Majic Rust Removal Fluid......
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Jim V
I stumbled across this late this afternoon. Can't believe it took nearly 7 decades of wrenching.
Using this product as it as intended for 50yrs or more. And just FINALLY figured out what a Great Rust remover it is!!! The 'oil' was spilled on the chuck for about 30-45 minutes before I took a small, worn old wire bush to it. Literally bushed for 2-3 minutes with the following results. I'll have to do more testing, but this appears to be the best rust remover I've found to date (that's date as in time, not to go out with). That is of various stuff found in the garage or shop not purchased specifically to Remove Rust. At the risk of being somewhat of an a--hole, i'll ask what you've used with similar results. I'll divulged my secret tomorrow! 
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mike allen
sounds like elbow grease to me animal On 8/3/2022 8:00 PM, Jim V via
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I stumbled across this late this afternoon. Can't believe it took nearly 7 decades of wrenching. |
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Jim V
what are you using??
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:09:20 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
sounds like elbow grease to me animal On 8/3/2022 8:00 PM, Jim V via
groups.io wrote:
I stumbled across this late this afternoon. Can't believe it took
nearly 7 decades of wrenching. Using this product as it as intended for 50yrs or more. And just FINALLY figured out what a Great Rust remover it is!!! The 'oil' was spilled on the chuck for about 30-45 minutes before I took a small, worn old wire bush to it. Literally bushed for 2-3 minutes with the following results. I'll have to do more testing, but this appears to be the best rust remover I've found to date (that's date as in time, not to go out with). That is of various stuff found in the garage or shop not purchased specifically to Remove Rust. At the risk of being somewhat of an a--hole, i'll ask what you've used with similar results. I'll divulged my secret tomorrow! |
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Nick Hayer
Phosphoric acid is the main ingredient in these rust removers I do believe. This is the best price I have found for it ~~$18 gallon Works wonders. It is not snake oil. Stuff is pretty harmless, it is even in Coca-Cola. [Phosphoric acid not the HD stuff!] From: flajimak220@... Sent: 8/3/22 11:59 PM To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Majic Rust Removal Fluid...... what are you using?? On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:09:20 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote: sounds like elbow grease to me animal On 8/3/2022 8:00 PM, Jim V via groups.io wrote: I stumbled across this late this afternoon. Can't believe it took nearly 7 decades of wrenching. Using this product as it as intended for 50yrs or more. And just FINALLY figured out what a Great Rust remover it is!!! The 'oil' was spilled on the chuck for about 30-45 minutes before I took a small, worn old wire bush to it. Literally bushed for 2-3 minutes with the following results. I'll have to do more testing, but this appears to be the best rust remover I've found to date (that's date as in time, not to go out with). That is of various stuff found in the garage or shop not purchased specifically to Remove Rust. At the risk of being somewhat of an a--hole, i'll ask what you've used with similar results. I'll divulged my secret tomorrow! |
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WD-40 works pretty well combined with a wire brush. Phosphoric acid is good, and I've used Coke to remove corrosion, too. Vinegar works OK. It's acetic acid in water. Stronger acids work better/faster, but can damage the metal. I started using acids (hydrochloric/muriatic acid) building racing go-karts for my uncle. Muriatic acid in water, in a sprayer bottle, to remove the rust before sandblasting for paint, back in 1973. No mask or gloves... Wouldn't recommend it be done that way now. :) OSHA was just a pup back then. I really like EvapoRust, but it's pretty expensive. Citric acid in water is almost as good, and somewhat cheaper. Electrolytic rust removal is pretty good, too. Way cheaper than EvapoRust or citric acid. Way safer than the stronger acids. Not as safe for the object as EvapoRust. You can do small parts in a bucket with some washing soda (sodium carbonate) and a battery charger or even a wall wart DC power supply, and a few pieces of scrap sheet steel or steel wire/rebar. Lots of ways to do it. Whichever way you have the means to do without breaking the bank is good! I have tried most of them. I can expound further if anyone is interested, or you can find much of what I've had to say already at the Metal-Shapers or Atlas-Craftsman groups. I've also read that molasses is a good rust remover. Haven't tried that one yet, myself. :) Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 07:05:57 AM CDT, Nick Hayer <nick@...> wrote:
Phosphoric acid is the main ingredient in these rust removers I do believe. This is the best price I have found for it ~~$18 gallon Works wonders. It is not snake oil. Stuff is pretty harmless, it is even in Coca-Cola. [Phosphoric acid not the HD stuff!] From: flajimak220@... Sent: 8/3/22 11:59 PM To: "SouthBendLathe@groups.io" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Majic Rust Removal Fluid...... what are you using?? On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:09:20 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote: sounds like elbow grease to me animal On 8/3/2022 8:00 PM, Jim V via groups.io wrote: I stumbled across this late this afternoon. Can't believe it took nearly 7 decades of wrenching. Using this product as it as intended for 50yrs or more. And just FINALLY figured out what a Great Rust remover it is!!! The 'oil' was spilled on the chuck for about 30-45 minutes before I took a small, worn old wire bush to it. Literally bushed for 2-3 minutes with the following results. I'll have to do more testing, but this appears to be the best rust remover I've found to date (that's date as in time, not to go out with). That is of various stuff found in the garage or shop not purchased specifically to Remove Rust. At the risk of being somewhat of an a--hole, i'll ask what you've used with similar results. I'll divulged my secret tomorrow! |
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The advantage of EvapoRust is that it is re-usable. If you get the bucket it has a tray to put the parts in. Just soak and lift out to drain the liquid off back into the bucket. Rick
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2022 10:37 AM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Majic Rust Removal Fluid......
WD-40 works pretty well combined with a wire brush. Phosphoric acid is good, and I've used Coke to remove corrosion, too. Vinegar works OK. It's acetic acid in water. Stronger acids work better/faster, but can damage the metal. I started using acids (hydrochloric/muriatic acid) building racing go-karts for my uncle. Muriatic acid in water, in a sprayer bottle, to remove the rust before sandblasting for paint, back in 1973. No mask or gloves...
Wouldn't recommend it be done that way now. :) OSHA was just a pup back then. I really like EvapoRust, but it's pretty expensive. Citric acid in water is almost as good, and somewhat cheaper. Electrolytic rust removal is pretty good, too. Way cheaper than EvapoRust or citric acid. Way safer than the stronger acids. Not as safe for the object as EvapoRust. You can do small parts in a bucket with some washing soda (sodium carbonate) and a battery charger or even a wall wart DC power supply, and a few pieces of scrap sheet steel or steel wire/rebar.
Lots of ways to do it. Whichever way you have the means to do without breaking the bank is good!
I have tried most of them. I can expound further if anyone is interested, or you can find much of what I've had to say already at the Metal-Shapers or Atlas-Craftsman groups.
I've also read that molasses is a good rust remover. Haven't tried that one yet, myself. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. SEMPER GUMBY! Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 07:05:57 AM CDT, Nick Hayer <nick@...> wrote:
Phosphoric acid is the main ingredient in these rust removers I do believe. This is the best price I have found for it ~~$18 gallon Works wonders. It is not snake oil. Stuff is pretty harmless, it is even in Coca-Cola. [Phosphoric acid not the HD stuff!]
From: flajimak220@...
what are you using??
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:09:20 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
sounds like elbow grease to me animal On 8/3/2022 8:00 PM, Jim V via groups.io wrote: I stumbled across this late this afternoon. Can't believe it took nearly 7 decades of wrenching.
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Jim V
OK guy, I'm a NOVICE with most of this stuff! THANKS For Your Replys!! googling has shown me somethings you have mentioned. the 'find' yesterday was Liquid Wrench Penetrant!!! My Best thus far. I found the also make a Rust Remover! I'm about to watch this & see what I can learn (some of you are already there)....... Rust Remover Showdown. Will Evapo-Rust prevail? - YouTube
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:24:55 AM CDT, Rick Swineford <terrapinsystems@...> wrote:
The advantage of EvapoRust is that it is re-usable. If you get the bucket it has a tray to put the parts in. Just soak and lift out to drain the liquid off back into the bucket. Rick
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2022 10:37 AM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Majic Rust Removal Fluid......
WD-40 works pretty well combined with a wire brush. Phosphoric acid is good, and I've used Coke to remove corrosion, too. Vinegar works OK. It's acetic acid in water. Stronger acids work better/faster, but can damage the metal. I started using acids (hydrochloric/muriatic acid) building racing go-karts for my uncle. Muriatic acid in water, in a sprayer bottle, to remove the rust before sandblasting for paint, back in 1973. No mask or gloves...
Wouldn't recommend it be done that way now. :) OSHA was just a pup back then. I really like EvapoRust, but it's pretty expensive. Citric acid in water is almost as good, and somewhat cheaper. Electrolytic rust removal is pretty good, too. Way cheaper than EvapoRust or citric acid. Way safer than the stronger acids. Not as safe for the object as EvapoRust. You can do small parts in a bucket with some washing soda (sodium carbonate) and a battery charger or even a wall wart DC power supply, and a few pieces of scrap sheet steel or steel wire/rebar.
Lots of ways to do it. Whichever way you have the means to do without breaking the bank is good!
I have tried most of them. I can expound further if anyone is interested, or you can find much of what I've had to say already at the Metal-Shapers or Atlas-Craftsman groups.
I've also read that molasses is a good rust remover. Haven't tried that one yet, myself. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. SEMPER GUMBY! Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 07:05:57 AM CDT, Nick Hayer <nick@...> wrote:
Phosphoric acid is the main ingredient in these rust removers I do believe. This is the best price I have found for it ~~$18 gallon Works wonders. It is not snake oil. Stuff is pretty harmless, it is even in Coca-Cola. [Phosphoric acid not the HD stuff!]
From: flajimak220@...
what are you using??
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:09:20 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
sounds like elbow grease to me animal On 8/3/2022 8:00 PM, Jim V via groups.io wrote: I stumbled across this late this afternoon. Can't believe it took nearly 7 decades of wrenching.
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Depends on which bucket, or when you bought it, apparently. I bought a 5-gallon bucket from Amazon.com several years ago, no basket in mine. YMMV, of course. It is great stuff. Won't damage dissimilar metals, wood, or plastic parts, to the good, but won't work at all unless the part or assembly has been cleaned and degreased. In my admittedly limited experience, it won't damage paint, either. That can be positive or negative, depending on what you need.if you let EvapoRust dry on the part it prevents further rust, too. Electrolytic rust removal will remove rust, grease, paint, and dissimilar metals. It's not good for wood, and if you hook up the polarity wrong, it will destroy your part, so not as safe as EvapoRust, either. The sodium carbonate is a mild caustic, so you should use gloves. Don't need them with EvapoRust. Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:24:56 AM CDT, Rick Swineford <terrapinsystems@...> wrote:
The advantage of EvapoRust is that it is re-usable. If you get the bucket it has a tray to put the parts in. Just soak and lift out to drain the liquid off back into the bucket. Rick
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2022 10:37 AM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Majic Rust Removal Fluid......
WD-40 works pretty well combined with a wire brush. Phosphoric acid is good, and I've used Coke to remove corrosion, too. Vinegar works OK. It's acetic acid in water. Stronger acids work better/faster, but can damage the metal. I started using acids (hydrochloric/muriatic acid) building racing go-karts for my uncle. Muriatic acid in water, in a sprayer bottle, to remove the rust before sandblasting for paint, back in 1973. No mask or gloves...
Wouldn't recommend it be done that way now. :) OSHA was just a pup back then. I really like EvapoRust, but it's pretty expensive. Citric acid in water is almost as good, and somewhat cheaper. Electrolytic rust removal is pretty good, too. Way cheaper than EvapoRust or citric acid. Way safer than the stronger acids. Not as safe for the object as EvapoRust. You can do small parts in a bucket with some washing soda (sodium carbonate) and a battery charger or even a wall wart DC power supply, and a few pieces of scrap sheet steel or steel wire/rebar.
Lots of ways to do it. Whichever way you have the means to do without breaking the bank is good!
I have tried most of them. I can expound further if anyone is interested, or you can find much of what I've had to say already at the Metal-Shapers or Atlas-Craftsman groups.
I've also read that molasses is a good rust remover. Haven't tried that one yet, myself. :)
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. SEMPER GUMBY! Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 07:05:57 AM CDT, Nick Hayer <nick@...> wrote:
Phosphoric acid is the main ingredient in these rust removers I do believe. This is the best price I have found for it ~~$18 gallon Works wonders. It is not snake oil. Stuff is pretty harmless, it is even in Coca-Cola. [Phosphoric acid not the HD stuff!]
From: flajimak220@...
what are you using??
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:09:20 PM CDT, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
sounds like elbow grease to me animal On 8/3/2022 8:00 PM, Jim V via groups.io wrote: I stumbled across this late this afternoon. Can't believe it took nearly 7 decades of wrenching.
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My go-to is "Evapo-Rust" - pretty cheap, safe to use, and although the results may not be quite as shiny as whatever you used, they're pretty good, and the effort is nearly zero. I keep a plastic "project box" full of the stuff, and just toss rusty things into it. The next day, I fish them out, rinse and dry, and they're in pretty good shape.
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Jim V
Well, it turns out I'm full of BS! My 'magic fluid' was on magic on the chuck!! I tried some on a trailer I rebuilding & the LW had very little effect on heavier old rust. must've got lucy on the chuck! Seems like the Good Stuf is either Evap-o-Rust or Crud Cutter unless ya wanno get wild & use acid THANKS For Your Input!!
On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:00:06 PM CDT, Jim V via groups.io <flajimak220@...> wrote:
I stumbled across this late this afternoon. Can't believe it took nearly 7 decades of wrenching. Using this product as it as intended for 50yrs or more. And just FINALLY figured out what a Great Rust remover it is!!! The 'oil' was spilled on the chuck for about 30-45 minutes before I took a small, worn old wire bush to it. Literally bushed for 2-3 minutes with the following results. I'll have to do more testing, but this appears to be the best rust remover I've found to date (that's date as in time, not to go out with). That is of various stuff found in the garage or shop not purchased specifically to Remove Rust. At the risk of being somewhat of an a--hole, i'll ask what you've used with similar results. I'll divulged my secret tomorrow! |
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Mike Poore
This topic seems to come up once every month or two. I think we need
a sticky thread to cover all of the popular methods. A wire wheel
does 90% of my rust removal, a 3" fiber disc does most of the rest.
I will use acid on the rare occasion when the prior two are either
inadequate or I am bored with the wire wheel method. I prefer the
wire wheel because it is fast, cheap, and leaves the metal clean of
rust without removing all of the patina. Cleaning the black goop off
after using Evap-o-rust takes just as long as using the wire wheel
in the first place.
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Dennis LaMonica
EvapoRust is also my go to rust remover. They also make a gel but I have not tried that yet.
I found that the phosphoric acid stuff doesn't remove all of the rust but seem to chemically change it and bond out to the surface. And it is caustic like all things depending on the concentration. Come has very little PA in it. Not so with the rust removers. BTW Mr Pete did a good series on testing many rust removers. Now to the point: I also have used oxalic acid on some wood shaper cutters and they came out nice but they had a slightly sandblasted finish. Maybe I left them in to long. It is a white power dissolved in water. Beekeepers use it to control varroa mites, it is used as a wood bleach, and at one time and maybe now as a disinfectant. Wear gloves. The stuff is CHEEP. Any one else tried oxalic acid dihydrate? Dennis via Moto Z3 -- Dennis western NY, USA |
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I've used it to bleach leather back when I was doing leatherworking. That was while I was still in high school, so been a while. ;) Ran into it again in my last job, working maintenance in an industrial laundry. You really should have good PPE when you use it. Bill in OKC William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. SEMPER GUMBY! Physics doesn't care about your schedule. The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better
On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 09:09:55 AM CDT, Dennis LaMonica <dennislamonica@...> wrote:
EvapoRust is also my go to rust remover. They also make a gel but I have not tried that yet.
I found that the phosphoric acid stuff doesn't remove all of the rust but seem to chemically change it and bond out to the surface. And it is caustic like all things depending on the concentration. Come has very little PA in it. Not so with the rust removers. BTW Mr Pete did a good series on testing many rust removers. Now to the point: I also have used oxalic acid on some wood shaper cutters and they came out nice but they had a slightly sandblasted finish. Maybe I left them in to long. It is a white power dissolved in water. Beekeepers use it to control varroa mites, it is used as a wood bleach, and at one time and maybe now as a disinfectant. Wear gloves. The stuff is CHEEP. Any one else tried oxalic acid dihydrate? Dennis via Moto Z3 -- Dennis western NY, USA |
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wlw19958
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On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 07:09 AM, Dennis LaMonica wrote: Any one else tried oxalic acid dihydrate?I have. A long time ago, when I was into restoring my old Corvette, I met a man at a car parts flea market. He had bumper brackets and other chassis parts for sale. The had no rust on them and their appearance was a soft grey. I asked him if the parts were bead blasted. He said "No. I use Oxalic Acid. I let it dry on the parts and it leaves a protective surface." I continued to question him and he reassured me that it didn't harm the underlying metal. And he then said that he was a Chemistry Teacher as proof that he knew what he was saying. Good Luck! -Blue Chips- Webb |
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