What collets, please


eddie.draper@btinternet.com
 

Dear all,

Thinking of investing in a few more collets for our 1943 14and1/2" x 6' S/B toolroom lathe, and not sure what size / type fits.  I suspect it is 5C, since the FAQ states that the 13" & 16" take these (as well as heavy 10).  Can anyone advise / confirm, please?  I can post some critical dimensions if these are listed for me to measure.

Sensibly (i.e. low!) priced sources in the UK, anyone?  More interested in imperial (W/W, not A/F) and metric hexaons than circles at present.

Thanks,

Eddie



Paolo Amedeo
 

Eddie,
Could you measure the through-hole of the spindle? If it's in the range of 1.375-1.4in it will take 5C collets. If smaller, you're probably better off making an adapter for ER collets.

Paolo
Damascus, MD


On 9/18/2017 10:07 AM, eddie.draper@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:
 

Dear all,

Thinking of investing in a few more collets for our 1943 14and1/2" x 6' S/B toolroom lathe, and not sure what size / type fits.  I suspect it is 5C, since the FAQ states that the 13" & 16" take these (as well as heavy 10).  Can anyone advise / confirm, please?  I can post some critical dimensions if these are listed for me to measure.

Sensibly (i.e. low!) priced sources in the UK, anyone?  More interested in imperial (W/W, not A/F) and metric hexaons than circles at present.

Thanks,

Eddie




Jim_B
 

As Paolo noted its best to measure the through hole.

Some SB’s did have a small bore and did not take 5C’

Also if your spindle thread is the 2-1/4X8 its most likely a

5C

 

 

Jim B.

 

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Dear all,

Thinking of investing in a few more collets for our 1943 14and1/2" x 6' S/B toolroom lathe, and not sure what size / type fits.  I suspect it is 5C, since the FAQ states that the 13" & 16" take these (as well as heavy 10).  Can anyone advise / confirm, please?  I can post some critical dimensions if these are listed for me to measure.

Sensibly (i.e. low!) priced sources in the UK, anyone?  More interested in imperial (W/W, not A/F) and metric hexaons than circles at present.

Thanks,

Eddie

 


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eddie.draper@btinternet.com
 

Thanks Jim & Paolo.  I'll get on the case on Wednesday when next at the railway.

Eddie



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As Paolo noted its best to measure the through hole.
Some SB’s did have a small bore and did not take 5C’
Also if your spindle thread is the 2-1/4X8 its most likely a
5C
 
 
Jim B.
 
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Dear all,

Thinking of investing in a few more collets for our 1943 14and1/2" x 6' S/B toolroom lathe, and not sure what size / type fits.  I suspect it is 5C, since the FAQ states that the 13" & 16" take these (as well as heavy 10).  Can anyone advise / confirm, please?  I can post some critical dimensions if these are listed for me to measure.

Sensibly (i.e. low!) priced sources in the UK, anyone?  More interested in imperial (W/W, not A/F) and metric hexaons than circles at present.

Thanks,

Eddie
 

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Ted
 

Here's some info that might help. Hope you're luckier than I, because my 15" uses 4C collets and they are rare. Luckily, I have a full set that came with my lathe.

Ted


eddie.draper@btinternet.com
 

Starting to get a bad feeling!  I took one to the Model Engineer Exhibition at Alexandra Palace last winter, and one of the traders there said he thought it looked a bit 4-ish.

I'll have acces to the lathe tomorrow and do some measuring.

Incidentally, since my initial post on this topic, I have found the data that Ted attached in the files section, but thanks all the same.

Eddie



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Here's some info that might help. Hope you're luckier than I, because my 15" uses 4C collets and they are rare. Luckily, I have a full set that came with my lathe.

Ted



d6crawler
 

I have 5Rs on one of my lathes. I can't even find a reference to them anywhere let along a 5R collet. I am stuck with what I have which fortunately is a reasonable set.


On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 01:26:25PM +0000, Edward Draper eddie.draper@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:
Starting to get a bad feeling!  I took one to the Model Engineer Exhibition at Alexandra Palace last winter, and one of the traders there said he thought it looked a bit 4-ish.
I'll have acces to the lathe tomorrow and do some measuring.
Incidentally, since my initial post on this topic, I have found the data that Ted attached in the files section, but thanks all the same.
Eddie


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  Here's some info that might help. Hope you're luckier than I, because my 15" uses 4C collets and they are rare. Luckily, I have a full set that came with my lathe.
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Gregg Eshelman
 

That is a tough one because all the search sites insist the searcher is an idiot, you MUST really mean 5C, so here's all the stuff on 5C collets when you've entered 5R collet.


On Wednesday, September 20, 2017, 11:53:25 AM MDT, d6 crawler d6crawler@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:


I have 5Rs on one of my lathes. I can't even find a reference to them anywhere let along a 5R collet. I am stuck with what I have which fortunately is a reasonable set.


Paolo Amedeo
 

By enclosing "5R" in quotes, I've managed to get at least one relevant result: https://www.shophardinge.com/product.aspx?partNo=41630000000000

It looks like a screw-machine type of collet. I have seen after-market collet chucks to be mounted on the spindle nose and having a lever for opening and closing the collets but, if I remember correctly, used double-angle collets.

It would be interesting to see a couple of pictures of your collet setup.

Paolo
Damascus, MD


On 09/20/2017 06:58 PM, Gregg Eshelman g_alan_e@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:
 
That is a tough one because all the search sites insist the searcher is an idiot, you MUST really mean 5C, so here's all the stuff on 5C collets when you've entered 5R collet.


On Wednesday, September 20, 2017, 11:53:25 AM MDT, d6 crawler d6crawler@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:


I have 5Rs on one of my lathes. I can't even find a reference to them anywhere let along a 5R collet. I am stuck with what I have which fortunately is a reasonable set.


ww_big_al
 

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That is a tough one because all the search sites insist the searcher is an idiot, you MUST really mean 5C, so here's all the stuff on 5C collets when you've entered 5R collet.

 

 

On Wednesday, September 20, 2017, 11:53:25 AM MDT, d6 crawler d6crawler@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

 

 

I have 5Rs on one of my lathes. I can't even find a reference to them anywhere let along a 5R collet. I am stuck with what I have which fortunately is a reasonable set.


Posted by: Gregg Eshelman <g_alan_e@...>



d6crawler
 

Hehe - I'm in DC so you are not that far away and I drive by tuckahoe on a regular basis - you could see them first hand :)

These collets close by being pushed into the nose rather than being pulled into the spindle or a holder. Now if I could figure out how to post into the files section... Might have to check that out.

Daniel

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 09:32:42PM -0400, Paolo Amedeo machineshop@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:
By enclosing "5R" in quotes, I've managed to get at least one relevant
result: https://www.shophardinge.com/product.aspx?partNo=41630000000000

It looks like a screw-machine type of collet. I have seen after-market
collet chucks to be mounted on the spindle nose and having a lever for
opening and closing the collets but, if I remember correctly, used
double-angle collets.

It would be interesting to see a couple of pictures of your collet setup.

Paolo
Damascus, MD


On 09/20/2017 06:58 PM, Gregg Eshelman g_alan_e@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]
wrote:
That is a tough one because all the search sites insist the searcher is an
idiot, you MUST really mean 5C, so here's all the stuff on 5C collets when
you've entered 5R collet.


On Wednesday, September 20, 2017, 11:53:25 AM MDT, d6 crawler
d6crawler@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...>
wrote:


I have 5Rs on one of my lathes. I can't even find a reference to them
anywhere let along a 5R collet. I am stuck with what I have which
fortunately is a reasonable set.
.


d6crawler
 

Yep. Mine are not exactly like that but those are the beasties. I looked all through the hardinge site and did not even find that in their collet spreadsheet.

Looks like they are out of stock and call for price does not sound cheap... I do want some square collets. I think I have one maybe 1/2"

Thanks!
Daniel

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 09:39:00PM -0400, 'Al Knack' arknack@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:
Are they 5R Rivett?

https://www.shophardinge.com/product.aspx?partNo=41630000000000



Al



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That is a tough one because all the search sites insist the searcher is an idiot, you MUST really mean 5C, so here's all the stuff on 5C collets when you've entered 5R collet.





On Wednesday, September 20, 2017, 11:53:25 AM MDT, d6 crawler d6crawler@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:





I have 5Rs on one of my lathes. I can't even find a reference to them anywhere let along a 5R collet. I am stuck with what I have which fortunately is a reasonable set.



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d6crawler
 

$413 each per the sales person.


On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 09:39:00PM -0400, 'Al Knack' arknack@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:
Are they 5R Rivett?

https://www.shophardinge.com/product.aspx?partNo=41630000000000



Al



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That is a tough one because all the search sites insist the searcher is an idiot, you MUST really mean 5C, so here's all the stuff on 5C collets when you've entered 5R collet.





On Wednesday, September 20, 2017, 11:53:25 AM MDT, d6 crawler d6crawler@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:





I have 5Rs on one of my lathes. I can't even find a reference to them anywhere let along a 5R collet. I am stuck with what I have which fortunately is a reasonable set.



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Posted by: Gregg Eshelman <g_alan_e@...>

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houdini
 

thought this might be of interest.






From: "d6 crawler d6crawler@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]"
To: "'Al Knack' arknack@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]"
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] What collets, please

 
$413 each per the sales person.

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ww_big_al
 

I’d buy another lathe before paying those prices.

 

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$413 each per the sales person.



Nelson Collar
 

Al
If you are serious about collets, go with a ER 40 or ER 50. Make the collets holder on your lathe as accurately as your machine will hold. 

On Friday, September 22, 2017, 9:24:35 PM EDT, 'Al Knack' arknack@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:


 

I’d buy another lathe before paying those prices.

 

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$413 each per the sales person.



ww_big_al
 

Actually Nelson, That is on my to do list. I want to make a ER40 collet holder for my 16” and would like to have one for my SB9”. The SB already have 3C collets so I’m in no rush for h one.

Just have too many projects to do. L

Al

 

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Al

If you are serious about collets, go with a ER 40 or ER 50. Make the collets holder on your lathe as accurately as your machine will hold. 

 

On Friday, September 22, 2017, 9:24:35 PM EDT, 'Al Knack' arknack@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I’d buy another lathe before paying those prices.

 

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$413 each per the sales person.


Andrew Noyes
 

I haven't tried making collets, but Frank Ford did.




Jim_B
 

I made ER-40 chucks for my 9" Workshop, my heavy 10, and the index head on my Burke Mill. 
How-to's are in the files section. 
I think I used them about 5 times since I had 3C, 3AT, and 6K collets for the 9" and 5C for the 10L. 
In your case I would suggest you look at a 5C collet chuck from MLA http://www.statecollegecentral.com/metallathe/MLA21.html

You can then get square and hex collets also. 
I use square and hex much more than the ER-40's. 

Jim B,

On Sep 22, 2017, at 10:28 PM, 'Al Knack' arknack@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

 

Actually Nelson, That is on my to do list. I want to make a ER40 collet holder for my 16” and would like to have one for my SB9”. The SB already have 3C collets so I’m in no rush for h one.

Just have too many projects to do. L

Al

 



Nelson Collar
 

Al
I did not exactly understand the quote: I’m in no rush for h one. 
We all have a bucket list and that is what keep a lot of us alive. The only thing I hate is, who will have it all when it not mine anymore?  And will they have the same respect and care as it gets now or will it become another Chinabuilt? I do like the idea I have a South Bend but the price is a crazy thing these days. I just saw a Colchester lathe loaded up for $400.

On Friday, September 22, 2017, 10:28:14 PM EDT, 'Al Knack' arknack@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:


 

Actually Nelson, That is on my to do list. I want to make a ER40 collet holder for my 16” and would like to have one for my SB9”. The SB already have 3C collets so I’m in no rush for h one.

Just have too many projects to do. L

Al

 

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Al

If you are serious about collets, go with a ER 40 or ER 50. Make the collets holder on your lathe as accurately as your machine will hold. 

 

On Friday, September 22, 2017, 9:24:35 PM EDT, 'Al Knack' arknack@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

 

 

 

I’d buy another lathe before paying those prices.

 

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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 3:19 PM
To: 'Al Knack' arknack@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] What collets, please

 

 

$413 each per the sales person.