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Steve Wells
Cal, Denny
Here are some December 1935 shots of the new "improved" 1936
Workshop
These are from the Workshop Catalog 15-R page 14 and
15.
Denny, end door shots of threading plate...I think you have
one of the lathes they
did the art work from...haha and....the elusive
415RF...the F being Floor Legs.
First time I've seen the F listed.
This is a pretty good catalog...hmmm, glad I won this
one..:))
Steve
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Steve Wells
Ya think I Maybe should attach the
pictures...ha
Steve
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krueger_cal <cal@...>
Denny
What would you say the start and end time frame would be for the 405s and the 415s ? From what I have read, the 405s started C.1934 and 415s ended C.1939 more or less. I have been told by a self proclaimed "expert" that there are no 415s. Cal
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Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
Hi Cal
As near as I can tell by all the early 405 and 415
catalogs as well as the bigger full line catalogs I have I think the 405 started
shipping in mid 34. I believe the 9 inch tool makers 20 series lathe
stared in early 34. My February 1934 full line catalog shows the tool
makers lathe but not the 405. I do have the 405 in individual sales flyers
covering just the 405.
I have a October 1935 full line catalog that shows
again the 20 series 9 inch tool makers lathe but again not the 405. Its in
this catalog that the last few pages are the introduction of the new 1936 415
workshop lathe. I dont know how many full line catalogs SB produced each
year. There may be a full line catalog showing the 405 but I only have the
little sales flyers showing it.
From these SB catalogs and sales flyers I am going
to say that for sure the catalog 20 series tool makers 9 inch was in production
for two full years but I really dont think the 405 was in production more that
maybe 12 to 15 months.
The tool makers lathes price started at $158
and the 405 started at $75 so we can see why the workshop lathe won out over the
tool makers lathe though in the beginning it was a much better
lathe.
Its interesting that the 1931 to 1933 8 Jr. was the
first cast iron bearing head stock that SB built. The tool makers lathe head
stock is identical to the 8 Jr. only just a little bigger and no parts except
the forward reveres shifter will interchange. Owe the change gears on the
8 Jr. and the tool maker are the same but will not fit the 405 or later
415 workshop lathes. The 8 Jr. and the tool makers lathe change
gears are in fact 18 pitch but the bore is 5/8 not 9/16 like all workshop
lathes.
The 20 series tool maker was a cast iron
bearing spindle head stock. It differed in the 405 and 415 workshop lathes
in that it had a removable cap but for all practical intent it was the same
with a keyway and a wick at the top under the oil cup.
Now if you would like to see an odd SB change gear setup take a look at my
1910 10 inch that I just got the end bracket repaired and just came in
from setting up a gear set to cut a 24 pitch thread. The idler required is
a 120 tooth gear. If anyone has a gear this bid with spokes I sure would
like to get my hands on it. The gears are 16 pitch and are 1/2 wide. The
later 9 inch wide bed lathes used the same gears as this 1906 to 1914 ten
inch.
Turk
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Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
Hi Cal
Boy I missed the last sentence. So who the heck is this self proclaimed expert that does not have any catalogs to back up what he is saying. I bet he is saying they are C models right!!!!! If anyone is interested I can list all the changes that tool place between the 405's and the 415's I can also list all the changes that happened between the 415 and the comparable C model 415 that came out in the early 1939 catalog. We do thing that they were shipping some of these by the end of 38 just like SB was shipping 1936 415's in late 35. Turk --- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "krueger_cal" <cal@...> wrote: 405s and the 415s ? From what I have read, the 405s started C.1934 and415s ended C.1939 more or less. I have been told by a self
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Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
Hi Steve
Yes I have these catalogs also. The one of
the end door is the only one that is like the odd ball early 415 I have.
The rest of the images show the standard model like I have on display at my
business.
Turk
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CAL <cal@...>
Thanks for the info. I am sure that it is of
interest to others also.
Expert? Machine shop operator in the area. His
grand father started it around 1900 and It has a lot of SB
equipment.
I was nosing around and saw a lathe like mine.I
asked if he still used it [didn't look like it] or if he wanted to sell "that
415".
It progressed from there and yes it is a early
model C. :>) I see that the shop went bulk sale auction last week. The
stuff might show up on Ebay ?? Heard it was not a local buyer
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CAL <cal@...>
Yeah I believe you beat me out on that one. Any
chance of photo copies of the catalog?
I found the bed date number of my lathe ,
under the head stock. Will send to you when I figure how to read without
stripping the whole thing.
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Steve Wells
Cal, yep, I'll do the whole thing for you...just give me a few days to learn how to
reduce the PDF file...I started it and the page files are huge...It has color in the pages and I was trying to get a really good reproduction of them for printing. It's in the large format, 8.5 x 11. It would take me forever to upload it from home on dial up, so I'll do it from work when done. Maybe another group member can help me out here, cut down my learning curve time with the pdf's. Ha, while you were thinking about bidding, I talked him into a buy-it-now....hehe.. but now you'll get it for free.....:) Steve
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CAL <cal@...>
I know about dial up, BOY DO I! :>( I may
go to my brother in laws to down load LOL
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wolfstarwoodwork
Steve, Great site! I think that I can use some of the documentation to identify most of the tools that came with my dads lathe. I think that he might even have the toolpost grinder too. Great work! Tim Steve Wells wrote:
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Steve Wells
Group Members,
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I finally got my website live, with more storage space, I will be uploading catalogs, bulletins, part lists, you name it, it will be there...and member lathe pictures to help ID lathes and parts. And what ever else you want to see, just ask. I'm concerned about speed over dial up so users report please, I can try to improve the speed. Everyone on this group and the PM group gets a free pass while I build the site. It will remain free to the groups, but I may add user name and password to protect the site from "The Others" :). www.wswells.com Steve CAL wrote:
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CAL <cal@...>
Great job Steve! The slowest thing was the home
page [26k] the rest were faster. The home page was a bit longer than necessary,
had to scroll down to see useless picture. The rest was very tolerable.
certainly faster than some of those Ebay auctions that seem to need big
pictures with lots of useless art work and gifs. I have yet to figure the
mind set of some of those guys. KISS Some of the auctions have so much garbage I
don't even bother.
Like I said , Great job.
Cal
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ChristopherS
Steve, you must be burn'n the midnight oil! That's a lot of data you compiled. Very nice job. Chris Timothy Tucker wrote:
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budscarp
Hi Guy's,
I have a South Bend catalog from 1942 #100B that I scanned at 1200
DPI if anyone is interested in seeing it.
Do you have that one Steve? See what's free at AOL.com.
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eng4turns
Very nice, Steve. I really appreciate your efforts to help preserve
and make available this great information to the rest of us. Ed in Florida --- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, Steve Wells <wswells@...> wrote: parts. And what ever else you want to see, just ask. I'm concerned aboutspeed over dial up so users report please, I can try to improve thespeed. Everyone on this group and the PM group gets a free pass while Ibuild the site. It will remain free to the groups, but I may add user nameand passwordcopies Willof the catalog? whole thing.send to you when I figure how to read without stripping the Workshop one ofThese are from the Workshop Catalog 15-R page 14 and 15. Fthe lathes they one..:))being Floor Legs.
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Steve Wells
Thanks Guys,
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I'll keep working on it, Chris, can I use what's in the group files? is that considered public domain? I know a lot members have trouble finding the files and even I can't download some of it at home with dial up. Cal, try it now and refresh your browser, it should load 4 times faster. I received a care package from Denny, that's going to keep me busy scanning and uploading for "a while"...haha. This is a great collection of catalogs. Steve Ed Godwin wrote:
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CAL <cal@...>
Just tried it Steve, all I can say is a great job
even better. at 26K everything is very user friendly. Certainly much faster than
a lot of other web sites I visit regularly. Thanks again.
Cal
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ChristopherS
Steve, Dave Smith made it quite clear to me that his intentions are to keep his groups & information open to the members. As for the 10K & 10K Pics2 groups: The files & pics are open for copying by the membership, so I'm assuming that Bob Wright is OK with your none profit intentions. I'm sure Bob will (he's very busy building bridges) chime in here. Now lets get to this group... You're going to have to contact the Moderator.. LOL? Chris http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbend10k/?yguid=197128120 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbend10kpics2/?yguid=197128120 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe2/?yguid=197128120 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe3/?yguid=197128120 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe4/?yguid=197128120 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe9/?yguid=197128120 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe9A/?yguid=197128120 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendmanual/?yguid=197128120 http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/loganlathe/?yguid=197128120 Steve Wells wrote:
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Steve Wells
Bud,
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I'll take any scanned information or documents, try to reduce it down to 150 or 300 dpi so the file will not be so huge, I can take the big file and do it for you. I have a T-1 line at work, so big files are not a problem. Steve budscarp@aol.com wrote:
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