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Re: 9" motor start switch

Chips
 
Edited

It's back together and running fine pending the new start cap. As the failure to this motor was from oil I went on a search for the source.  Those of us with a top mounted motor can stop reading now. The feed reverse assembly fits in a stepped bore that is open to the inside of the headstock. Oil from that goes through the bore and straight down onto the undermount motor. The motor fan passes the oil droplets around internally and gunked up the start switch.

To fix this issue I turned a hard rubber plug (hockey puck) to 1.060 and about 1/2" thick with a bevel on one end. Push this press fit plug into the bore with a wood dowel and hammer it into the smaller diameter 1" area of the bore until it provides enough clearance for the reverse shaft to not hit it. This will seal the hole off and any escaping oil will come out the gear end of the headstock.

Re: 1945 SB 16/24 USVA Lathe

Steven H
 

I’d be interested in any tricks to get the compound locking pins to release also. Can’t get my compound off my 16” SB either.

Steve Haskell

On Apr 28, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Matt R <mrissmiller@...> wrote:

Will try to get power to it by next week to see if it runs. Still looking it over to see what needs attention prior to running it. Is there a good source for gears? One  of the gears. A 20 tooth if I recall is badly worn and will likely break of put under any serious load. Also what is the easiest way to get tge lockong pins out from inside the compound and riser blocks? I ttied rockong it around with the keepers out but thr pins wrll not loosen up and come out.

Re: 9" motor start switch

Ruth Busch
 

Not sure of wattage rating or type.  I think I used 1/2 watt.  There is plenty of info out on the net.  The resistor serves to bleed down the charge on the starting capacitor. 

From: "Chips" <sakr4360@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54:01 AM
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] 9" motor start switch

Thanks RB will ebay order one. Carbon or wire wound. 1/8 watt or bigger.
thanks again.

Re: 1945 SB 16/24 USVA Lathe

Matt R
 

Will try to get power to it by next week to see if it runs. Still looking it over to see what needs attention prior to running it. Is there a good source for gears? One  of the gears. A 20 tooth if I recall is badly worn and will likely break of put under any serious load. Also what is the easiest way to get tge lockong pins out from inside the compound and riser blocks? I ttied rockong it around with the keepers out but thr pins wrll not loosen up and come out.
Re: 9" motor start switch

Chips
 

Thanks RB will ebay order one. Carbon or wire wound. 1/8 watt or bigger.
thanks again.
Re: 9" motor start switch

Ruth Busch
 

Do yourself a favor, put a 51K ohm resistor across the starting capacitor if there is not one.  This will extend the life of the switch contacts.

From: "Chips" <sakr4360@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 7:22:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] 9" motor start switch

Cleaning it up it's not as bad as I thought. The blackening is primarily oil and dirt that has been zapped by the contacts for 61 years. My first looks said oh boy, this thing is toast. I hit it with contact cleaner, tooth brush and 600 grit which has spiffed it up pretty well. Then some burnishing with paper and I'm going to put it back in hopefully for another 61 years. I'm feeding it a new start cap for grins.

I think I'm lucky on this one as several sources have said, nope, that one's been obsolete for 30 years. I have a buddy in plant maintenance that deals with motor vendors weekly. He's checking his sources and if he finds one I'll pick it up for a spare.



Re: 9" motor start switch

Jim Croyle
 

Thanks ....


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:22 AM Chips <sakr4360@...> wrote:
Cleaning it up it's not as bad as I thought. The blackening is primarily oil and dirt that has been zapped by the contacts for 61 years. My first looks said oh boy, this thing is toast. I hit it with contact cleaner, tooth brush and 600 grit which has spiffed it up pretty well. Then some burnishing with paper and I'm going to put it back in hopefully for another 61 years. I'm feeding it a new start cap for grins.

I think I'm lucky on this one as several sources have said, nope, that one's been obsolete for 30 years. I have a buddy in plant maintenance that deals with motor vendors weekly. He's checking his sources and if he finds one I'll pick it up for a spare.


Re: 9" motor start switch

Chips
 

Cleaning it up it's not as bad as I thought. The blackening is primarily oil and dirt that has been zapped by the contacts for 61 years. My first looks said oh boy, this thing is toast. I hit it with contact cleaner, tooth brush and 600 grit which has spiffed it up pretty well. Then some burnishing with paper and I'm going to put it back in hopefully for another 61 years. I'm feeding it a new start cap for grins.

I think I'm lucky on this one as several sources have said, nope, that one's been obsolete for 30 years. I have a buddy in plant maintenance that deals with motor vendors weekly. He's checking his sources and if he finds one I'll pick it up for a spare.


Re: Introduction/Information

comstock_friend
 

Well, I could read the chart before up loading to groups.io! Here, try page 23 of edition 55...

http://www.vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=17726

John
Re: Introduction/Information

comstock_friend
 

Speed chart for the V-belt 9" lathes is in HTRAL (at least my 56 edition).

Here is my $25 order card, should be similar to yours

PDF
38987NAR9 Order Card P2-3.pdf

Re: 9" motor start switch

Stephen Bartlett
 

Call it the centrifugal switch, to avoid confusion.

Steve Bartlett


From: Chips

My mistake sorry. It's the start switch within the GE motor.
Re: 9" motor start switch

Ruth Busch
 

Any motor such as this should have a bleed resistor across the start capacitor.  This will extend the life of the centrifical switch contacts.

From: "Chips" <sakr4360@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:19:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] 9" motor start switch

[Edited Message Follows]



My mistake sorry. It's the start switch within the GE motor.

Re: 9" motor start switch

Ruth Busch
 

Most shops do not bother with smaller motors.  If a new switch assembly is available, you have it made.  It is always nice if you can put the original motor back.  I have gotten around a problem like this by making a homemade controller.  This will involve rounding up a few common  parts and a bit of rewiring.

From: "Chips" <sakr4360@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 10:19:53 PM
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] 9" motor start switch

[Edited Message Follows]



My mistake sorry. It's the start switch within the GE motor.

Re: 9" motor start switch

ww_big_al
 

You might try to  get a replacement switch https://capacitorwarehouse.com/t/electric-motor-start-switches Or rebuild the old one.

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chips
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 11:20 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] 9" motor start switch

 

[Edited Message Follows]



My mistake sorry. It's the start switch within the GE motor.

Re: Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

Bill in OKC too
 

Sounds like something that should be reported to Mark Fletcher to me.

Bill in OKC

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butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 10:15:12 PM CDT, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:


Close and lock it I guess. 

 

There were rumours that groups.io was going to allow this sort of thing.  That it would never be as secure as Yahoo which is why a lot of people didn't want to change.

 

John

 

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim_B
Sent: April-26-20 5:48 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

 

Yes i had found the FaithBanini address. 

But when I look for it in “members” there is no such member. 

Some were we have a back door. 

 

I think. 

-8

Jim B,



On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:37 PM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:



Here's the original header sender.

Faith Banini via groups.io faithbanini@...  

 

On the MACHcnc group

Queen Nanu news@...

 

Same with CAD-CAM-DRO-EDM

Queen Nanu news@...

 

Those at least match the root web site although I'm always suspicious of an alias for something as elementary and non-political as metalworking.

 

In either case it's closer to spam since the text in the original message is identical and someone decided to try and increase traffic to their web site.

 

John

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim_B
Sent: April-26-20 5:16 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

 

I do not find this person as a member of the group?

 

So How did She/He post?

Jim B.



On Apr 25, 2020, at 11:58 AM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:

 

This is a bulk mail with lots of advertising on this web site.  The list of items could just as easily been posted as a text message to the group without all the advertising.  This same email has already been posted on a number of other groups word for word.  

 

I'd suggest the group owner either ban or at least moderate this user.

John

 

 


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Re: Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...>
 

My .02c is if you have a chronic problem then sure, change the log in.  But one person who put up one set of posts and is no longer of the forum probably isn’t  worth  changing  a process that has worked quite well for a long time.

Glenn Brooks 


On Apr 26, 2020, at 10:54 PM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:

For my E-Leadscrew group I have the same conditions.  Anyone can join without approval but first post is moderated.  It's worked so far.  It might just be that one user trying to be helpful.  But I think it's inappropriate.

 

With Yahoo we forced a new user to tell us why they wanted to join.  And we've been pretty strict about keeping posts on topic.  That's not to say that discussions must only be about my ELS.  In fact any electronic lead screw discussion is welcome and supported.  But no drifting into political bashing or for that matter member bashing.  Just not tolerated.  As would be a generic link to a web site.

 

And I prefer people use their real name.

 

John Dammeyer

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim_B
Sent: April-26-20 8:52 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

 

At the present time new members can join without any pre-approval. 

They must then have one approved post to have full privileges.  

We can change that. We can require approval to join and increase the number of posts to be approved. 

It’s more work for the moderators. 

-8

Jim B,



On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:15 PM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:



Close and lock it I guess.  

 

There were rumours that groups.io was going to allow this sort of thing.  That it would never be as secure as Yahoo which is why a lot of people didn't want to change.

 

John

 

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim_B
Sent: April-26-20 5:48 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

 

Yes i had found the FaithBanini address. 

But when I look for it in “members” there is no such member. 

Some were we have a back door. 

 

I think. 

-8

Jim B,



On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:37 PM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:



Here's the original header sender.

Faith Banini via groups.io faithbanini@...  

 

On the MACHcnc group

Queen Nanu news@...

 

Same with CAD-CAM-DRO-EDM

Queen Nanu news@...

 

Those at least match the root web site although I'm always suspicious of an alias for something as elementary and non-political as metalworking.

 

In either case it's closer to spam since the text in the original message is identical and someone decided to try and increase traffic to their web site.

 

John

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim_B
Sent: April-26-20 5:16 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

 

I do not find this person as a member of the group?

 

So How did She/He post?

Jim B.



On Apr 25, 2020, at 11:58 AM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:

 

This is a bulk mail with lots of advertising on this web site.  The list of items could just as easily been posted as a text message to the group without all the advertising.  This same email has already been posted on a number of other groups word for word.  

 

I'd suggest the group owner either ban or at least moderate this user.

John

 

 


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Re: Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

John Dammeyer
 

For my E-Leadscrew group I have the same conditions.  Anyone can join without approval but first post is moderated.  It's worked so far.  It might just be that one user trying to be helpful.  But I think it's inappropriate.

 

With Yahoo we forced a new user to tell us why they wanted to join.  And we've been pretty strict about keeping posts on topic.  That's not to say that discussions must only be about my ELS.  In fact any electronic lead screw discussion is welcome and supported.  But no drifting into political bashing or for that matter member bashing.  Just not tolerated.  As would be a generic link to a web site.

 

And I prefer people use their real name.

 

John Dammeyer

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim_B
Sent: April-26-20 8:52 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

 

At the present time new members can join without any pre-approval. 

They must then have one approved post to have full privileges.  

We can change that. We can require approval to join and increase the number of posts to be approved. 

It’s more work for the moderators. 

-8

Jim B,



On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:15 PM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:



Close and lock it I guess.  

 

There were rumours that groups.io was going to allow this sort of thing.  That it would never be as secure as Yahoo which is why a lot of people didn't want to change.

 

John

 

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim_B
Sent: April-26-20 5:48 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

 

Yes i had found the FaithBanini address. 

But when I look for it in “members” there is no such member. 

Some were we have a back door. 

 

I think. 

-8

Jim B,



On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:37 PM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:



Here's the original header sender.

Faith Banini via groups.io faithbanini@...  

 

On the MACHcnc group

Queen Nanu news@...

 

Same with CAD-CAM-DRO-EDM

Queen Nanu news@...

 

Those at least match the root web site although I'm always suspicious of an alias for something as elementary and non-political as metalworking.

 

In either case it's closer to spam since the text in the original message is identical and someone decided to try and increase traffic to their web site.

 

John

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim_B
Sent: April-26-20 5:16 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

 

I do not find this person as a member of the group?

 

So How did She/He post?

Jim B.



On Apr 25, 2020, at 11:58 AM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:

 

This is a bulk mail with lots of advertising on this web site.  The list of items could just as easily been posted as a text message to the group without all the advertising.  This same email has already been posted on a number of other groups word for word.  

 

I'd suggest the group owner either ban or at least moderate this user.

John

 

 


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Re: 9" motor start switch

Nfwood
 

Chips,  Ummm.  Might take it to an electric motor shop for repairs.  Good luck.

Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Chips <sakr4360@...>
To: SouthBendLathe <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Apr 26, 2020 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] 9" motor start switch

[Edited Message Follows]


My mistake sorry. It's the start switch within the GE motor.

Re: 9" motor start switch

Nfwood
 

Chips, Ummmm,  I think I would take it to a motor rebuild shop for repairs.  Good Luck!


-----Original Message-----
From: Chips < c>
To: SouthBendLathe <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Apr 26, 2020 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] 9" motor start switch

[Edited Message Follows]


My mistake sorry. It's the start switch within the GE motor.

Re: Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

Jim_B
 

At the present time new members can join without any pre-approval. 
They must then have one approved post to have full privileges.  
We can change that. We can require approval to join and increase the number of posts to be approved. 
It’s more work for the moderators. 

-8
Jim B,

On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:15 PM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:



Close and lock it I guess. 

 

There were rumours that groups.io was going to allow this sort of thing.  That it would never be as secure as Yahoo which is why a lot of people didn't want to change.

 

John

 

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim_B
Sent: April-26-20 5:48 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

 

Yes i had found the FaithBanini address. 

But when I look for it in “members” there is no such member. 

Some were we have a back door. 

 

I think. 

-8

Jim B,



On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:37 PM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:



Here's the original header sender.

Faith Banini via groups.io faithbanini@...  

 

On the MACHcnc group

Queen Nanu news@...

 

Same with CAD-CAM-DRO-EDM

Queen Nanu news@...

 

Those at least match the root web site although I'm always suspicious of an alias for something as elementary and non-political as metalworking.

 

In either case it's closer to spam since the text in the original message is identical and someone decided to try and increase traffic to their web site.

 

John

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim_B
Sent: April-26-20 5:16 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Things Beginning Milling Machine Users Need To Succeed

 

I do not find this person as a member of the group?

 

So How did She/He post?

Jim B.



On Apr 25, 2020, at 11:58 AM, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:

 

This is a bulk mail with lots of advertising on this web site.  The list of items could just as easily been posted as a text message to the group without all the advertising.  This same email has already been posted on a number of other groups word for word.  

 

I'd suggest the group owner either ban or at least moderate this user.

John

 

 


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