------ Original Message ------
From: "mike allen" <animal@...>
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 13 Nov, 22 At 18:54
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Broadbent Lathe

Thanks Edie , you must have some pretty darn stout centers for that lathe . I had a customer that had a Deutz for one of his wells . I don't remember if it was on a generator or a water pump .

If you know anything about ranchers , ( or at least the ones I have worked for ) maintenance is not in their dictionary . This unit sat in the middle of a huge valley in a pretty dusty environment.

I have no idea how old it was but the ranch hands hated it , but they kept it running with a lot of bailing wire & cussing .It was one of the louder diesels I've heard , but I'm sure the the lack of service may have played into the noise .They replaced it several years back , I think they found someone that wanted it .

That's pretty cool with the backgear on your crane . I have a old chain fall kinda like that which loop you pull on affects the speed of lift , which also reminds me a bud borrowed it quit some time ago . I need to call him & get that back .

Thanks again for the pics .

animal

On 11/12/2022 1:51 AM, eddie.draper@... via groups.io wrote:

Mike et al,

I'm not certain of the spindle bore on this one, but I'll measure it today and get back to you. I know it is less than 6", because it won't take a superheater flue for screwcutting the firebox end, which was a disappointment, but fitting the headstock centre is easier with the crane.

We didn't weigh the Peckett wheelset, but from knowledge of a comparable set of carriage or wagon wheels and express loco wheelsets, I'd guess around 1.5 tons at most.

I've taken a look at Tony's website and not found the correct picture there, so I guess I'm going to have to get in touch with him.

Deutz air cooled engines have a very high reputation for durability, so long as you keep the cooling fins and combustion air clean, and have an installation that allows plenty of airflow and segregates cold and hot from each other. The flywheel shown on the lathe is the Simplex loco one, not the standard Deutz, which is tiny by comparison and lives in a bellhousing. The Simplex loco one contains a massive single plate clutch, so the bell housing has to go, you need new engine mounts that don't need the bellhousing, and the starter has to hang out in space on an adapter plate, that was also made on the Broadbent, see attached.

The crane, incidentally, has a backgear 2 speed arrangement. With more than about 1.5 tons on the hook, you definitely need low gear, which brings a whole new meaning to "tedious". 3 operatives take it in 1 minute turns if you need to lift a big weight a long way, in the interests of speed. It was a free gift if we could get it out of the shed which it exactly fitted. Little details like that weren't going to stop me! It came from RAF Fauld, which Wikipedia knows a fair bit about, as one of its bomb dumps had a bit of a whoopsy. The sort of whoopsy that registered on seismometers in Norway.

Incidentally, I'm here because we have a SB 14.5" x 6' toolroom from October 1943, which has undetectable inaccuracy because it was refurbished by Sentinel of Shrewsbury (the steam lorry people, later Rolls Royce Diesels) in 1961, since when I don't think it has done much.

Eddie

------ Original Message ------ From: "mike allen" <animal@...> To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Sent: Saturday, 12 Nov, 22 At 00:02 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Broadbent Lathe

Thanks for getting back . The reading I did so far gives them a pretty darn good grade . The first one on Tony's site boasted a 3.125 spindle bore . The list of what shipped with the lathe was

also impressive . We used to have a family cabin that had my grandmothers baby grand piano that came around the Cape of Horn in the early 1900's , they built 3 walls & most of the 4th

wall . Then they shoved the piano in & finished the last wall , Just like your door they came up with a solution . I imagine it may be somewhat easier to get parts for our Deutz in your neck

of the wood's then over on the Pacific side of the US . I imagine you use your RAF lift a lot in that shop . I'm working on figuring out how to put some kind of lift in my new machine room .

I had a heart attack & a triple bypass several years back , I can still lift over 100 lbs but it has to be at shoulder height to accomplish that feet . How much does the gap part weigh ? I had

a really cherry RAF 1911 Colt that I gave my oldest last year for is birthday . A very accurate pistol . That pic wit the 2 wheels & axle , how much did that puppy weigh ?

Anyone want's to read about Eddie's lathe here's a link

http://www.lathes.co.uk/broadbent/

thanks animal

On 11/11/2022 1:55 PM, eddie.draper@... via groups.io wrote:

Mike, It isn't in Broadbent's current catalogue! 18" centre height, 10' between centres. 15 HP motor. Speed range from 7 to 235 rpm. Pure guesswork based on the S/N having a final group 1954 is that it was built in that year. Found it on ebay in Solihull an hour's drive away for less than a grand sterling in 2006. The chap driving the 10t crane lorry reckoned it weighs about 8.5 tonnes. I attach photos of it being delivered before we built the end wall of the shed (there's a roller shutter door there now), being positioned by picking up one end at a time with our 5 ton manual gantry crane made in 1938 for a RAF loco depot (!) and a job or 2 in progress. Worn & imprecise, but it works and we can live with it.

Eugene wheels are a small standard gauge Peckett built steam loco that wanted its journals turned, and the Duchess expansion link is off 46233 "Duchess of Sutherland" and wanted its trunnion bearing surfaces cleaning up. I had to take the gap piece out to do that. Boring out a dog end of axle is part of the renovation of my 2' gauge Orenstein & Koppel steam loco after I had discovered that the wheels could not be pressed off because the industrial owner had welded them on as part of building up their rear thrust faces. The new axles were made on here (each weighed about 123kg at start and came off the lathe at about 45kg due to the large thrust collars they incorporate). 4197 is repairing a flywheel to enable us to put a Deutz 4FL914 engine in a 60 HP Simplex loco in place of the original Dorman 3LB.

Cheers,

Eddie

------ Original Message ------ From: "mike allen" <animal@...> To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Sent: Friday, 11 Nov, 22 At 19:07 Subject: [SouthBendLathe] Broadbent Lathe Eddie I just did some reading on those Broadbent lathes . Which model do you have ? They seem to be very well thought out machines . animal

Mike et al,

I'm not certain of the spindle bore on this one, but I'll measure it today and get back to you. I know it is less than 6", because it won't take a superheater flue for screwcutting the firebox end, which was a disappointment, but fitting the headstock centre is easier with the crane.

We didn't weigh the Peckett wheelset, but from knowledge of a comparable set of carriage or wagon wheels and express loco wheelsets, I'd guess around 1.5 tons at most.

I've taken a look at Tony's website and not found the correct picture there, so I guess I'm going to have to get in touch with him.

Deutz air cooled engines have a very high reputation for durability, so long as you keep the cooling fins and combustion air clean, and have an installation that allows plenty of airflow and segregates cold and hot from each other. The flywheel shown on the lathe is the Simplex loco one, not the standard Deutz, which is tiny by comparison and lives in a bellhousing. The Simplex loco one contains a massive single plate clutch, so the bell housing has to go, you need new engine mounts that don't need the bellhousing, and the starter has to hang out in space on an adapter plate, that was also made on the Broadbent, see attached.

The crane, incidentally, has a backgear 2 speed arrangement. With more than about 1.5 tons on the hook, you definitely need low gear, which brings a whole new meaning to "tedious". 3 operatives take it in 1 minute turns if you need to lift a big weight a long way, in the interests of speed. It was a free gift if we could get it out of the shed which it exactly fitted. Little details like that weren't going to stop me! It came from RAF Fauld, which Wikipedia knows a fair bit about, as one of its bomb dumps had a bit of a whoopsy. The sort of whoopsy that registered on seismometers in Norway.

Incidentally, I'm here because we have a SB 14.5" x 6' toolroom from October 1943, which has undetectable inaccuracy because it was refurbished by Sentinel of Shrewsbury (the steam lorry people, later Rolls Royce Diesels) in 1961, since when I don't think it has done much.

Eddie

------ Original Message ------ From: "mike allen" <animal@...> To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Sent: Saturday, 12 Nov, 22 At 00:02 Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Broadbent Lathe

Thanks for getting back . The reading I did so far gives them a pretty darn good grade . The first one on Tony's site boasted a 3.125 spindle bore . The list of what shipped with the lathe was

also impressive . We used to have a family cabin that had my grandmothers baby grand piano that came around the Cape of Horn in the early 1900's , they built 3 walls & most of the 4th

wall . Then they shoved the piano in & finished the last wall , Just like your door they came up with a solution . I imagine it may be somewhat easier to get parts for our Deutz in your neck

of the wood's then over on the Pacific side of the US . I imagine you use your RAF lift a lot in that shop . I'm working on figuring out how to put some kind of lift in my new machine room .

I had a heart attack & a triple bypass several years back , I can still lift over 100 lbs but it has to be at shoulder height to accomplish that feet . How much does the gap part weigh ? I had

a really cherry RAF 1911 Colt that I gave my oldest last year for is birthday . A very accurate pistol . That pic wit the 2 wheels & axle , how much did that puppy weigh ?

Anyone want's to read about Eddie's lathe here's a link

http://www.lathes.co.uk/broadbent/

thanks animal

On 11/11/2022 1:55 PM, eddie.draper@... via groups.io wrote:

Mike, It isn't in Broadbent's current catalogue! 18" centre height, 10' between centres. 15 HP motor. Speed range from 7 to 235 rpm. Pure guesswork based on the S/N having a final group 1954 is that it was built in that year. Found it on ebay in Solihull an hour's drive away for less than a grand sterling in 2006. The chap driving the 10t crane lorry reckoned it weighs about 8.5 tonnes. I attach photos of it being delivered before we built the end wall of the shed (there's a roller shutter door there now), being positioned by picking up one end at a time with our 5 ton manual gantry crane made in 1938 for a RAF loco depot (!) and a job or 2 in progress. Worn & imprecise, but it works and we can live with it.

Eugene wheels are a small standard gauge Peckett built steam loco that wanted its journals turned, and the Duchess expansion link is off 46233 "Duchess of Sutherland" and wanted its trunnion bearing surfaces cleaning up. I had to take the gap piece out to do that. Boring out a dog end of axle is part of the renovation of my 2' gauge Orenstein & Koppel steam loco after I had discovered that the wheels could not be pressed off because the industrial owner had welded them on as part of building up their rear thrust faces. The new axles were made on here (each weighed about 123kg at start and came off the lathe at about 45kg due to the large thrust collars they incorporate). 4197 is repairing a flywheel to enable us to put a Deutz 4FL914 engine in a 60 HP Simplex loco in place of the original Dorman 3LB.

Cheers,

Eddie

------ Original Message ------ From: "mike allen" <animal@...> To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Sent: Friday, 11 Nov, 22 At 19:07 Subject: [SouthBendLathe] Broadbent Lathe Eddie I just did some reading on those Broadbent lathes . Which model do you have ? They seem to be very well thought out machines . animal

------ Original Message ------
From: "mike allen" <animal@...>
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 12 Nov, 22 At 00:02
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Broadbent Lathe

Thanks for getting back . The reading I did so far gives them a pretty darn good grade . The first one on Tony's site boasted a 3.125 spindle bore . The list of what shipped with the lathe was

also impressive . We used to have a family cabin that had my grandmothers baby grand piano that came around the Cape of Horn in the early 1900's , they built 3 walls & most of the 4th

wall . Then they shoved the piano in & finished the last wall , Just like your door they came up with a solution . I imagine it may be somewhat easier to get parts for our Deutz in your neck

of the wood's then over on the Pacific side of the US . I imagine you use your RAF lift a lot in that shop . I'm working on figuring out how to put some kind of lift in my new machine room .

I had a heart attack & a triple bypass several years back , I can still lift over 100 lbs but it has to be at shoulder height to accomplish that feet . How much does the gap part weigh ? I had

a really cherry RAF 1911 Colt that I gave my oldest last year for is birthday . A very accurate pistol . That pic wit the 2 wheels & axle , how much did that puppy weigh ?

Anyone want's to read about Eddie's lathe here's a link

http://www.lathes.co.uk/broadbent/

thanks animal

On 11/11/2022 1:55 PM, eddie.draper@... via groups.io wrote:

Mike, It isn't in Broadbent's current catalogue! 18" centre height, 10' between centres. 15 HP motor. Speed range from 7 to 235 rpm. Pure guesswork based on the S/N having a final group 1954 is that it was built in that year. Found it on ebay in Solihull an hour's drive away for less than a grand sterling in 2006. The chap driving the 10t crane lorry reckoned it weighs about 8.5 tonnes. I attach photos of it being delivered before we built the end wall of the shed (there's a roller shutter door there now), being positioned by picking up one end at a time with our 5 ton manual gantry crane made in 1938 for a RAF loco depot (!) and a job or 2 in progress. Worn & imprecise, but it works and we can live with it.

Eugene wheels are a small standard gauge Peckett built steam loco that wanted its journals turned, and the Duchess expansion link is off 46233 "Duchess of Sutherland" and wanted its trunnion bearing surfaces cleaning up. I had to take the gap piece out to do that. Boring out a dog end of axle is part of the renovation of my 2' gauge Orenstein & Koppel steam loco after I had discovered that the wheels could not be pressed off because the industrial owner had welded them on as part of building up their rear thrust faces. The new axles were made on here (each weighed about 123kg at start and came off the lathe at about 45kg due to the large thrust collars they incorporate). 4197 is repairing a flywheel to enable us to put a Deutz 4FL914 engine in a 60 HP Simplex loco in place of the original Dorman 3LB.

Cheers,

Eddie

------ Original Message ------ From: "mike allen" <animal@...> To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Sent: Friday, 11 Nov, 22 At 19:07 Subject: [SouthBendLathe] Broadbent Lathe Eddie I just did some reading on those Broadbent lathes . Which model do you have ? They seem to be very well thought out machines . animal

Mike, It isn't in Broadbent's current catalogue! 18" centre height, 10' between centres. 15 HP motor. Speed range from 7 to 235 rpm. Pure guesswork based on the S/N having a final group 1954 is that it was built in that year. Found it on ebay in Solihull an hour's drive away for less than a grand sterling in 2006. The chap driving the 10t crane lorry reckoned it weighs about 8.5 tonnes. I attach photos of it being delivered before we built the end wall of the shed (there's a roller shutter door there now), being positioned by picking up one end at a time with our 5 ton manual gantry crane made in 1938 for a RAF loco depot (!) and a job or 2 in progress. Worn & imprecise, but it works and we can live with it.

Eugene wheels are a small standard gauge Peckett built steam loco that wanted its journals turned, and the Duchess expansion link is off 46233 "Duchess of Sutherland" and wanted its trunnion bearing surfaces cleaning up. I had to take the gap piece out to do that. Boring out a dog end of axle is part of the renovation of my 2' gauge Orenstein & Koppel steam loco after I had discovered that the wheels could not be pressed off because the industrial owner had welded them on as part of building up their rear thrust faces. The new axles were made on here (each weighed about 123kg at start and came off the lathe at about 45kg due to the large thrust collars they incorporate). 4197 is repairing a flywheel to enable us to put a Deutz 4FL914 engine in a 60 HP Simplex loco in place of the original Dorman 3LB.

Cheers,

Eddie

------ Original Message ------ From: "mike allen" <animal@...> To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Sent: Friday, 11 Nov, 22 At 19:07 Subject: [SouthBendLathe] Broadbent Lathe Eddie I just did some reading on those Broadbent lathes . Which model do you have ? They seem to be very well thought out machines . animal

------ Original Message ------
From: "mike allen" <animal@...>
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Sent: Friday, 11 Nov, 22 At 19:07
Subject: [SouthBendLathe] Broadbent Lathe

Eddie I just did some reading on those Broadbent lathes . Which
model do you have ? They seem to be very well thought out machines .

animal