does one cut an accurate taper (like 5 degrees or so) when the markings stop at 90?Am I going the wrong direction? If you rotate the compound the other direction, you theoretically can set it accurately, but then your hand interferes with the chuck.What am I missing?
Erik A
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 6:59 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upHmmm. I resemble that remark. :)
Bill in OKC
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On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:10:31 PM CST, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
That's 30" you can fill with antiques or junque. Seems to be what happens to me.
Eddie
------ Original Message ------ From: "Andrei" <calciu1@...> To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, 15 Nov, 22 At 20:24 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upGeneral advice is to keep the lathe 30 inches away from a wall, however, a human needs a minimum of 18 inches to fit somewhere.As usual, your mileage may vary.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Davis Johnson <davis@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2022 2:51 PM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] follow up to my follow upOr put the fixed mark in the rear? On mine at least. You either stand on your head or use a mirror. My guess is that they thought you would just walk around to the back. My lathe (and a great many others) is against a wall.
A previous owner added a mark in front, but they got it about 2 degrees off.
On 11/15/22 14:20, E A wrote:So per folks's suggestions, I turned a plug to fit into my ss tubing at 5 degrees, which worked perfectly.My question is about the compound slide... Why did SB stop the degree marks at 90? To set the compound up for my 5 degree cut, I had to overshoot 90, and take a guess as to what 5 degrees was. Did SB have some greater plan that I fail to see? Erik A
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