Weekend tractor restore project
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Phillip Rankin
I’m in the process of restoring an old Massey Ferguson 35 Tractor (Circa 1960). During the tear down I broke the bolt (5/8”-18) that held the pivot pin for the front axle in place. I got the threaded hole cleaned out, but the threads were pretty rusty. I didn’t have a tap to chase the threads with, so I purchased a reconditioned one on eBay for $4.00. Figured I couldn’t lose at that that price. The tap turned out to be a very nice, and sharp Greenfield plug tap. Can’t complain about that.
I cleaned the bolt up a bit more, and give the bolt a cold blue treatment. Time to drive the pivot pin into place. It’s a two man operation, so I enlisted the help of my 15 year old. I let him swing the hammer since the impact doesn’t always agree with my carpal tunnel problems.
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Steve Yasgur
Good work, Phil! Having the 6-jaw was a big help, I bet!
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Yaz
On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Phillip Rankin <phillip.rankin1964@...> wrote:
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Phillip Rankin
I'm happy with the six jaw chuck. If I need a 3 jaw chuck I can drop three jaws out, and I'm good to go.
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Steve Yasgur
👍🏻
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On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Phillip Rankin <phillip.rankin1964@...> wrote:
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Nfwood
Phil and Son,
Great pctures and testimony about your father/son cooperation. Sounds like you have him on the right track for future success, regardless of his career path--he will probably remember this incident and tell this story to his children!
I am jealous.
Nelson W
-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Rankin <phillip.rankin1964@...> To: SouthBendLathe <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Sent: Fri, Mar 27, 2020 11:18 am Subject: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project I’m in the process of restoring an old Massey Ferguson 35 Tractor (Circa 1960). During the tear down I broke the bolt (5/8”-18) that held the pivot pin for the front axle in place. I got the threaded hole cleaned out, but the threads were pretty rusty. I didn’t have a tap to chase the threads with, so I purchased a reconditioned one on eBay for $4.00. Figured I couldn’t lose at that that price. The tap turned out to be a very nice, and sharp Greenfield plug tap. Can’t complain about that.
When it came time for reassembly I dug around in my “this might be useful one day” scrap, and came across a piece of one inch hex long enough to make the needed replacement bolt. I started off by using the tap to make a thread gauge out of another piece of scrap, and then proceeded to make the needed bolt. The threading gods must have been with me on this one. When I made my first test fit with the gauge I had the fit I was looking for (light drag, no wobble). I’ll probably never get that lucky again. Parted it off, turned it around, and dressed the hex. I cleaned the bolt up a bit more, and give the bolt a cold blue treatment. Time to drive the pivot pin into place. It’s a two man operation, so I enlisted the help of my 15 year old. I let him swing the hammer since the impact doesn’t always agree with my carpal tunnel problems. Since I hadn’t planned on using a lock washer under the bolt head I cut the shoulder to be a snug fit, and applied Locktite 242 to the threads on assembly. My son is a little heavy handed, and not a very good aim with a 4lb hammer as per the hammer marks left on the flange, but it was a good learning experience for him, and the help was much appreciated. The front axle pivot is now ready for another 60 years of use. Job complete.
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Good job! I find eBay is a good place to go for taps. I got a new Nachi 7/8" - 14 NF tap for a Farmall I was working on. Made in Japan. Cost $15. It did a lot of thread chasing and new tapping. Al
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Rankin
I’m in the process of restoring an old Massey Ferguson 35 Tractor (Circa 1960). During the tear down I broke the bolt (5/8”-18) that held the pivot pin for the front axle in place. I got the threaded hole cleaned out, but the threads were pretty rusty. I didn’t have a tap to chase the threads with, so I purchased a reconditioned one on eBay for $4.00. Figured I couldn’t lose at that that price. The tap turned out to be a very nice, and sharp Greenfield
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Phillip Rankin
Thanks Nelson. My son is more of a computer geek, but doesn't mind getting his hands dirty. He is always willing to give me a hand whenever I ask.
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Boris Gaspar
Great pictures, Phil and a worthwhile project for sure. Thanks for sharing it with us. Boris
On Sat, 28 Mar. 2020, 02:18 Phillip Rankin, <phillip.rankin1964@...> wrote:
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nzpropnut
Go for it Phillip!
I bought this one as a heap of rust in 1997. Took me 3 years to restore it, I used it around the 2.5 acre estate for the next 18 years, then sold it for twice the price.
A lot of fun, very useful, and in many ways, sorry I had to sell it to down-size to a little retirement-sized home.
It was a September 1960 'Super de Luxe' with the 2-stage clutch.
Cheers, Tony S.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Yasgur
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 4:26 AM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
Good work, Phil! Having the 6-jaw was a big help, I bet!
Yaz On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Phillip Rankin <phillip.rankin1964@...> wrote:
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Phillip Rankin
Tony;
That is a great looking Super de Lux. Was it a gas burner or diesel? I hope to have mine looking that good by next spring. It has been sitting untouched in the garage for ten years. I was shooting for this summer until I hit a snag. When I drained the gear box I got about 4 gallons of water, and maybe a gallon of oil. Surprisingly all the bearings and gears in the transmission section are good, but from the hydraulic pump back will have to be replaced along with the ring and pinion gears. Pinion gear is destroyed. The hydraulic pump will have to be rebuilt as well. Phillip
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Looks like its time to hit the junk yards. Had to do that for a Farmall. I just swapped to whole back half out.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Rankin
Tony;
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mike allen
don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca called Associated Tractor https://www.associatedtractor.net/ I've been using these folks for 30+ years animal
On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:
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Phillip Rankin
Mick;
Thanks for the tip on associated tractor. I'll keep them in mind. I think I'm going to use all new parts. Most of the needed bearing are not that expensive. I can get the Hydraulic pump rebuild kit for $100 +/-, so that leaves me with finding the ring, & pinion gear set. That set is not cheap. Best price I have found so far is $290 plus shipping. I'll keep shopping for a while, and see if I can find a better price.
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mike allen
give Steiner tractor a look Steinertractor dot
com they have new stuff animal
On 3/28/2020 2:09 PM, Phillip Rankin
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Mick;
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nzpropnut
Hi Phillip,
That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered. First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner. With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!
Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show! Useless Information.
Cheers, Tony
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:04 AM To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca called Associated Tractor https://www.associatedtractor.net/ I've been using these folks for 30+ years animal On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:
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Gissaclue! Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please? During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high. Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares. Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality. Eddie
On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:
Hi Phillip,
That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered. First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner. With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!
Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show! Useless Information.
Cheers, Tony
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of mike allen
don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca called Associated Tractor https://www.associatedtractor.net/ I've been using these folks for 30+ years animal On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:
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nzpropnut
To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch. At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- From: "eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io" <eddie.draper@...> Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00) To: southbendlathe@groups.io, SouthBendLathe@groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project Gissaclue! Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please? During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high. Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares. Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality. Eddie
On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:
Hi Phillip,
That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered. First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner. With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!
Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show! Useless Information.
Cheers, Tony
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of mike allen
don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca called Associated Tractor https://www.associatedtractor.net/ I've been using these folks for 30+ years animal On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:
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Ahha! Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then! Dangerous business, farming. Thanks, Eddie
On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:
To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch. At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: "eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io" <eddie.draper@...> Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00) To: southbendlathe@groups.io, SouthBendLathe@groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project Gissaclue! Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please? During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high. Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares. Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality. Eddie
On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:
Hi Phillip,
That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered. First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner. With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!
Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show! Useless Information.
Cheers, Tony
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of mike allen
don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca called Associated Tractor https://www.associatedtractor.net/ I've been using these folks for 30+ years animal On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:
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Yes. It was a good little history lesson. It’s nice to know why something was installed which is in common use today Al
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:34 AM To: southbendlathe@groups.io; SouthBendLathe@groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
Ahha! Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then!
Dangerous business, farming.
Thanks,
Eddie
On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:
To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch. At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00) Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
Gissaclue! Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please?
During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high. Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares. Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality.
Eddie
On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:
Hi Phillip,
That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered. First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner. With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!
Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show! Useless Information.
Cheers, Tony
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of mike allen
don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca called Associated Tractor https://www.associatedtractor.net/ I've been using these folks for 30+ years animal On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:
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Andrei
I left the tractor in gear once and started it. It ran into my pickup truck which had the passenger door open and pushed it flat against the front fender. Bought a new truck a few months later.
Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io <eddie.draper@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:34:12 AM To: southbendlathe@groups.io <southbendlathe@groups.io>; SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project Ahha! Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then!
Dangerous business, farming.
Thanks,
Eddie
On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:
To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch.
At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way
quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------
From: "eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io" <eddie.draper@...>
Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00)
To: southbendlathe@groups.io, SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
Gissaclue! Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please?
During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high. Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares. Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality.
Eddie
On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:
Hi Phillip,
That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered. First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner. With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!
Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show! Useless Information.
Cheers, Tony
From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io]
On Behalf Of mike allen
don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca called Associated Tractor https://www.associatedtractor.net/ I've been using these folks for 30+ years animal On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:
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